A thought about incest

Hi, for the last few months i was thinking about some incestual fantasies. I knew about incest since long but always thought that it was wrong so never thought to know more about it. For the past few months i read a lot about it and the stories and i came to a conclusion that maybe incest is not wrong. theres nothing wrong between two adults having consensual sex even if they r related. i mean its just sex right? idk maybe im too horny while writing this, lol.

According to me every woman should have kids when they r 18-20 years old. And when their sons are 18 they should take care of all of their mothers needs. the mothers will be 36-38 at the time and that is the time when our horny phase really begins. they can keep you satisfied till for the nex 10 years at least. Im a math teacher so its funny i calculated everything, lol. it does make sense actually. i dont know, i'm just saying. any thoughts?

im glad you are liking the idea more. I would add that a daughter as well, that would lead to more fun for all...

Could you open up your PMs, Vicki?

vickyparker732 said:

Hi, for the last few months i was thinking about some incestual fantasies. I knew about incest since long but always thought that it was wrong so never thought to know more about it. For the past few months i read a lot about it and the stories and i came to a conclusion that maybe incest is not wrong. theres nothing wrong between two adults having consensual sex even if they r related. i mean its just sex right? idk maybe im too horny while writing this, lol.

According to me every woman should have kids when they r 18-20 years old. And when their sons are 18 they should take care of all of their mothers needs. the mothers will be 36-38 at the time and that is the time when our horny phase really begins. they can keep you satisfied till for the nex 10 years at least. Im a math teacher so its funny i calculated everything, lol. it does make sense actually. i dont know, i'm just saying. any thoughts?

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Do you know how to to that to send and receive private messages here on Lit?

BTW, welcome to the site!

Incest between adults that is genuinely consensual and not the result of grooming or manipulation is just sex between consenting adults.

It will certainly redefine the relationship between the people involved, but that doesn't make it inherently wrong. Even if the choice to have sex turns out to be a mistake that damages their relationship, that doesn't mean it should be punished as a crime.

I'm not sure quite how to read the OP, because it seems like maybe they're just playfully indulging fantasy and not being serious. But just in case they're actually seriously talking about a belief that real life incest is okay... no. Don't be fooled by the fact that so many stories in the "taboo" category are presented like vanilla porn or erotica with an incest "twist," incest fantasy largely is non-con fantasy, and real-life incest is abuse that seriously fucks up large numbers of people. Most real-life survivors of incest -- and the bulk of the modern psychiatric profession -- will tell you that incest can never really be "consensual" because there's an inherent power imbalance between a parent and child (or siblings of different ages) that fucks up the ability to render genuine consent.

To be clear, not judging anyone's kinks here -- just as long as you're careful not to go confusing kink fantasy with reality.

vickyparker732 said:

Hi, for the last few months i was thinking about some incestual fantasies. I knew about incest since long but always thought that it was wrong so never thought to know more about it. For the past few months i read a lot about it and the stories and i came to a conclusion that maybe incest is not wrong. theres nothing wrong between two adults having consensual sex even if they r related. i mean its just sex right? idk maybe im too horny while writing this, lol.

According to me every woman should have kids when they r 18-20 years old. And when their sons are 18 they should take care of all of their mothers needs. the mothers will be 36-38 at the time and that is the time when our horny phase really begins. they can keep you satisfied till for the nex 10 years at least. Im a math teacher so its funny i calculated everything, lol. it does make sense actually. i dont know, i'm just saying. any thoughts?

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I agree 100%

CyranoJ said:

I'm not sure quite how to read the OP, because it seems like maybe they're just playfully indulging fantasy and not being serious. But just in case they're actually seriously talking about a belief that real life incest is okay... no. Don't be fooled by the fact that so many stories in the "taboo" category are presented like vanilla porn or erotica with an incest "twist," incest fantasy largely is non-con fantasy, and real-life incest is abuse that seriously fucks up large numbers of people. Most real-life survivors of incest -- and the bulk of the modern psychiatric profession -- will tell you that incest can never really be "consensual" because there's an inherent power imbalance between a parent and child (or siblings of different ages) that fucks up the ability to render genuine consent.

To be clear, not judging anyone's kinks here -- just as long as you're careful not to go confusing kink fantasy with reality.

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You're absolutely right when it comes to incest in reality. So much incest takes the form of an adult abusing a child who is related to them. Then there are parents who spend their child's formative years literally grooming them to become the parent's lover when they come of age. This too is abuse.

However, there are relationships between relatives of similar age that can and do evolve without manipulation or other forms of abuse and mistreatment.

The problem of course is how one knows whether a particular situation is an example of abuse or an example of genuine consent? I tend to presume that situations involving differences of age are abusive until proven otherwise.

CyranoJ said:

I'm not sure quite how to read the OP, because it seems like maybe they're just playfully indulging fantasy and not being serious. But just in case they're actually seriously talking about a belief that real life incest is okay... no. Don't be fooled by the fact that so many stories in the "taboo" category are presented like vanilla porn or erotica with an incest "twist," incest fantasy largely is non-con fantasy, and real-life incest is abuse that seriously fucks up large numbers of people. Most real-life survivors of incest -- and the bulk of the modern psychiatric profession -- will tell you that incest can never really be "consensual" because there's an inherent power imbalance between a parent and child (or siblings of different ages) that fucks up the ability to render genuine consent.

To be clear, not judging anyone's kinks here -- just as long as you're careful not to go confusing kink fantasy with reality.

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its just a fantasy not reality, but i swear its a real urn on for me.

vickyparker732 said:

Hi, for the last few months i was thinking about some incestual fantasies. I knew about incest since long but always thought that it was wrong so never thought to know more about it. For the past few months i read a lot about it and the stories and i came to a conclusion that maybe incest is not wrong. theres nothing wrong between two adults having consensual sex even if they r related. i mean its just sex right? idk maybe im too horny while writing this, lol.

According to me every woman should have kids when they r 18-20 years old. And when their sons are 18 they should take care of all of their mothers needs. the mothers will be 36-38 at the time and that is the time when our horny phase really begins. they can keep you satisfied till for the nex 10 years at least. Im a math teacher so its funny i calculated everything, lol. it does make sense actually. i dont know, i'm just saying. any thoughts?

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Suspicions arise when a "teacher" uses teenage cellphone-speak, poor grammar, and doesn't bother to capitalize.

There is nothing wrong with thinking about it, the problem arises when you do it for real.

I was taught incest was wrong, which makes me think about it often.

Why?

Why do so many folks find incestuous relationship between consenting adults so wrong. Example, there is a father/daughter in our area that are in an incestuous relationship. The father is 62 and and widowed, the daughter is 40 and divorced. They decided to share the fathers house after the mother passed away rather than pay for and maintain two homes. A few weeks after moving in the daughter happened to see her dad looking at porn and stroking himself. Having not had sex since her divorce, she decided to give him a helping hand which led to a helping mouth and then eventually actual sex. What is the problem here? Just two adults taking care of each others sexual needs.

no

No problem whatsoever that is discernible to me.

CindyCD478 said:

Why do so many folks find incestuous relationship between consenting adults so wrong.

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The most basic issues (inherent power imbalances making abusiveness probable, not to mention destabilization of the family unit and the bad idea of "swimming in your own gene pool") would never really go away at any age. It would seem to be leavened a tad if you're talking about family members in middle- and old-age respectively, who you'd expect to be fully-formed personalities and who wouldn't be reproducing... except that I'd seriously question what happened in the past for that to seem like a totally normal course of action for them at that point in their lives. The likelihood of people just sort of deciding to commit incest out of the blue without having been exposed to it at a younger age seems pretty low.

At any rate we all know the bulk of incest fantasy isn't about seventy-year-old dads getting it on with their "old maid" daughters. It's about the exploitation of the young by elder siblings or parents, which basically (in non-fantasy terms) is always abuse and can never realistically be construed as "consensual." This is certainly true even if the exploited partly is technically (usually just "barely") "legal."

AirRichard101 said:

Suspicions arise when a "teacher" uses teenage cellphone-speak, poor grammar, and doesn't bother to capitalize.

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That's what made me suspect this post was just someone role-playing, which I'm relieved to see looks to be the case.

eye_see_me said:

We should challenge so many of these archaic notions imposed on us by extreme religious beliefs and interpretations.

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Actually the "taboo" against real-life incest is pretty solidly supported by modern psychiatry, too. Attributing it all to "extreme religious beliefs" doesn't work.

My twin sister and I have been in an incestuous relationship most of our lives, we are now 60 and live together after both being married and we are perfectly happy with our arrangement .

Assuming both parties are adults and of sound mind (if either of those are not the case, its wrong)... then I look at it from the angle of, is it just the taboo sex they want, or are they actually trying to have a relationship? If its just the taboo sex, but both parties still have their separate lives to live, then carry on. If its a relationship, then it wouldnt necessarily be an "ick" thing, but I'd still question the judgement.

No wonder the education system is fucked.

They're hiring kids as teachers now

AirRichard101 said:

Suspicions arise when a "teacher" uses teenage cellphone-speak, poor grammar, and doesn't bother to capitalize.

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For me, it's only a bi fantasy and never with anyone in my immediate family. No judgement; that's just me.

CyranoJ said:

Actually the "taboo" against real-life incest is pretty solidly supported by modern psychiatry, too. Attributing it all to "extreme religious beliefs" doesn't work.

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Not certain I understand what you mean by the statement "supported by modern psychiatry". The DSM used to list homosexuality as a mental disorder and other things that have since been thrown out. Are you being sarcastic or are you saying incest is a mental disorder?

I really do understand and agree with what you say x in an ideal woman's world we should all be allowed to fantasise about these things and ideals too x I fantasise often and bring myself to massive climax every time but purely fantasy and imagination, a safe place, maximum pleasure, total orgasm but no guilt afterwards as all in my head x x x

SubmissiveMom said:

I really do understand and agree with what you say x in an ideal woman's world we should all be allowed to fantasise about these things and ideals too x I fantasise often and bring myself to massive climax every time but purely fantasy and imagination, a safe place, maximum pleasure, total orgasm but no guilt afterwards as all in my head x x x

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I think that is the best way, as a pure fantasy and in your imagination, I don't see how it is harmful. I love fantasising about it but would likely never do it.

I understand the incest fantasy being such a turn on, althougfh i hasten to add it has never been mine.

My fundamental belief is that consenting adults should be free to pursue their sexual desires irrespective of their family connections.

In realityr, your suggestion that mothers should introduce their adult sons to sex has a major flaw. Even at 18 most males would not be emotionally stable enough to cope with that level of change in the family relationships. It would lead to problems with thie relationship with their father, who no longer has exclusive sexual acess to the mother. and I can imagine heaps more issues.

I think it would be better for Aunts to do this intoduction, rather than mothers.

But as a fantasy... Yes.

eye_see_me said:

Not certain I understand what you mean by the statement "supported by modern psychiatry".

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It means this. The profession in broadest contact with the actual stories of the largest cross-section of survivors is in overwhelming consensus that incest is destructive, non-consensual abuse.

It's not ambiguous in the least, and comparing it to the pathologization of homosexuality in days of yore is, frankly, fucking stupid and irresponsible. That's the basic equivalent of "I don't trust them durned climate scientists, cuz 'science' once thought the Earth was flat." Knowledge advances in every field, but the likelihood of psychiatry ever deciding "our bad, incest is actually totes cool" is about as likely as their declaring rape to be no big deal, and for most of the same reasons. Non-con fantasy of any kind -- and I'm saying this as someone with non-con kinks of my own -- is not on equal footing with the gay rights movement and is never going to be, for good reason.

Again, I am not judging the kink fantasy of incest, so long as the line between fantasy and reality is actually understood (just as with any kind of fantasy about non-con subject matter). But the need some people apparently have to believe it's a vanilla kink about straightforward romance is disturbing, because that just isn't the case.

The population of people under psychiatric care is not the same as the general population.

Psychiatrists, when they are not dealing with people who are genetically predisposed to neurologically based mental illnesses, deal with people who are damaged and disturbed, often as the result of traumatic experiences. It is no surprise that people who have been traumatized by sexual abuse at the hands of close relatives would wind up in the care of a psychiatrist.

It is also 100% true that incest that is not between consenting EQUALS is likely to be abusive and therefore traumatic. Can a 19 year old girl truly consent to sex with her 45 year old father? Can a girl that age genuinely desire a sexual relationship with her dad? It is possible, but unlikely. It is far more likely that at 19 she is still beholden to her father for financial and emotional support and therefore likely to acquiesce to her father's sexual advances. This is abuse. It wouldn't matter if she were 35 and back living with her dad after a divorce and dependent on him to keep a roof over her head. When one person has power over another, genuine consent to a sexual relationship becomes a murky issue at best. The issue of children being molested by adult relatives is so unquestionably abusive that I only mention it here for completeness.

But what about incest where there is no power differential? Where the participants are truly equal adults who, for their own reasons, mutually choose to have sex despite all of the rules against doing so?

Consensual adult incest is different from other consensual sexual relationships between adults in that it is absolutely prohibited by law and social custom. A person can be into a great many different sexual kinks and unusual practices with other adults and never run afoul of the law or truly afoul of what others will consider tolerable. Not so with incest. If two closely related adults choose to have sex together, it is defined by law as a crime regardless of the circumstances. They will be prosecuted if found out. It is also so taboo that people who are found to have done it will be socially ostracized and may even be physically attacked, as the sibling couple in Scotland caught screwing in an elevator were. People threw rocks through the windows of their house and the brother was physically assaulted on the street.

Someone who is involved in a sexual relationship with a related adult that is genuinely consensual is extremely unlikely to reveal it to others under any circumstances. If the relationship is genuinely positive, then they are also unlikely to come to the attention of a psychiatrist, at least for the incest.

Attempting to draw a general conclusion about the public at large from psychiatric patients is an example of the spotlight fallacy:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Spotlight_fallacy

Everyone under psychiatric care is there because they are suffering from mental and/or emotional disturbances. That the people who have suffered sexual abuse at the hands of a relative would end up under the care of a psychiatrist is exactly what one would expect, just as the people who have been sexually abused by people not related to them often wind up under the care of a psychiatrist.

People who have experienced sex with someone related to them that was not abusive or traumatic, but was in fact desired and enjoyed, are unlikely to wind up on a shrink's couch after the fact.