Go Back   Literotica Discussion Board > Main Literotica Forums > GLBT Chatter > News and Issues

Reply
 
Thread Tools

Old 02-06-2014, 12:22 PM   #26
stickygirl
Smile..it confuses people
 
stickygirl's Avatar
 
stickygirl is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 11,031
But in the UK we have 'taking the piss' - it's loaded with irony and in context a blond joke is perfectly acceptable and the underlying message attacks the blond prejudice.

Since we're talking comedy, here's a guy who attacks every prejudice you can think of by telling jokes about niggers ( Jeez - I hate that word ) to white people. His message as I read it is 'racial prejudice? that was years ago and we've moved on'. OK I know that's going to trigger a response because we all know RP is alive and well. But does R Hunter do a good or bad job? Is his portrayal of the harmless black funny guy reinforcing a stereotype? Or is he showing that it's people that have a sense of humour and race is irrelevant.

http://youtu.be/Sb7ghkEi32w
__________________
My stories My stories
A bit more stuff on Tumblr
Ask a MtF trans woman a question
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-06-2014, 01:46 PM   #27
Bert_Fegg
Literotica Guru
 
Bert_Fegg is offline
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Lancashire, UK
Posts: 646
Reginald Hunter is the fucking messiah Seen that one before, but thanks for reminding me .

For some reason, your remarks reminded me of Mel Brooks, talking about his rationale for making The Producers. He said [and this is not going to be an exact quote] that you couldn't out-rhetoric the likes of Hitler and other extreme political leaders, because that's the thing they were born to do - so ridicule, as far as he was concerned, was the most potent weapon to use against them.

This pic isn't humourous in any way - but it's a very thought provoking one. It's a couple of adult film stars - a guy called Buck Angel and a girl called Stoya

http://buckangel.com/blog/wp-content...t-682x1024.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words, and this speaks volumes about the similarities and differences between men and women. In many ways Mr. Angel could be said to be more of a man than me - I was born this way and didn't do anything about it. He had to make a serious effort. I am sure that there's a way to make the same point through humour, although I confess I don't have the talent to do it - at least not in a hundred words or less.


Quote:
Originally Posted by stickygirl View Post
But in the UK we have 'taking the piss' - it's loaded with irony and in context a blond joke is perfectly acceptable and the underlying message attacks the blond prejudice.

Since we're talking comedy, here's a guy who attacks every prejudice you can think of by telling jokes about niggers ( Jeez - I hate that word ) to white people. His message as I read it is 'racial prejudice? that was years ago and we've moved on'. OK I know that's going to trigger a response because we all know RP is alive and well. But does R Hunter do a good or bad job? Is his portrayal of the harmless black funny guy reinforcing a stereotype? Or is he showing that it's people that have a sense of humour and race is irrelevant.

http://youtu.be/Sb7ghkEi32w
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-06-2014, 01:55 PM   #28
Dyslexicea
Literotica Guru
 
Dyslexicea's Avatar
 
Dyslexicea is offline
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 899
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickygirl View Post
But in the UK we have 'taking the piss' - it's loaded with irony and in context a blond joke is perfectly acceptable and the underlying message attacks the blond prejudice.

Since we're talking comedy, here's a guy who attacks every prejudice you can think of by telling jokes about niggers ( Jeez - I hate that word ) to white people. His message as I read it is 'racial prejudice? that was years ago and we've moved on'. OK I know that's going to trigger a response because we all know RP is alive and well. But does R Hunter do a good or bad job? Is his portrayal of the harmless black funny guy reinforcing a stereotype? Or is he showing that it's people that have a sense of humour and race is irrelevant.

http://youtu.be/Sb7ghkEi32w
I think he's hilarious. I wouldn't say he's showing race is irrelevant but he is showing us that it should be and could be.
__________________
"If male homosexuals are called 'gay,' then female homosexuals should be called 'ecstatic!'" - Shelly Roberts

PROUDLY QUEER! HAPPILY LESBIAN!

“Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their mouth is full of one.” - Kate Clinton


My AH Profile.
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-06-2014, 03:19 PM   #29
Dyslexicea
Literotica Guru
 
Dyslexicea's Avatar
 
Dyslexicea is offline
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 899
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickygirl View Post
You're such a damned tease
Just trying to please.

But really wouldn't it make a great novel. It would need two very good writers one trans and one lesbian. It could explore their meeting, their internal struggle, their falling in love, their life together, the sadness's and the joys. Even flash backs to their childhood, showing how those struggles shaped the beings they became. How each had different struggles but in essence the same.

If only I was a good fiction writer.
__________________
"If male homosexuals are called 'gay,' then female homosexuals should be called 'ecstatic!'" - Shelly Roberts

PROUDLY QUEER! HAPPILY LESBIAN!

“Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their mouth is full of one.” - Kate Clinton


My AH Profile.
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 02:33 AM   #30
stickygirl
Smile..it confuses people
 
stickygirl's Avatar
 
stickygirl is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 11,031
I admit a similar story has run through my mind before...

OK, here we go again - Another petition. I've followed this one for a few days and now they have somewhere to sign.
A journalist hounded an inventor, discovered she was transgender and despite her initial co-operation and trust that he would not disclose her status, he went ahead and published the story, informed all her investors, did the whole bit and she tragically took her own life. He still has his job and hasn't apologised.

Read more here
https://www.change.org/petitions/esp...-lgbt-policies
__________________
My stories My stories
A bit more stuff on Tumblr
Ask a MtF trans woman a question
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 02:42 AM   #31
richfun
Literotica Guru
 
richfun's Avatar
 
richfun is offline
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 1,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickygirl View Post
I admit a similar story has run through my mind before...

OK, here we go again - Another petition. I've followed this one for a few days and now they have somewhere to sign.
A journalist hounded an inventor, discovered she was transgender and despite her initial co-operation and trust that he would not disclose her status, he went ahead and published the story, informed all her investors, did the whole bit and she tragically took her own life. He still has his job and hasn't apologised.

Read more here
https://www.change.org/petitions/esp...-lgbt-policies
Signed
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 08:02 AM   #32
Wolfman1982
people are hard to please
 
Wolfman1982's Avatar
 
Wolfman1982 is offline
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark
Posts: 2,271
Racism, sexism and what not is bad. Humour in itself is not bad. It is the human beings who uses it who are bad. Just like George Carlin said "there is nothing wrong with the word in of themselves. It is the context the word is used.

George Carlin - They are only WORDS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 08:19 AM   #33
stickygirl
Smile..it confuses people
 
stickygirl's Avatar
 
stickygirl is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 11,031
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman1982 View Post
Racism, sexism and what not is bad. Humour in itself is not bad. It is the human beings who uses it who are bad. Just like George Carlin said "there is nothing wrong with the word in of themselves. It is the context the word is used.

George Carlin - They are only WORDS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8
Fair enough - did you sign the petition(s) though? ^^^
__________________
My stories My stories
A bit more stuff on Tumblr
Ask a MtF trans woman a question
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 08:26 AM   #34
Wolfman1982
people are hard to please
 
Wolfman1982's Avatar
 
Wolfman1982 is offline
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Denmark
Posts: 2,271
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickygirl View Post
Fair enough - did you sign the petition(s) though? ^^^
Yes I did.
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 09:54 AM   #35
stickygirl
Smile..it confuses people
 
stickygirl's Avatar
 
stickygirl is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 11,031
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman1982 View Post
Yes I did.
<<<<hugs>>>>
__________________
My stories My stories
A bit more stuff on Tumblr
Ask a MtF trans woman a question
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 10:05 AM   #36
Bert_Fegg
Literotica Guru
 
Bert_Fegg is offline
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Lancashire, UK
Posts: 646
Signed.

What a fucking scumbag
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 10:42 AM   #37
Dyslexicea
Literotica Guru
 
Dyslexicea's Avatar
 
Dyslexicea is offline
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 899
i guess I didn't say I signed both, which I did. I kind just assumed you'd know I would.
__________________
"If male homosexuals are called 'gay,' then female homosexuals should be called 'ecstatic!'" - Shelly Roberts

PROUDLY QUEER! HAPPILY LESBIAN!

“Some women can't say the word lesbian...even when their mouth is full of one.” - Kate Clinton


My AH Profile.
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-07-2014, 11:41 PM   #38
andemorgan
Virgin
 
andemorgan is offline
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 2
I think humor can be a powerful tool, either for good or for evil (that is not hyperbole; transphobia is evil). While the differences can be subtle, I think most people are capable of discerning between humor that is neutral, humor that is positive, and humor that hurts.

For example, Colbert's satire is sometimes subtle (it's usually very obvious), but most of his fans are able to discern that it is satire based on his inflection, his body language, his choice of words, or other contextual clues. Consequently, it is usually clear that his jokes are aimed at the oppressor rather than the oppressed. These markers are missing from the transphobic jokes alluded to in the petition.

It is not naive or overly idealistic (underly pragmatic?) to request a basic level of recognition and respect for trans* people, and trans* people and their allies should not resign themselves to accepting derision or to "growing a thick skin" (no one should). Now, more than ever, great progress can be made quickly on this issue due to demographic shifts and the interwebs. As with marriage equality, it just takes persistence (although celebrity advocates can help a lot).

It's awesome to see the discussion here!
  Reply With Quote

Old 02-08-2014, 02:35 AM   #39
stickygirl
Smile..it confuses people
 
stickygirl's Avatar
 
stickygirl is offline
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 11,031
We also have our fair number of loons and fakes, but it's important they have somewhere to go
So - how goes the campaign? Had any correspondence from their PAs or lawyers?

5700 signed, 4300 still needed...
__________________
My stories My stories
A bit more stuff on Tumblr
Ask a MtF trans woman a question

Last edited by stickygirl : 02-08-2014 at 02:38 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:07 PM.

Copyright 1998-2013 Literotica Online. Literotica is a registered trademark.