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KingOrfeo said:
That method would only poll for the popularity of the words. Polls show many Americans now prefer socialism to capitalism, but as the poll does not define "socialism" or "capitalism" it doesn't mean much. The Pew Center's method is to poll for opinions on a range of political questions, then sort the respondents into typology groups based on their answers. Isn't that better?
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Better only for getting the results that you want.

Most people are compassionate. When you ask questions that screen for compassion you will find that conservative score very high. Conservatives are demonstrably more compassionate than you selfish fucks that call yourselves liberal. That doesn't mean that they want government doing the sort of shit that you want government doing to and for other people
 
KingOrfeo said:
California is a place where liberal policies benefit the economy and Kansas is a place where conservative policies harm the economy. Take a lesson from that.
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You don't know jack-fucking-shit about KANSAS.

If you want to know about KANSAS ask a Jayhawker, like me.
 
Not even a majority of Democrats will own the label of "liberal."

58% of DEMOCRATS say they are not liberal.
 
KingOrfeo said:
California is a place where liberal policies benefit the economy and Kansas is a place where conservative policies harm the economy. Take a lesson from that.
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You're full of crap. The present Democrat economic agenda is unsustainable.
 
KingOrfeo said:
California is a place where liberal policies benefit the economy
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Very very little of California is liberal and we have very few liberal policies.


California corporatism (a flavor of socialism) is what really runs things here.

And the benefits are only for the upper crust.

They pretty much shit on everyone else.
 
Conager said:
Better only for getting the results that you want.
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No, better for getting results that accurately reflect the range and popularity of political opinions in American society. We all know that "liberal" and "conservative" are ambiguous, they words of many and in some cases incompatible definitions. Asking people which they identify with tells you nothing. A libertarian might call himself "liberal." But asking people about their opinions on immigration tells you something.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Very very little of California is liberal and we have very few liberal policies.
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:rolleyes: I am using the word in the sense intended by the current consensus of American political discourse. Consensus is the only meaningful way a word can be defined. Consensus reality. Learn it. Live it. Be it.
 
KingOrfeo said:
No, better for getting results that accurately reflect the range and popularity of political opinions in American society. We all know that "liberal" and "conservative" are ambiguous, they words of many and in some cases incompatible definitions. Asking people which they identify with tells you nothing. A libertarian might call himself "liberal." But asking people about their opinions on immigration tells you something.
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Uh, no. Libertarians used to call themselves Liberal, but then the Progressives (the American branding of Socialism) ruined that brand and FDR coopted it in a speech (in the same speech he branded Liberals as conservatives). Socialism is not and has never been popular in the States, where people still believe they have the opportunity to make it on their own. If the majority, as you put it, really believe in Socialism (over Capitalism, a brand the Socialists have worked hard and long to isolate and tarnish) then Bernie would have won walking away since the vast majority would be in the Democrat Party. But he didn't.

If you phrase the question, would you rather the government run your life and business or would you rather manage your own affairs, the Socialism goes down in flaming defeat. Even the smartest guy in the room knows that.
 
KingOrfeo said:
:rolleyes: I am using the word in the sense intended by the current consensus of American political discourse. Consensus is the only meaningful way a word can be defined. Consensus reality. Learn it. Live it. Be it.
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No. Consensus does not trump (tee hee) definition. If the consensus said a horse's tail is a leg, then how many legs would a horse have?

FOUR! Calling a tail does not make it a leg. Therefore, when you play loose and fast with language (and even worse statistics) it is up to us to remind you the history and etymology of the terms you use to keep them in the proper context. For far too many years (think Trump and the press) the non-Socialst majority of this nation has just allowed your side to use words willy-nilly and define them on the fly. The internet is making the paradigm shift.
 
KingOrfeo said:
Cite?
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Look at their govt debt:

usgs_line.php
 
KingOrfeo said:
:rolleyes: I am using the word in the sense intended by the current consensus of American political discourse. Consensus is the only meaningful way a word can be defined. Consensus reality. Learn it. Live it. Be it.
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No, words have meanings, you're just trying to pose as something you're not.

Even under the socialist poser "definition of consensus" you're still full of shit.

Call it what it is, California is run by corporatism, not liberalism in ANY sense of the word either by it's real definition or the one where liberty hating socialist are pretending they aren't.
 
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KingOrfeo said:
So what? A state can have a vibrant economy and a high public debt at the same time -- and indefinitely.
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Ok, underguy. Then why not borrow twice as much, hand it out and be twice as prosperous?
 
KingOrfeo said:
Cite?
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Not that you get to demand a citation for anything since you steadfastly refuse to provide citations unless you have a Salon article you were itching to deliver, but:

Debtclock.org.

You are welcome.
 
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Conager said:
Not that you get to demand a citation for anything since you steadfastly refuse to provide citations unless you have a Salon article you were itching to deliver, but:

Debtclock.org.

You are welcome.
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That site says what various government debt levels are. It does not prove any is unsustainable.
 
KingOrfeo said:
Which change over time by consensus. You don't need to be a linguist to know that.
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Doesn't change the fact you're just run of the mill commies hiding behind a misnomer or that California isn't run by either the actual or the bullshit definition of liberalism, not by a long shot. :)
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Uh, no. Libertarians used to call themselves Liberal, but then the Progressives (the American branding of Socialism) ruined that brand and FDR coopted it in a speech (in the same speech he branded Liberals as conservatives). Socialism is not and has never been popular in the States, where people still believe they have the opportunity to make it on their own. If the majority, as you put it, really believe in Socialism (over Capitalism, a brand the Socialists have worked hard and long to isolate and tarnish) then Bernie would have won walking away since the vast majority would be in the Democrat Party. But he didn't.

If you phrase the question, would you rather the government run your life and business or would you rather manage your own affairs, the Socialism goes down in flaming defeat. Even the smartest guy in the room knows that.
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He thinks he knows you but he never will until he walks a mile in your moccasins.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Doesn't change the fact you're just run of the mill commies hiding behind a misnomer or that California isn't run by either the actual or the bullshit definition of liberalism, not by a long shot. :)
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No, but the fact that those are not facts does.
 
KingOrfeo said:
I don't need to do that to know how RWs think; there's no mystery to it.
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Do what?

A role play in which you pretend to be "an uncivilized native american who still walks in mocassins" as seen by your racist friend Rob?
 
KingOrfeo said:
No, but the fact that those are not facts does.
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They are facts.

California is run in textbook corporatism fashion and the consensus liberals set Berkeley on fire in protest against free speech....because they aren't liberals at all in any way shape form or fashion.
 
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