The Taboo cafe (discuss incest related stories here)

Incest(along with non consent) is a category that has a lot of haters and for obvious reasons. Let's face it, in real life little is sexy about either as they are crimes. In real life incest is usually a pretty ugly scenario.

Because of that people don't like seeing it discussed and I can't say I blame them, I feel the same way about non consent and I always try to be careful not to discuss my incest stories/ideas in detail, except occasionally in story ideas.

The flip side is, it means many times we tellers of taboo tales feel we shouldn't discuss our ideas for fear of offending someone or catching flak so this thread can serve as a haven of sorts for like minded authors

So I thought why not start a thread where all of us who enjoy fun consensual FANTASY incest literotica style can hang out and talk shop without offending someone who is sensitive to it and being harassed by people who thing we're demented for our 'tastes'

The title of the thread is obvious and if anyone is offended by the topic they simply need not post here.

I keep saying authors or incest stories, but readers are more than welcome to chime in here with thoughts and ideas and their likes and dislikes and authors who have yet to write one, but are interested can pop in and have a look about and contribute their thoughts.

Here people can feel free to:

Post links to their incest stories and discuss them, why they like them, what made them write them, ask for some critique(let's keep it friendly and constructive).

Discuss and look for help and opinions on story ideas you would like to explore.

If you'd like, you can post links to incest related (actors of course, main stream pseudo incest porn not anything allegedly real for legal reasons) especially if its inspired a story you have written or want to.

Now a few rules of what we won't do here.

First and foremost, respect Laurel's rules. Any story discussed must involve characters 18 and over. Believe it or not lit has a rape rule. Being an incest fan and author I know there is no bigger turn off for most of us than rape in an incest story. If you need to discuss that go to story ideas it should not be discussed there either, but the mod is loose with it. I won't be and will report the post to the AH Mod. Now that does not mean a little reluctance or blackmail type scene can't be discussed, just not flat out non con.

This thread is not to discuss alleged real life experiences. If you want to talk about that time with mommy or Uncle Joe go to the incest is best thread in the fetish forum. This thread is for fictional stories only as this is fiction. I get asked all the time "How do I seduce my mom/sis, my answer is "You don't try, these are stories"

I mentioned linking some hot incest based videos above, but do not link an incest story from a site other than lit, that wouldn't be cool or fair to Laurel.

Aside from that the only rule is let's keep it loose and friendly and if any trolls show up, don't give them the time of day. If they're here to mock the topic they don't need to be fed, they can do that in every other thread. If the topic offends them no one is making them post here.

Figure we can start out with some links to some things from the How To section. Flat out How to write the category and some that simply discuss the topic and why they write them and why people like them.

An analysis on incest

https://www.literotica.com/s/an-analysis-on-incest

Two articles same title, written a few years apart and by different authors

https://www.literotica.com/s/why-i-write-incest-stories-1

https://www.literotica.com/s/why-i-write-incest-stories

I read this when I first came here. It's a guide about scoring well in every category, the incest section is pretty useful

https://www.literotica.com/s/how-to-break-the-literotica-toplist

Another one I checked out while beginning to write my Siblings with Benefits series. This targets sibling stories for the most part. I found it good, but being me went with everything not popular in the category for that series.

https://www.literotica.com/s/realistic-incest-in-stories

something on the topic of why people like this category

https://www.literotica.com/s/why-is-incest-so-hot

This is one by yours truly for hitting the sweet spots in the category, mostly focused on mom/son, but the info can be used for any pairing.

https://www.literotica.com/s/write-incest-like-a-mother-fucker

I'm not great at searching for things here and the above links are what I could find easily. Please feel free to add others, especially if they're yours.

I have 5 sisters. I never fucked any of them, but I met the youngest sister 2 years ago, and I'd fuck her cause I didn't know her like the others. I did fuck a cousin.

NOIRTRASH said:

I have 5 sisters. I never fucked any of them, but I met the youngest sister 2 years ago, and I'd fuck her cause I didn't know her like the others. I did fuck a cousin.

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They would be happy to hear that here

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=955882

lovecraft68 said:

They would be happy to hear that here

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=955882

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Maybe I'll write up a tale of siblings meet for the first time in middle age.

NOIRTRASH said:

Maybe I'll write up a tale of siblings meet for the first time in middle age.

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There's not a lot of those and its too bad, there's a lot of things to work with there with sibs being older and not always 18-20

There was one I think it was "her new bikini" by Detective Specialist about older siblings. I think the brothers wife died tragically and sis helped him through and he falls for her, better story than the title lets on.

Incest as it's written here is usually as fantastic as werewolves and unicorns. The problem is to make it believable. Possibly the common characteristic of the incest reader on Lit is that they want to believe it enough that the suspense of disbelief is not difficult.

Personally I have a hard time with Daddy/daughter stories. I traced my interest in mother/son and sibling stories back to early adolescence, but now I've written enough (mostly not on Lit) that I've worked out a lot of those kinks.

The advantage to writing incest stories is that the characters provide an inherent conflict, and that may simplify the chore of writing a complete story.

NotWise said:

Incest as it's written here is usually as fantastic as werewolves and unicorns. The problem is to make it believable. Possibly the common characteristic of the incest reader on Lit is that they want to believe it enough that the suspense of disbelief is not difficult.

Personally I have a hard time with Daddy/daughter stories. I traced my interest in mother/son and sibling stories back to early adolescence, but now I've written enough (mostly not on Lit) that I've worked out a lot of those kinks.

The advantage to writing incest stories is that the characters provide an inherent conflict, and that may simplify the chore of writing a complete story.

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I agree. Like every category there are factions. Some are happy with a story as easy as mom sees her son's dick and has to fuck him. To me, those are lame, but many like them.

On the other end the other side wants conflict and plot and something with substance, but even the best of those at the end have to succumb to porn absurdity because in reality....mom is just not going to want to mess with their kid no matter what, but as you said, give them enough of a hook and reason and its cool.

Oh, and dad/daughter squicked me for awhile, then I did a few. Its not my fav, but I can pull one off here and there. The absolute creepiest for me for some reason is an uncle, that screams molestation for me, but we're all different.

lovecraft68 said:

The absolute creepiest for me for some reason is an uncle, that screams molestation for me, but we're all different.

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I don't care for that one either, or really any older man/young relative relationship. It's hard to avoid the rape aspect.

The concept of an experienced woman in a caring relationship with a young man translates to Mother/son pretty easily. It works well without the incestuous relationship, but the conflict is not as clear, the character relationships need more attention and the love in that relationship has to be written into the story instead of being inherent in the characters. Reality: Actual Mother/Son is a rare and abusive relationship.

For sibling sex, it's easy to think of them as mutually attracted peers and that is how I fantasize them. This is my favorite incest niche. Reality: There might be some (highly interpretable) evidence for an inherent attraction between siblings, but sibling incest is usually an abusive relationship between an older male and younger female. I've read of (possibly not credible) relationships between older girls and younger siblings where aggression is not obvious.

I've had fun with a step-sister, and a cousin...........

I think the creepy factor is imposed by society. I'm not really sure I have a deep hatred for any aspect of it as long as it's 100% fully consensual for all involved.

I'm not into guy/guy stuff at all, so Father/Son or brother/brother would not be of any interest to me at all. Brother/sister on the other hand .....

my step-sister, and my cousin were both fully consenting when we fooled around

Five_Inch_Heels said:

I think the creepy factor is imposed by society. I'm not really sure I have a deep hatred for any aspect of it as long as it's 100% fully consensual for all involved.

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The creepy factor is imposed by our society. In societies where children are raised communally or where girls and boys are raised separately the creepy factor might be absent or at least reduced. It's easy to fantasize consensual incest and I think that readers of the Incest/Taboo category here insists that it be consensual. In reality that is not the norm, but then that's why the category is a form of fantasy.

I honestly don't quite get why people would be shy about talking about incest on this site. Having been here for a decade I can personally say that we talk about a lot darker things than mere incest without giving it so much as a second thought. It's certainly not rimming or watersports. Now THOSE are taboo subjects.

Sibs that don't meet until middle age are barely siblings though. Sure the genetic issues are the same but frankly in a world with DNA tests a nearly identical argument can be made for anybody who knows this or that is common in their family in the first place. None of the built up years of this is my family is involved. For a story I think that almost works best either as a twist at the end of the story or as something that we the readers know all along but the characters discover it rather late. If you include half siblings it's easy to not have contact at all because they aren't family. My own father has a brother that he wasn't aware of until he was in his 40s, I don't know the entire story but needless to say apparently that's the kind of shit men in the 50's and 60's didn't share with their children. Depending on how far down the cousin and uncles hole you want to go you've got an entirely different issue.

Personally with incest I tend to like the porn heavy approach though. We aren't really dealing with reality and it's standard taboos. AT least not in full effect. One the two has always wanted it and the other is only reluctant. You get to just have fun with that extra bit of naughty thrown in just for whatever.

I always find it odd that the incest crowd seems so opposed to noncon. (though my personal experience has been that the rift is oft exaggerated) So many of the basic incest scenarios seem to hinge heavily on being noncon to one degree or another even if we try not to address it directly. It's like if the first time crowd was strongly against under age. And lets be clear, the rules state one thing. But we know that at least half the first time stories specify that the leads are in fact 18 because if you didn't have them carrying a placard that makes it clear they are 18 it would be obvious that they are not. I bring it up because it seems like a fairly common set up is some variant of if you want to live in this house you have to 'x'. Against daughters its generally that she's a vapid whore who could almost definitely get a job she just prefers not to and ultimately she hates fucking daddy LESS than getting a real job.

I don't like non-con at all. In any story.

There is a power play factor involving one player directing the other to do things or offering their services to others, but even in those, I want the sub to be completely consensual. I don't care if it's a husband offering his wife, a girl offering her mother, a mother offering her son to the weekly Bridge Club or any other combination. Real Non-con is a no-go for me.

Five_Inch_Heels said:

I don't like non-con at all. In any story.

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But non-con can be so ambiguous! The one mother/son story I have up in Incest/Taboo is mildly non-con, involving an average-sized woman and a much larger son who looks like his long-dead father. Their pretty fantastic relationship is initiated as non-con, but ends as consensual.

NotWise said:

is initiated as non-con, but ends as consensual.

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But there's the difference. Convincing a reluctant partner into something they find they enjoy and continue in willingly is a far thing than forcing someone into something they really don't want to do and may even physically resist or want to report as a crime.

Sean Renaud said:

I honestly don't quite get why people would be shy about talking about incest on this site. Having been here for a decade I can personally say that we talk about a lot darker things than mere incest without giving it so much as a second thought. It's certainly not rimming or watersports. Now THOSE are taboo subjects.

Sibs that don't meet until middle age are barely siblings though. Sure the genetic issues are the same but frankly in a world with DNA tests a nearly identical argument can be made for anybody who knows this or that is common in their family in the first place. None of the built up years of this is my family is involved. For a story I think that almost works best either as a twist at the end of the story or as something that we the readers know all along but the characters discover it rather late. If you include half siblings it's easy to not have contact at all because they aren't family. My own father has a brother that he wasn't aware of until he was in his 40s, I don't know the entire story but needless to say apparently that's the kind of shit men in the 50's and 60's didn't share with their children. Depending on how far down the cousin and uncles hole you want to go you've got an entirely different issue.

Personally with incest I tend to like the porn heavy approach though. We aren't really dealing with reality and it's standard taboos. AT least not in full effect. One the two has always wanted it and the other is only reluctant. You get to just have fun with that extra bit of naughty thrown in just for whatever.

I always find it odd that the incest crowd seems so opposed to noncon. (though my personal experience has been that the rift is oft exaggerated) So many of the basic incest scenarios seem to hinge heavily on being noncon to one degree or another even if we try not to address it directly. It's like if the first time crowd was strongly against under age. And lets be clear, the rules state one thing. But we know that at least half the first time stories specify that the leads are in fact 18 because if you didn't have them carrying a placard that makes it clear they are 18 it would be obvious that they are not. I bring it up because it seems like a fairly common set up is some variant of if you want to live in this house you have to 'x'. Against daughters its generally that she's a vapid whore who could almost definitely get a job she just prefers not to and ultimately she hates fucking daddy LESS than getting a real job.

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The westermarck theory if I'm recalling it correctly says we are conditioned as early as in the womb to not be attracted to family members. But it also states that if siblings were separated at a young age, then reintroduced to each other later in life there is a high probability they would be sexually attracted to each other.

As for the distaste for non con in incest my thought is because incest here is fun fantasy and non consent is a reminder that in real life what incest usually is, is rape. So that dose of reality takes away the fun of fantasy incest and is an unwanted reality check, it shames the kink.

I don't know the non con crowd well enough(their benefit, trust me) but my thought is they would feel the same way, here its a kink, a fantasy, they find out their neighbor was raped or here about a rape on the news they are as appalled as anyone else and sometimes I am sure it might give them a little shame on their kink here and there. You read of a brutal rape in the news then come here and find a plot bunny based on it isn't pleasant to most I would think

This thread is a wonderful idea.

NotWise said:

But non-con can be so ambiguous! The one mother/son story I have up in Incest/Taboo is mildly non-con, involving an average-sized woman and a much larger son who looks like his long-dead father. Their pretty fantastic relationship is initiated as non-con, but ends as consensual.

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But of it ends that way, what you're dealing with is reluctance and some "Don't! Stop! Don't! Stop! Hey, don't stop!

Non consent by nature is full out rape where no stays no, but its taken anyway. Things like reluctance is much different.

I've done a couple of bondage incest stories where a family member got themselves 'stuck' was happened across by another family member who decides to take advantage. I do some initial "No, you can't do that," but it turns into "Ohh, that is nice."

Non con is its own thing and it amazes me how that line is really so clear cut, but people here make it grey somehow.

Good Non-Con:

Dad is out of the picture. Mom and son live alone. Mom is getting horny, but won't date even though son tries to convince her to. Son tells Mom about his friend who is a real stud with the college girls. Mom seems curious but says no. All three get together one afternoon and start drinking. Son has a plan and gets Mom drunk enough that the Stud is able to make his mover and fuck her silly. She's not too drunk to remember it all and starts a things with the stud over the next few days. At some point Mom wants to thank the son and they get together and fuck.

Bad Non-con:

Son gets tired of her bitching about being horny and decides to do something. He gets her drunk intentionally, ties her down then has his Frat brothers fuck her for hours. She sobers up during it all and begs for it to stop. Sons denies her demands and tells her she deserves it for teasing him.

lovecraft68 said:

The westermarck theory if I'm recalling it correctly says we are conditioned as early as in the womb to not be attracted to family members. But it also states that if siblings were separated at a young age, then reintroduced to each other later in life there is a high probability they would be sexually attracted to each other.

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I thought the idea was that the aversion to sex between siblings originated from the experience of watching your common parent (mother, normally) raise your sibling. If you weren't raised with your sibling then the effect didn't exist.

Five_Inch_Heels said:

Good Non-Con:

Dad is out of the picture. Mom and son live alone. Mom is getting horny, but won't date even though son tries to convince her to. Son tells Mom about his friend who is a real stud with the college girls. Mom seems curious but says no. All three get together one afternoon and start drinking. Son has a plan and gets Mom drunk enough that the Stud is able to make his mover and fuck her silly. She's not too drunk to remember it all and starts a things with the stud over the next few days. At some point Mom wants to thank the son and they get together and fuck.

Bad Non-con:

Son gets tired of her bitching about being horny and decides to do something. He gets her drunk intentionally, ties her down then has his Frat brothers fuck her for hours. She sobers up during it all and begs for it to stop. Sons denies her demands and tells her she deserves it for teasing him.

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Good examples and easy to follow.

Thing is why I think the line blurs here is the fault of the site. The site claims it wants no real rape, that at some point the person has to start enjoying it yet they have a category called Non consent which is not the same thing.

So its easy to understand why this is not as simple as it should be, the fact they lump reluctance in with it, makes it worse because they are two totally different things.

And Don't even get me started on the way non con continues to be placed into BDSM here because of a readership so uninformed and ignorant it can't understand that the only hard rule in BDSM is consent. But again that is fueled by the sites refusal to enforce its own rules to any degree, there are countless rape stories here and if you report one many times it will be pulled, the issue lies in no real screening process.

But That's all I'll say on it, the intent here is to discuss for the most part a particular topic. I'll leave the non con rules and excuses(I mean uh rules) to the people who think they know all about it

All I know non con in any form is repulsive to me, rape is the one true crime in sex, but some enjoy it so to each their own and I have no issue with that until I have it shoved at me in stories without warning or threads, so again my motivation to do this so we're not squicking people who feel the same way about this.

lovecraft68 said:

But of it ends that way, what you're dealing with is reluctance and some "Don't! Stop! Don't! Stop! Hey, don't stop!

Non consent by nature is full out rape where no stays no, but its taken anyway. Things like reluctance is much different.

I've done a couple of bondage incest stories where a family member got themselves 'stuck' was happened across by another family member who decides to take advantage. I do some initial "No, you can't do that," but it turns into "Ohh, that is nice."

Non con is its own thing and it amazes me how that line is really so clear cut, but people here make it grey somehow.

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Because the line really is grey. "No you can't do that" should be the end. It should never even get to the point of "ohh that is nice". Anything other than full stop right then morphs into that grey area of "surprise sex you didn't know you wanted."

On subject I find the theory that we are conditioned in the womb not to want family combined with the idea that if you are introduced late in life to cancel each other out and say that one or both theories are wrong. I've always assumed it was a matter of familiarity. The same way that most of us have siblings of friends or even maybe a friend we grew up with that the idea of romance with simply sounds odd.

As for meeting late I'd bet it's some kind of natural "that thing is like me and will make kids like me!" that is built into most species.