U.S. rejects California driver licenses for undocumented immigrants

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(Reuters) - California lawmakers are clashing with federal officials over the design of drivers' licenses for immigrants living in the country illegally, highlighting concerns about how to grant such permits while also making clear they do not confer legal status.

Ten U.S. states enacted laws allowing unauthorized immigrants to receive drivers' licenses or permits last year, including California and Illinois, while others have begun issuing the permits to young people who have temporary permission to remain in the United States.

This week, the Department of Homeland Security rejected California's proposed design for the permits, sparking a strong reaction from the state's Latino Caucus and other lawmakers who worked for years to pass the law to allow the permits.

"Our commitment is that this will not set us back," Assembly member Luis Alejo, a Democrat from the agricultural community of Watsonville, said on Wednesday.

Alejo, who authored the law last year, said the state had already been in contact with Homeland Security officials about the rejection, working through the Department of Motor Vehicles in the administration of Democratic Governor Jerry Brown.

The top Democrat in the state senate, Darrell Steinberg of Sacramento, also weighed in, writing to Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to ask the agency to reconsider.

The licenses have become a focal point for controversy, as states seek to distinguish them from documents that are considered instruments for official identification as required by federal law.

In North Carolina, the license design calls for a dark pink stripe across the front and the words "No Lawful Status" in red. In Alabama, officials said the licenses will be marked "FN" for Foreign National.

Immigrant rights groups have complained loudly about the distinctions, calling them unfair and saying that they could invite discrimination.

Seeking to avoid such accusations, officials in California decided to indicate that the state's licenses were not the same as federal identity papers on the back, not the front.

But this week, the federal Department of Homeland Security advised the state that its plan did not go far enough.

In a letter to California Department of Motor Vehicles Director Jean Shiomoto, two homeland security officials wrote that the state needs to put the indication on the front of the license, and also use "a unique design or color" to distinguish the permits from regular licenses.

On Wednesday, immigrant rights activists scrambled to oppose the ruling, gathering online petitions and lobbying the state's Congressional delegation to ask Homeland Security to back down.

"We are strongly rejecting the attempts by the Department of Homeland Security to strongarm the state of California into accepting what we see as unnecessary requirements," said Arturo Carmona, a spokesman for immigrant advocacy group Presente.org.

Department of Motor Vehicles spokesman Armando Botello said the state still plans to begin issuing the permits next year and was preparing for an anticipated crush of applicants.

"We're still working on hiring an additional 1,000 people and opening four temporary offices," Botello said. "We're still hopeful that we can meet that deadline."
 
"Undocumented immigrant" translates into English as illegal alien.

You can't have a country that doesn't have control over who can move to it and who can live in it. That's not a country, its a place.
 
Sooner, rather than later, a single judge somewhere in this great land will protect the right to acts of love.


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Homeland Security moves in mysterious ways.

New Mexico has been issuing drivers licenses to illegals for years now, unrestricted, non-notational (all licenses are the same, nothing denotes and illegal from a citizen) for years now. The reason the law was passed to begin with was on the argument of 'public safety.' ie. "they drive anyway so now we can force them to buy insurance." Well, they still drive anyway and they still don't buy insurance. The only thing the law accomplished was to turn the state into a hot bed of fraudulent license issuing. Further, unless the waiver of compliance for the 'real id' act is renewed (again) New Mexico citizens will be required to show a passport to board an airplane, etc. In other words a New Mexico drivers license will NOT be accepted as a form of identification outside the state.

For three years now there has been an attempt to change the law to eliminate the issuance of licenses to illegals, all attempts have failed in spite of the overwhelming majority of the wishes of the citizens that the repeal be enacted. (67% across the board with 73% of non-hispanics in favor of repeal and 62% of the hispanic population in favor of repeal. (These numbers are approximately the same for amnesty, the larger portion of the hispanic community in New Mexico, the state with the largest hispanic population per capita of all the states, don't want the illegals here at all.) New Mexico does not have a referendum process like many other states where the voters can force an issue to be on the ballot.

Which is why I find it interesting that Homeland Security (the citizens harassment act of 2002) has stuck their nose into the California initiative while states like New Mexico are given a free pass.

Ishmael
 
Oh no! Now they can't drive to Mexico for their medical care!

Real deep thinker, aren't ya?

First off is the fact that having a drivers license and being able to drive are NOT mutually inclusive. They drove before, with or without a license, and they still do.

Secondly, they don't drive to Mexico to pay for their medical care, they clog up the local emergency rooms just as they did before they were able to get a license and receive their care for free.

Ishmael
 
Oh no! Now they can't drive to Mexico for their medical care!

why would your kind do that when they can run to an obama aids clinic to get free obamacare?

thanks for offering more proof that the obama kind is mentally damaged
 
Real deep thinker, aren't ya?

First off is the fact that having a drivers license and being able to drive are NOT mutually inclusive. They drove before, with or without a license, and they still do.

Secondly, they don't drive to Mexico to pay for their medical care, they clog up the local emergency rooms just as they did before they were able to get a license and receive their care for free.

Ishmael

Hmmmm...illegals flooding our healthcare system while some Americans go to Mexico for cheaper healthcare.
 
"Undocumented immigrant" translates into English as illegal alien.

You can't have a country that doesn't have control over who can move to it and who can live in it. That's not a country, its a place.
That's the way Americans want it.

Illegal aliens are the next best thing to slaves. Americans don't want them to be legal, but they do want them to learn to drive. They're worth more that way.
 
Real deep thinker, aren't ya?

First off is the fact that having a drivers license and being able to drive are NOT mutually inclusive. They drove before, with or without a license, and they still do.

Secondly, they don't drive to Mexico to pay for their medical care, they clog up the local emergency rooms just as they did before they were able to get a license and receive their care for free.

Ishmael

How are they getting it for free?
 
"Undocumented immigrant" translates into English as illegal alien.

You can't have a country that doesn't have control over who can move to it and who can live in it. That's not a country, its a place.

Until recently that's exactly how it was. You do know that right?
 
How are they getting it for free?

Nobody ever has to pay a bill from an emergency room. Didn't you know that?

That's right sparky, they just don't bother paying the bill. Phony names, phony addresses, Obama burner phones. They can bill you all they want, but if you don't pay..............it's free.

They can even sue you if they can find you, but it's rather pointless in the case of illegals. They don't have nay money and if they do they just go back south of the border and come back with a new name. They know exactly how the game is played.

Ishmael
 
Funny. I thought taxes paid for a lot of that. But Ish did just make a damn good argument for why we should either let people die who show up without insurance or get Universal Health Care. The system we have is pretty much the stupidest one possible.
 
That's right sparky, they just don't bother paying the bill. Phony names, phony addresses, Obama burner phones. They can bill you all they want, but if you don't pay..............it's free.

They can even sue you if they can find you, but it's rather pointless in the case of illegals. They don't have nay money and if they do they just go back south of the border and come back with a new name. They know exactly how the game is played.

Ishmael

Seems like a good reason to issue state ID's.

With this business model being so unsuccessful, why do people with advanced degrees keep going into it?
 
Funny. I thought taxes paid for a lot of that. But Ish did just make a damn good argument for why we should either let people die who show up without insurance or get Universal Health Care. The system we have is pretty much the stupidest one possible.

No you didn't. You rarely think at all.

Ishmael
 
That's right sparky, they just don't bother paying the bill. Phony names, phony addresses, Obama burner phones. They can bill you all they want, but if you don't pay..............it's free.

They can even sue you if they can find you, but it's rather pointless in the case of illegals. They don't have nay money and if they do they just go back south of the border and come back with a new name. They know exactly how the game is played.

Ishmael
And I'm sure that the immigrant's owners, i mean bosses, are just fine with that.
 
LOL funny. I really did think that though. Do my tax dollars not at least in part fund hospitals?



Harder to give fake addies with your information on record. not impossible mind you but harder.

Let me bring you up to speed, if you go to the emergency room you are going to get treated. Doesn't matter if you give them a fake name, a fake address, or even tell them nothing at all. They have to treat no matter what. That is a federal mandate.

Ishmael
 
Let me bring you up to speed, if you go to the emergency room you are going to get treated. Doesn't matter if you give them a fake name, a fake address, or even tell them nothing at all. They have to treat no matter what. That is a federal mandate.

Ishmael

Yes, one started under Reagan. It has absolutely nothing to do with the price of tea in China however.
 
Let me bring you up to speed, if you go to the emergency room you are going to get treated. Doesn't matter if you give them a fake name, a fake address, or even tell them nothing at all. They have to treat no matter what. That is a federal mandate.

Ishmael

So absolutely true. And one of the biggest reasons why we have to have something like Obamacare (not that it is the end all answer, far from it). Millions of folks, legal or illegal, going to the ER and then not paying is and always has been a huge drain on taxpayers.
 
I realize when something seems to be a good thing the Democratic side of the congress/president combo that passed something will take credit, and when the unintended (but predictable) downside is a factor, they will point finger at the Republicans but some facts for the non-liberals to ponder. None of this will interest the liberals.

EMTALA was added to the 1986 budget act that Reagan had to sign if he wanted the 2-year delayed tax reform held out as a carrot by Tip O'neal and the Democratic Congress. The promised "future spending cuts" of course have still never materialized...nor will they ever.

It only applies to Hospital that have ERs and only if they accept Medicare.

6% of those hospital's total operating costs are thought attributable to uncompensated losses from this unfunded Federal mandate. There is no office of government that writes them a check for this. They eat it, or rather insurers do in the form of higher prices for everything a hospital does.

55% of the costs incurred by ER departments prior to Obamacare are for care that is not insured. Since then no figure yet available but the number of emergency room visits are up, not down.

The supposed Medicare Savings $700billion is both supposed to stabilize the bankrupt Medicare system AND fund Obamacare. The reality is they will probably still keep putting on doc fix bandages on the problem since of course you can't spend the same fictional 700billion twice.

If they ever do actually save money on medicare, it will be by lowering reimbursements. As it is most Doctors and facilities including hospitals report that the level of compensation is so low that if not for non-medicare and non-medicaid patients they would be out of business.

Already there are many specialty "clinics" popping up that are really just hospitals without an ER department. Eventually the few places that DO have ER's will either fail from the combination of low medicare reimbursements, unfunded er visits, and nearby specialty clinics siphoning off the profitable, insured patients at lower costs since they don't have to deal with the above.
 
Get to citing shit Query.

Also I don't know where you got the idea about good stuff equals dems, bad equals Republican. Traditionally who ever is president gets the credit. This wasn't something bad that happened under Reagan, the idea that prior to that things were different is equal parts unbelievable and disgusting.
 
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