Is feminism an INSULT to real women?

Don't worry, some day soon owning a woman will be like having some shithead cat living in your home.

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Kirkrapine said:

We're still a ways from full equality.

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Really what rights do women not have that men do?

Kirkrapine said:

The most important remaining issue is women's pay being less than men's.

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Equality =/= equity.

Women dont' get paid less, they pick lower paying careers and work less hours.

Because the psycho females who are out for blood working 90+ hr weeks cutting throats and sacrificing anything resembling a social/family life to make it the top? Do.

There is just not as many of them.

Kirkrapine said:

What exactly is Marxist feminism?

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You may have heard of this thing called 'google' ... or even 'wikipedia'? Seriously, I'm totally over offering explanations of things on here that clearly no one reads.

BotanyBoy said:

But they aren't anymore....so time to quite leaning on that crutch and get up to the plate and start swinging like so many other successful women....home runs aren't guaranteed or given out to anybody.

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Sure they aren't.

The other day I pulled up next to a car at one of my local beaches. A couple of chapters of the two largest gangs in the country were having some sort of company picnic at the beach - the place was literally teeming with patched-up gang members. I'd parked badly and my BF made a joke through the open window to the woman sitting in the car next to me about how the driver of her car better be skinny, because I'd left so little space for the driver's door to open. He made a further comment. She could obviously hear him, but utterly ignored him, staring intently and anxiously over her shoulder. At that point we both clicked she was with the gang, and couldn't be seen talking to strange guys.

But of course, all women have total equality.

BotanyBoy said:

Really what rights do women not have that men do?



Equality =/= equity.

Women dont' get paid less, they pick lower paying careers and work less hours.

Because the psycho females who are out for blood working 90+ hr weeks cutting throats and sacrificing anything resembling a social/family life to make it the top? Do.

There is just not as many of them.

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Yep, the vast number of woman who are, on average, paid less than men have 'picked' lower paying careers, and 'choose' to prioritise family over longer hours. It's all just free choice - it's just a total coincidence that the people occupying those lower paid jobs and the people doing unpaid domestic labour are mostly women.

Upon reflection, "points and laughs" is the only meaningful response.

KimGordon67 said:

Sure they aren't.

The other day I pulled up next to a car at one of my local beaches. A couple of chapters of the two largest gangs in the country were having some sort of company picnic at the beach - the place was literally teeming with patched-up gang members. I'd parked badly and my BF made a joke through the open window to the woman sitting in the car next to me about how the driver of her car better be skinny, because I'd left so little space for the driver's door to open. He made a further comment. She could obviously hear him, but utterly ignored him, staring intently and anxiously over her shoulder. At that point we both clicked she was with the gang, and couldn't be seen talking to strange guys.

But of course, all women have total equality.

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Do you let your “boyfriend” drive?

Oblimo said:

We know what the (D)ums really want!

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So Star Trek.

God, that is the dream...

Notcastor said:

Do you let your “boyfriend” drive?

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If we're in my car, I drive. Obviously.
Cute putting 'boyfriend' in scare quotes.

KimGordon67 said:

At that point we both clicked she was with the gang, and couldn't be seen talking to strange guys.

But of course, all women have total equality.

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Because a woman voluntarily submitting to a gang is totally the same thing as legal/systemic oppression by the state.

KimGordon67 said:

Yep, the vast number of woman who are, on average, paid less than men have 'picked' lower paying careers, and 'choose' to prioritise family over longer hours.

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They do choose.

The big ballers choose careers over family...that's why they all have 3...4...5 exes and estranged kids LOL

It's practically unheard of for someone to get to have the 100hr/week gazzilion dollar corporate empire AND a functioning family life.

It's a having a cake and eating it situation. You pretty much have to choose one or the other, doing both just isn't realistic for anyone, male or female.

KimGordon67 said:

It's all just free choice - it's just a total coincidence that the people occupying those lower paid jobs and the people doing unpaid domestic labour are mostly women.

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Did they choose to fuck and have kids they need to take care of?

Or did the government stick an AK to her head and force her make babies under threat of punishment?

Making choices in life like to have a family instead of being a corporate overachiever doesn't make you a victim of inequality and oppression.

BotanyBoy said:

Because a woman voluntarily submitting to a gang is totally the same thing as legal/systemic oppression by the state.




They do choose.

The big ballers choose careers over family...that's why they all have 3...4...5 exes and estranged kids LOL

It's practically unheard of for someone to get to have the 100hr/week gazzilion dollar corporate empire AND a functioning family life.

It's a having a cake and eating it situation. You pretty much have to choose one or the other, doing both just isn't realistic for anyone, male or female.



Did they choose to fuck and have kids they need to take care of?

Or did the government stick an AK to her head and force her make babies under threat of punishment?

Making choices in life like to have a family instead of being a corporate overachiever doesn't make you a victim of inequality and oppression.

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Feminism isn't just about 'legal/systemic oppression by the state'.

Feminism doesn't just address actions undertaken by the government.

All you've demonstrated with this response is a complete lack of understanding of what feminism is, and of how socialisation works.

InsightRiot said:

Don't worry, some day soon owning a woman will be like having some shithead cat living in your home.

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Sure ... because 'woman' = 'womb' ... you can think that, but somehow we don't need feminism?

KimGordon67 said:

All [BotanyBoy] has demonstrated with this response is a complete lack of understanding of what feminism is

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Every.
Single.
Day.

RoryN said:

Every.
Single.
Day.

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Bound to be my fault because I refused to define it for the 382nd time.

KimGordon67 said:

All you've demonstrated with this response is a complete lack of understanding of what feminism is, and of how socialisation works.

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Yes let's hear so more biology denial.....because hormones are fake and the brain isn't real.

KimGordon67 said:

Bound to be my fault because I refused to define it for the 382nd time.

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Well if you wont give one then I'm left to assume a common definition of the term

feminism
NOUN
mass noun
The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminism



You don't get to apply YOUR personal definition to the conversation AFTER the fact and STILL not provide a definition.

I mean you can, but you just look like bratty teenage girl.....like overly typical 13 year old female head game buuu shit that was so bad even you knew I was going to stick it right up your ass.

Until you manage to join the conversation fully, Oxford has your number sister.

BotanyBoy said:

Yes let's hear so more biology denial.....because hormones are fake and the brain isn't real.



Well if you wont give one then I'm left to assume a common definition of the term

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminism



You don't get to apply YOUR personal definition to the conversation AFTER the fact and STILL not provide a definition.

I mean you can, but you just look like bratty teenage girl.....like overly typical 13 year old female head game buuu shit that was so bad even you knew I was going to stick it right up your ass.

Until you manage to join the conversation fully, Oxford has your number sister.

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Or alternatively we could listen to your overly essentialist biological determinism.

And well done - you managed to find a definition without me having to give one for the 383rd time, only to have it ignored. However, no where in that definition does it mention the government, nor the state in any form.

KimGordon67 said:

Or alternatively we could listen to your overly essentialist biological determinism.

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That's your imagination....not my views.

I happen to think biology AND socialization matter.....because ya know...science n' shit.

I know....I know....science is racist and transphobic

KimGordon67 said:

No where in that definition does it mention the government, nor the state in any form.

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It's directly implied...

The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

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Unless you're talking about caveman/jungle dweller which is just silly, then rights are defined by the state in some sort of law in pretty much the entire world.

There are other definitions of feminism obviously, if you would like to go off a different one I'm fine with that conversation too.

But if you just want to be a shit about it, then go snicker with Rory or RacistDownSouth.

BotanyBoy said:

That's your imagination....not my views.

I happen to think biology AND socialization matter.....because ya know...science n' shit.

I know....I know....science is racist and transphobic



It's directly implied...



Unless you're talking about caveman/jungle dweller which is just silly, then rights are defined by the state in some sort of law in pretty much the entire world.

There are other definitions of feminism obviously, if you would like to go off a different one I'm fine with that conversation too.

But if you just want to be a shit about it, then go snicker with Rory or RacistDownSouth.

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I've never in my life said 'science' is racist nor transphobic. I think you have me confused with someone else.

If you think the advocacy of women's rights must involve the state and/or the law, then ... well, I don't know, good on you I guess. (Interestingly, in every single gun control thread I've been involved in on here, there's been a pretty strong suggestion that 'rights' exist outside definition by the state ... but apparently WOMEN'S rights are only those defined by the state ... and I'm assuming only 'the state', not the UN or any other such body? I also thought you were pretty opposed to state intervention in the day-to-day lives of humans, including, for example, the definition of 'rights', or the protection of the rights of women ... but again, apparently this is some sort of weird exception. Whatever.)

KimGordon67 said:

If we're in my car, I drive. Obviously.
Cute putting 'boyfriend' in scare quotes.

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I wish it worked that way at my house instead of everybody arguing over has to drive. One time I swear to god we were arguing about that and the bitch just started chugging a glass of wine. She was like, "Ok I see your point, and I know you're tired- but counterpoint" and then she knocked it back like a shot glass.

I was like

CandiCame said:

I wish it worked that way at my house instead of everybody arguing over has to drive. One time I swear to god we were arguing about that and the bitch just started chugging a glass of wine. She was like, "Ok I see your point, and I know you're tired- but counterpoint" and then she knocked it back like a shot glass.

I was like

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When I was married, I pretty much always drove because I'm a better driver - up until pretty recently, I was regularly doing 300kms a week. I love driving. It's weird, because every other hetero couple I know, the guy always drives - in one instance, even if they're in her car. I don't get that at all.

KimGordon67 said:

If you think the advocacy of women's rights must involve the state and/or the law, then ... well, I don't know, good on you I guess.

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That's generally the rights people are referring to when they speak of them.

KimGordon67 said:

(Interestingly, in every single gun control thread I've been involved in on here, there's been a pretty strong suggestion that 'rights' exist outside definition by the state ...

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That's a constitutional perspective yes.

KimGordon67 said:

but apparently WOMEN'S rights are only those defined by the state ...

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And protected!! Just like mens.

KimGordon67 said:

and I'm assuming only 'the state', not the UN or any other such body?

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Depends....do they have authority of force?

UN doesn't. But some other political body could.

KimGordon67 said:

I also thought you were pretty opposed to state intervention in the day-to-day lives of humans, including, for example, the definition of 'rights', or the protection of the rights of women ... but again, apparently this is some sort of weird exception. Whatever.)

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It's the states job to protect all citizens rights.

Little different than telling you how to run your business, hot to speak, who you're allowed to associate with and raise your kids.

BotanyBoy said:

That's generally the rights people are referring to when they speak of them.



That's a constitutional perspective yes.



And protected!! Just like mens.



Depends....do they have authority of force?

UN doesn't. But some other political body could.



It's the states job to protect all citizens rights.

Little different than telling you how to run your business, hot to speak, who you're allowed to associate with and raise your kids.

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You're pretty much saying that the extent of feminism finishes at the ability of the state to do anything to protect the rights of women. As with your "We think stuff with our brains, therefore even thoughts, ideas, ideologies, identities, etc are biological", this is a position that is impossible and pointless to engage with. If you think the beginning and end of the issues with hegemonic gender roles is the state saying 'you're all equal now', then that's great - I'm glad you're happy about the situation. Have fun with that.

KimGordon67 said:

When I was married, I pretty much always drove because I'm a better driver - up until pretty recently, I was regularly doing 300kms a week. I love driving. It's weird, because every other hetero couple I know, the guy always drives - in one instance, even if they're in her car. I don't get that at all.

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In every couple I know regardless of the genders of the people involved it is always a fight.

This might actually have to do with where you live? Like how the roads are maintained, what traffic is like, etc. Because driving here is an exclusively shitty experience. If I'm in the city I actually don't care to do it, but I don't want to spend the energy not going off cliffs, avoiding potholes, etc. And no one really does because it's awful.

My bf straight up will not drive. Full stop. If there is anyone else there who can drive he just won't do it. After about two years of listening to bullshit excuses and fighting I just kind of gave up but it was a WHOLE thing(tm).

Here's a Candi fun fact- I wholeheartedly believed for several months that you weren't supposed to drive while pregnant as like, a medical thing. I genuinely, in my heart of hearts, believed that because she presented it in such a believable way. She said the bottom of the steering wheel was aligned in such a way as to hit the womb and fuck up the fetus. I was like, "Yeah, that sounds legit, I'll drive you anywhere you want to go. Gotta keep the baby safe."

Then one day I heard her in the living room while I was in the kitchen talking to one of our friends about how she bullshitted me into believing that. You know, to get a fucking chauffeur.

I also once believed that anal sex helped prevent prostate cancer. Because someone at the time wanted a fucktoy.

God- the bullet point is that I'm really stupid and gullible, and if you take advantage of that you're kind of shitty? Like fool me once shame on you, fool me repeated over the course of a relationship and like... come on, don't do that, you know what a dumbass I am. It's mean.

KimGordon67 said:

You're pretty much saying that the extent of feminism finishes at the ability of the state to do anything to protect the rights of women. As with your "We think stuff with our brains, therefore even thoughts, ideas, ideologies, identities, etc are biological", this is a position that is impossible and pointless to engage with. If you think the beginning and end of the issues with hegemonic gender roles is the state saying 'you're all equal now', then that's great - I'm glad you're happy about the situation. Have fun with that.

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Who's gonna tell BB that the state does tell you how to raise your kids? Like someone is eventually gonna have to tell him that CPS is a thing. At some point.

KimGordon67 said:

You're pretty much saying that the extent of feminism finishes at the ability of the state to do anything to protect the rights of women.

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OR the women themselves.

But that's natural rights, not what anyone is talking about or has any problem with.

KimGordon67 said:

As with your "We think stuff with our brains, therefore even thoughts, ideas, ideologies, identities, etc are biological", this is a position that is impossible and pointless to engage with.

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Only if you're a biology denier.

Otherwise biology is a part of the equation and it can't be just dismissed because it doesn't fit the Social Justice narrative.

KimGordon67 said:

If you think the beginning and end of the issues with hegemonic gender roles is the state saying 'you're all equal now', then that's great - I'm glad you're happy about the situation. Have fun with that.

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I don't.

I don't even think people are all equal....quite the opposite.