Democrats Prove Hitler Correct

EMERSON?

Lemme put it anuther way for you.

Can you stipulated Hitler was chancellor of Germany, then dictator?

Thru the Weimar Republic Period German political parties need nor prevail with qa majority of popular vote. Hillary got 2.5 million more votes than Trump and lost the election here. Germany was similar back then. The Nazis or any party could collect a healthy chunk of the popular vote and take home lotsa seats in the Reichstag. similar to our American primaries.

In 1933 the communists hated the socialists more than the Nazis, and Hitler was the only option for a coalition government. However you count it, Hitler won the election.

You still think Hillary won our election?


You can try putting it any ol' way you want.

The facts, the actual facts, do not support the statement that Hitler was elected.

As pointed out by ishtat, the Nazi party had around 33% of the vote in November '32. A large number when compared to the other parties, but not enough to carry the day and win them the election.

Hitler lost the 1932 presidential election to Hindenburg. And not by just a little either.

Hitler was not elected into power. He was appointed chancellor in early 1933 (there was nothing shady about this, it was a legal part of the parliamentary system of the day, and one Hindenburg participated in), and rose to power by forming a coalition, through intimidation, backroom deals, and playing power politics.

The key to Hitler's rise was his appointment to chancellor. Not because of election, certainly not because of popular vote, or even anything resembling democratic process. The political machine back then ran more on authoritarian politics than anything resembling democracy.

I'll leave the comparability of 1930s German elections to 2016 American presidential elections to you. Whatever you're thinking, I'm pretty confident we'll just agree to disagree.
 
Do your homework and get back to me.

Hitler got appointed chancellor because a majority of Reichstag members were willing to work with the Nazis but not with each other. It was Hitler or nobody. Hindenberg didn't like Hitler.

In some form or fashion Hitler became head of the Nazi party. Let us know how it happened.

Your original post stated that Hitler understood elections then went on to compare him with Trump. Hitler did not understand elections. He did everything he could to avoid them including starting WW2. You're wrong, plain and simple. Trying to change the thrust of your argument merely serves to emphasise that point.
 
Hitler did not win an election for Chancellor, there never was one - but he did win the office of Chancellor through a legal and democratic process. Under the Weimar republic from 1919 to 1933 no party won an election outright. Each party won a certain number of seats and then formed coalitions with other parties to form governments making a recommendation to the President as to who he should appoint Chancellor. Best result for the Nazis was 236 out of 600.

There were two parties with radical manifestos, the communists and the nazis. The social democrats won a lot of seats as did the large Catholic party. The social democrats were losing working class voters to both the communists and Nazis. The Catholics were virulently anti communist and inclined to support any strong right of centre candidate.

All three Chancellors before Hitler encouraged (the supposedly ceremonial) President Hindenberg to rule by Presidential decree and all three were of the right and moving further to the right by the day. Schleicher was as extreme as Hitler in most respects. Von Papen thought he could control Hitler, and Bruning was no better.

Hitler was recommended to Hindenberg for the role of Chancellor by the leaders of the other significant parties, particularly von Papen. He had credibility as the leader of the largest party and because he had performed well in the 1932 Presidential election.

He thus took the Chancellorship by the democratic process which had served Germany for the previous 13 years.

Then in 1934 Hindenberg died. Hitler who had been fairly careful to that time held a plebiscite to combine the offices of Chancellor and President. He won that in a landslide.

Thus Hitler became Chancellor through the accepted democratic process of the day and consolidated it with an overwhelming national vote in his favour in 1934.
 
An appeal for help.

As I age my patience for clueless assheads withers. In the winter of my life I don't wanna educate fools like ISHTAT, but my IGGY file has more people than Hillarys recent election popularity. Help me by guiding them to quiet safe places away from me.
 
An appeal for help.

As I age my patience for clueless assheads withers. In the winter of my life I don't wanna educate fools like ISHTAT, but my IGGY file has more people than Hillarys recent election popularity. Help me by guiding them to quiet safe places away from me.


Leave winter behind. :rose:


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In some form or fashion Hitler became head of the Nazi party. Let us know how it happened.

He demanded it. There was opposition, but by that time Hitler had made himself indispensable as the party's best public speaker and fundraiser. So he got his way, and (at least among Germans) kept on getting his way until the day he died.
 
Democrats dislike Jesus. Hitler warned about dissing the dominant religion and said don't do it. In America its Evangelical Christians, and Trump had them from the start.

Of course, Hillary is much, much more of a Christian than Trump. I know it, you know it, and the Evangelicals know it. Nevertheless . . .
 
Of course, Hillary is much, much more of a Christian than Trump. I know it, you know it, and the Evangelicals know it. Nevertheless . . .

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-collapse-of-the-political-left/article/2609139

I'm no Christian. Jesus and me are kin but he wasn't divine. That said, he was on to something good and better than his competitors. So I support Jesus but few of his franchaisees. The pope is an asshead. Christians assert they get something from their religion that escapes me, but I don't get gay or liberal.
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-collapse-of-the-political-left/article/2609139

I'm no Christian. Jesus and me are kin but he wasn't divine. That said, he was on to something good and better than his competitors. So I support Jesus but few of his franchaisees. The pope is an asshead. Christians assert they get something from their religion that escapes me, but I don't get gay or liberal.

Being liberal is a matter of degree. Hitler and Trump would see freedom of speech as liberal. so on that basis you're a fucking hippie!
 
You can try putting it any ol' way you want.

The facts, the actual facts, do not support the statement that Hitler was elected.

As pointed out by ishtat, the Nazi party had around 33% of the vote in November '32. A large number when compared to the other parties, but not enough to carry the day and win them the election.

Hitler lost the 1932 presidential election to Hindenburg. And not by just a little either.

Hitler was not elected into power. He was appointed chancellor in early 1933 (there was nothing shady about this, it was a legal part of the parliamentary system of the day, and one Hindenburg participated in), and rose to power by forming a coalition, through intimidation, backroom deals, and playing power politics.

The key to Hitler's rise was his appointment to chancellor. Not because of election, certainly not because of popular vote, or even anything resembling democratic process. The political machine back then ran more on authoritarian politics than anything resembling democracy.

I'll leave the comparability of 1930s German elections to 2016 American presidential elections to you. Whatever you're thinking, I'm pretty confident we'll just agree to disagree.

His dumb, racist ass is just hoping that Trump will "cleanse" the US, but he's too stupid to understand that he was duped by a con man.

He's a third rate moron, with dreams and aspirations of being a "shock trooper" for white nationalism.

His kind has nothing to offer society and he'll be dead and forgotten soon, and no one will shed a tear.
 
His dumb, racist ass is just hoping that Trump will "cleanse" the US, but he's too stupid to understand that he was duped by a con man.

He's a third rate moron, with dreams and aspirations of being a "shock trooper" for white nationalism.

His kind has nothing to offer society and he'll be dead and forgotten soon, and no one will shed a tear.

^^^^^My black baby daddy.

Okay lets do it again slow this time.

Who was chancellor? Adolf Hitler.

Why Hitler? Because the social democrats agreed to form

a coalition government with Hitler but none of the others. And Hitler wouldn't play ball unless he was chancellor.

With nimrods like you its no wonder the democrat party collapsed.
 
^^^^^My black baby daddy.

Okay lets do it again slow this time.

Who was chancellor? Adolf Hitler.

Why Hitler? Because the social democrats agreed to form

a coalition government with Hitler but none of the others. And Hitler wouldn't play ball unless he was chancellor.


With nimrods like you its no wonder the democrat party collapsed.

I seem to recollect an election in it somewhere. If so, Hitler won it.
 
An appeal for help.

As I age my patience for clueless assheads withers. In the winter of my life I don't wanna educate fools like ISHTAT, but my IGGY file has more people than Hillarys recent election popularity. Help me by guiding them to quiet safe places away from me.

I agree James, you do need help! - rather a lot. Had you read beyond the first sentence of my previous post you might have realized that it significantly supported your contention.

Your knowledge of the Weimar Republic before Hitler is modest. Simple biographies of Von Papen and Schleicher would inform you - but keep it simple ;).

Your assertion that Hitler's first government was an accommodation with the Social Democrats is plain wrong. His original main partner was the German National Peoples Party, which was as right wing as he was in most respects. The GNPP was a coalition of Catholics, various traditional conservative groups, anti Semites etc.

By this point the Social Democrats did not count for much because they had lost so much support to the Communists and Nazis. They were scared they were going out of business. They were right.

Hitler got the Chancellorship because Von Papen pushed his candidature with Hindenburg - thinking he could control him. The Reichstag and its parties had become relatively minor players after government by Presidential decree increased markedly post 1925. The Reichstag gave Hitler de jure legitimacy after his appointment as Chancellor
 
^^^^^My black baby daddy.

Okay lets do it again slow this time.

Who was chancellor? Adolf Hitler.

Why Hitler? Because the social democrats agreed to form

a coalition government with Hitler but none of the others. And Hitler wouldn't play ball unless he was chancellor.

With nimrods like you its no wonder the democrat party collapsed.

Not one bit of this supports your contention that Hitler understood elections. He didn't. He had no time for democracy, no time for human rights and very definitely no time for freedom of speech. If you had lived in Hitler's Germany you would have been a amongst the first batches to be sent to the concentration camps.
 
Noir is an avowed admirer of AH and an admitted racist. Do not take anything he says as fact.

Germany was a broken country when Adolf came to power. He manipulated peoples fears of Stalinist Russia and used the Jews and capitalists as scapegoats for Germany's loss in WWI. He used threats of further violence by his brownshirts to consolidate power in a coalition government.

Folk were taking home pay daily in wheelbarrows such was the value of the mark.

He and his party did not win out right majorities. That is only a given in two party states like the US. But he did have the largest percenatge of votes.

Hitler gained popular support by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.

By 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933. Following fresh elections won by his coalition, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which began the process of transforming the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany, a one-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of National Socialism. Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France. His first six years in power resulted in rapid economic recovery from the Great Depression, the effective abandonment of restrictions imposed on Germany after World War I, and the annexation of territories that were home to millions of ethnic Germans—actions which gave him significant popular support.

To get the full story...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Rise_to_power

Il Donald did use peoples fear of Mexican job losses and immigrants and fear of Muslims similar to Hitlers scapegoating of Jews and fear of Russia, Britain and France.

Many of the Jews that Hitler hated so much were not rich bankers. Many were poor refugees fleeing pogroms in Russia. Like Mexican illegals they took low paying jobs.

Many populists like Il Donald, Il Duce and Hitler prey on peoples fears and promise restoration to greatness.
 
Not one bit of this supports your contention that Hitler understood elections. He didn't. He had no time for democracy, no time for human rights and very definitely no time for freedom of speech. If you had lived in Hitler's Germany you would have been a amongst the first batches to be sent to the concentration camps.

You dont get the Great Truth that THE MEANING OF ANYTHING IS THE OUTCOME YOU GET.

One more time: THERE WAS A REIUCHSTAG ELECTION, ITS RESULTS DETERMINED WHO BECAME CHANCELLOR, AND HITLER BECAME CHANCELLOR.
 
Germany was a broken country when Adolf came to power.

Not so much, actually. The hyperinflation was over by then, and Germany was the first industrialized nation to recover fully from the Great Depression, before Hitler became Chancellor. But the memory of hard times was still fresh.
 
British women are proof there are no dentists there. And since 1990 the PM must import Africans to breed Brit women, to offset the rampant epidemic of homosexuality.

All those Sambos talk like Benny Hill.
 
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Not one bit of this supports your contention that Hitler understood elections. He didn't. He had no time for democracy, no time for human rights and very definitely no time for freedom of speech. If you had lived in Hitler's Germany you would have been a amongst the first batches to be sent to the concentration camps.

More likely NOIRTRASH would've been an SA man (the SS would never have had him, they had standards).
 
You dont get the Great Truth that THE MEANING OF ANYTHING IS THE OUTCOME YOU GET.

One more time: THERE WAS A REIUCHSTAG ELECTION, ITS RESULTS DETERMINED WHO BECAME CHANCELLOR, AND HITLER BECAME CHANCELLOR.

Hehehehehe. Your original post expresses an opinion I disagree with and you support that opinion with a number of non factual statements. In my opinion Hitler did not understand elections, he banned them for this reason. Had there been elections he would have lost them.
 
I dunno if he would have lost elections if it came down to it. His rallies were rather Trumpesque.
 
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