Go Back   Literotica Discussion Board > Main Literotica Forums > BDSM Talk > BDSM Cafe

Reply
 
Thread Tools

Old 03-20-2017, 07:26 PM   #2276
midwestyankee
Literotica Guru
 
midwestyankee's Avatar
 
midwestyankee is offline
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 30,846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
Euuughhh.
I just started watching and it's definitely more cinematographically (Sheesh that's a long word) competent than the Christmas Special, but uh...The movie, quite near the beginning, states the following:

Anastasia: "So you want a, what did you call it...vanilla relationship?"
Grey: "It means we only do what you're comfortable with."

Putting aside the fact that they got that so wrong, think about what that means for a second.
Vanilla = Only do what [Presumably both parties] consent to do.
So it's a direct extrapolation that BDSM necessarily involves raping and/or abusing the pyl if 'vanilla'/normal is defined as a consensual relationship.
And a few second prior to that Grey stated that he was trying to cure himself of his implied sexual sadism. (I'd argue that he's just a sadist in general.)

Great start, movie!
Let me know if you feel as if you're still sentient after watching the whole movie. If not, I'm sure we can figure out some sort of emergency treatment.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-20-2017, 08:29 PM   #2277
Blue
Literotica Guru
 
Blue's Avatar
 
Blue is offline
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Somewhere cold but still too hot
Posts: 2,368
Eh, certainly not the absolute worst movie I've ever seen but would probably make it into my bottom 10.

Most reviews I've looked at primarily focus on the lack of chemistry and narrative structure to this film which it most certainly has a tremendous lack of. E.g on chemistry; the cast got a (slightly) better acting instructor than in the first film but the entire dialogue sounds as bland and monotonous as two people discussing the intricacies of chess while watching paint dry, there's no verbal or physical flare to anything anybody does. They even managed to perform an I-throw-my-drink-in-your-face-in-disgust moment with such dullness that it took my intellectually fatigued brain a few seconds to acknowledge it.

The structure is just ridiculous. Bear in mind that in the first movie Anastasia was continually stalked by an entitled psychopathic control freak (Grey) and the movie ended with her being emotionally manipulated to the point where she asked to be assaulted, which led to her leaving in fear and disgust of Grey and moving far far away from him. Well in this movie, straight off the bat, everything from the first movie is chucked out the window and she ends up being the one who heavily instigates the flirtation and sex.

Not sure if this one belongs in chemistry or structure, but it's like the writer forgot after 15 minutes of the screenplay that they were meant to be writing a movie about BDSM and the whole thing spiraled into a terrible quote unquote 'romance movie' that played out more like a poorly rated 12-page psychodrama on this website than a multi million dollar production. With a cuff thrown in here and there.

Although, the poor production quality alone isn't enough to make it one of the worst movies I've ever seen since it's certainly not so poor that it rivals the Star Wars Christmas Special. It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen because of how offensively stereotypical and mischaracterizing of the entire concept of BDSM it is. An accurate comparison would be a movie straight out of 1960's Mississippi where all the gay characters are old men prowling around primary schools (Kindergarten?) in opaque sunglasses and beige trench coats. You can probably piece together what I mean from my notes.
All compounded and made worse by the fact that this is a mainstream depiction of BDSM which apparently 53% of audience members liked.

I'm not doing any justice to how bad it is with these poor explanations, so in summary: If you never saw this movie before you died it should not be something you regret at all.

Here are the raw notes I made while watching.
* The entire reason they're even a thing again is because Anastasia thinks she can cure sexual sadism.
* Implying that BDSM is necessarily rape by defining 'vanilla' as a relationship where partners actually consent to activities.
* Stating that being a PYL is the result of child abuse and great trauma by a drug addicted mother and sexual abuse by an older woman.
--In the case of that older woman the same is true. She's a dominatrix and pretty much agrees that she abused him.
* Christian is a psycho stalker as usual who steals Anastasia's bank information and has a filing cabinet full of data on his ex-subs.
--Although to be fair Anastasia does think that's a little out of place, not a ginormous red flag to GTFO though.
* She's trying to force him to get rid of his sexuality, he's trying to force her to acquire it, despite both of them unambiguously saying what the other is trying to do is impossible.
* Subs (Not inc. Anastasia since it's clearly stated that she isn't one) are emotionally-crippled mentalists with severe attachment issues.
* Christian says he can only acquire sexual gratification from hurting women who look like his mother. Apparently this movie is a remake of Bates Motel.
* Christian does and says a bunch of really out of character and sub-ish things.

Essentially the movie only exists to reinforce ancient stereotypes about people anywhere on the BDSM spectrum being psychologically aberrant and dangerous, depicting specifically Sub-Dom relations as something to be avoided for the mental and physical health of everyone involved, and shamelessly not even trying in any small way whatsoever to advance any realistic portrayal of BDSM.

1.2/10

~ ~ ~ ~

Having trouble sleeping for unrelated reasons. Decided to change my review rating of it from 0.6 to 1.2, I was being a bit too harsh.
Although if this had been a normal 'romance' movie that did not attempt to portray a sub-dom relationship I would probably say it's at least a 3.5 or more. It's the antiquated and demonized portrayal of the relationship that really bugs me.
__________________
_
██

Last edited by Consilience : 03-20-2017 at 11:58 PM.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-24-2017, 04:44 PM   #2278
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
Haven't seen CnC around much... thought I'd post to say hi!

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-24-2017, 05:26 PM   #2279
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
Hmmmm, I have know about this:



But Spotted Pussy????



Quote:
Originally Posted by cookiecat View Post
Haven't seen CnC around much... thought I'd post to say hi!

__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-25-2017, 03:44 PM   #2280
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-25-2017, 04:42 PM   #2281
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-27-2017, 01:37 PM   #2282
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 04-01-2017, 08:13 AM   #2283
La damnee elle la licorne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-05-2017, 04:38 PM   #2284
cascadiabound
The Mystery of RED 銀果
 
cascadiabound's Avatar
 
cascadiabound is offline
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: In a Privateer's Arms
Posts: 14,994


can I go back to bed and snuggle with my human now?
__________________
“Life is full of stories. Or maybe life is only stories."
All stories are, in some form, prayers." ~Brian Doyle
"Politeness can be mistaken for flirting because it’s so uncommon."
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-06-2017, 01:31 AM   #2285
MeekMe
Unsweetened
 
MeekMe's Avatar
 
MeekMe is offline
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 4,417
Quote:
Originally Posted by midwestyankee View Post
Let me know if you feel as if you're still sentient after watching the whole movie. If not, I'm sure we can figure out some sort of emergency treatment.
Appropriate emergency treatment requires a dick slap of reality. That prescription can easily be fulfilled here.
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-07-2017, 12:25 AM   #2286
Blue
Literotica Guru
 
Blue's Avatar
 
Blue is offline
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Somewhere cold but still too hot
Posts: 2,368
So I go to BBC's news website for temporary reading material, and find out that the first nightmare I've had in maybe 2 years just so happened to be on the very same night that Trump did another inappropriately spontaneous action and had a Syrian airbase bombed.

I wonder if I'm psychic or something?
__________________
_
██
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-13-2017, 08:40 PM   #2287
RubiDia
Literotica Guru
 
RubiDia's Avatar
 
RubiDia is offline
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 661
That's not possible. Why is thread about cats?
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-13-2017, 10:11 PM   #2288
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by RubiDia View Post
That's not possible. Why is thread about cats?
'cause it is a thread about cats....





(damn pussies....)
__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 03:54 AM   #2289
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 03:56 AM   #2290
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268




  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 05:58 PM   #2291
La damnee elle la licorne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 08:44 PM   #2292
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by La damnee elle la licorne View Post
A little note;

I touched base with the frivolous one and I checked with her I might pass the message on that she is fine but terribly busy right now.

❤️
Thank you for that news. I've been a bit worried...


__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 09:19 PM   #2293
La damnee elle la licorne
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
  Reply With Quote

Old 04-14-2017, 09:42 PM   #2294
Shankara20
Better....
 
Shankara20's Avatar
 
Shankara20 is offline
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Bi-Switch land....
Posts: 46,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by La damnee elle la licorne View Post


I worry a bit when any of you disappear 😳
That is what I try to at least keep my hat on...




__________________


“I have nothing to offer anybody, except my own confusion.”
― Jack Kerouac

  Reply With Quote

Old 04-15-2017, 02:54 AM   #2295
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
Quote:
Originally Posted by La damnee elle la licorne View Post
A little note;

I touched base with the frivolous one and I checked with her I might pass the message on that she is fine but terribly busy right now.

❤️
Thank you for the update!!


  Reply With Quote

Old 06-10-2017, 03:06 AM   #2296
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
Thinking of CnC!





__________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-10-2017, 09:49 PM   #2297
rbijon
Literotica Guru
 
rbijon's Avatar
 
rbijon is offline
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: east coast
Posts: 70,621
& more
__________________
A guy who loves to play, so Beware of Pirates
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-20-2017, 02:17 AM   #2298
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
__________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-21-2017, 03:38 AM   #2299
cookiecat
Literotica Guru
 
cookiecat's Avatar
 
cookiecat is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12,268
__________________
  Reply With Quote

Old 06-28-2017, 05:52 PM   #2300
AbsintheFather
Passing a little time
 
AbsintheFather's Avatar
 
AbsintheFather is offline
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midwest, US
Posts: 35,430
Bad Kitten

  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:06 AM.

Copyright 1998-2013 Literotica Online. Literotica is a registered trademark.