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I don't know what to say....the news just keeps getting worse....
A sense of doom settled over the American coastline from Louisiana to Florida on Saturday as a massive oil slick spewing from a ruptured well kept growing, and experts warned that an uncontrolled gusher could create a nightmare scenario if the Gulf Stream carries it toward the Atlantic.

...efforts to stem the flow and remove oil from the surface by skimming it, burning it or spiking it with chemicals to disperse it continued with little success....The Coast Guard conceded Saturday that it's nearly impossible to know how much oil has gushed since the April 20 rig explosion, after saying earlier it was at least 1.6 million gallons — equivalent to about 2 1/2 Olympic-sized swimming pools. The blast killed 11 workers and threatened beaches, fragile marshes and marine mammals, along with fishing grounds that are among the world's most productive.
Even at that rate, the spill should eclipse the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident as the worst U.S. oil disaster in history in a matter of weeks. But a growing number of experts warned that the situation may already be much worse.

The oil slick over the water's surface appeared to triple in size over the past two days, which could indicate an increase in the rate that oil is spewing from the well, according to one analysis of images collected from satellites and reviewed by the University of Miami....if the oil gets into the Gulf Stream and carries it to the beaches of Florida, it stands to be an environmental and economic disaster of epic proportions.
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Fuck.

Full story here.
 
Oh Shit call out the mini subs!

From what I understand the blowout preventer, doesn't an it is 1,500 feet down.

Where is the Navy, Woods Hole?

Maybe they need JBJ's finger it the dyke? :D
 
JackLuis said:
From what I understand the blowout preventer, doesn't an it is 1,500 feet down.

Where is the Navy, Woods Hole?

Maybe they need JBJ's finger it the dyke? :D
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Most dykes would object to JBJ sticking his finger in them. What is needed is something to plug the dike. :eek:
 
Every oil slick has a silver lining. Now Obama can renege on his decision to allow drilling in the Gulf...not that it was much of a decision to begin with.

Never mind that the Russians and Chinese are drilling off Cuba just 90 miles from our shores, That we care more for the Environment is more than enough consolation. Given that we're gonna care more about the environment than those other countries doesn't doesn't mean squat to them or reduce our dependence on foreign oil. ;)
 
From hearing the news, the wellhead and pressure release valves are 5,000 feet deep on the ocean floor and the actual well is 18,000 feet deep. They are using submersibles to attempt to cap the well and if that fails, another will be drilled to relieve the pressure and they will cap that.

There is not much good about an oil spill, although seepage always happens in oil and gas rich areas, wells or not.

Amicus
 
D_K_Moon said:
Yeah, and eleven workers are dead. Some silver lining.
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You obviously missed the sarcasm in my statement. I suppose I should have added this :rolleyes: guy at the end of the sentence. I was not making light of those men's deaths.
 
TE999 said:
You obviously missed the sarcasm in my statement. I suppose I should have added this :rolleyes: guy at the end of the sentence. I was not making light of those men's deaths.[/QUOTE]

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That was and is obvious to any rational person, TE, never mind the quacks, the second thing NBC noted was that perhaps Obama might have second thoughts about drilling off the East coast, which of course, would take ten years to produce a thimble full of product.

Amicus
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TE999 said:
Every oil slick has a silver lining. Now Obama can renege on his decision to allow drilling in the Gulf...not that it was much of a decision to begin with.

Never mind that the Russians and Chinese are drilling off Cuba just 90 miles from our shores, That we care more for the Environment is more than enough consolation. Given that we're gonna care more about the environment than those other countries doesn't doesn't mean squat to them or reduce our dependence on foreign oil. ;)
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If there were so many oil rigs in the Gulf that a person could walk to Cancun, it would not reduce our dependence on foreign oil. That will never happen until we reduce our dependence on oil, no matter from where it came.

This oil spill is the worst case scenario and its just the cost of doing business. It's like a coal mine explosion that kills a couple dozen men, except that the coal mine doesn't destroy most living creatures over thousands of square miles.

I don't know why some people think they are not part of the environment. Whether we like it or not, we breath air and drink water. We eat food that comes out of the ocean. There is something unusual about ocean food. It's damn near free. Nobody feeds the fish until they are big enough to eat. They just grow and then we catch them. It's amazing how that works, assuming there are some fish out there.

So while we pursue more oil, we have to watch out for our food as well.

It will increase the costs for a lot of businesses. Anybody who was expecting income from beach front property is sweating right now. All those little roadside stands that sell beach balls is worried, too. Maybe condos and beach balls aren't important when compared to being able to fill up an SUV for less than a weeks pay, but a lot of people will lose a lot more than that.

It will be small comfort when I tell them that we appreciate their sacrifice to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

Next we can work on our dependence on foreign food. Right now, people in China are lining up shipping for Asian shrimp. They should fetch a high price this summer. It's a funny way to reduce dependence on foreign anything.
 
amicus said:
TE999 said:
You obviously missed the sarcasm in my statement. I suppose I should have added this :rolleyes: guy at the end of the sentence. I was not making light of those men's deaths.[/QUOTE]

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That was and is obvious to any rational person, TE, never mind the quacks, the second thing NBC noted was that perhaps Obama might have second thoughts about drilling off the East coast, which of course, would take ten years to produce a thimble full of product.

Amicus
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That's what I thought ami. Silly me. ;)

I don't...in fact it amuses me when they go off half cocked. I think it has more to do with who's posting rather than what's being posted. For writers, many of them can't read or more to the point interpret what's written worth a damn. ;)

I sure called that one. :D
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TE999's point is well taken, any time there is a mine disaster, an oil spill, a forest fire, a bridge collapse, an explosion in a grain elevator or oil refinery, it is always viewed by the bleeding hearts as a means to further regulate industry even more.

They always discount the loss of profit to the company, the industry and the investors, always discount the scarcity of goods brought about by accident and alwas blame it on the profit motive or lack of regulation, neither of which is seldom true.

It remeains the Marxist rhetoric proclaiming class warfare between the wealthy and the poor, which, accoriding to the socialists, would disappear if we were all poverty stricken and poor as a church mouse.

If any of the effete idiots had any idea of the instrinsic safety measures built into any operation they would sing a different and more rational tune.

Amicus
 
TE999 said:
I don't...in fact it amuses me when they go off half cocked. I think it has more to do with who's posting rather than what's being posted. For writers, many of them can't read or more to the point interpret what's written worth a damn. ;)

I sure called that one. :D
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Yeah, you really did. Tap dancing on a grave trying to make political hay. Kind a cheap shot wasn't it? But, then what else should we expect.
 
amicus said:
If any of the effete idiots had any idea of the instrinsic safety measures built into any operation they would sing a different and more rational tune.

Amicus
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I grew up in Alberta around rigs, and I've been on rigs in the McKenzie delta and on the Beaufort. Yes, I have a pretty good idea about the safety measures. But, shit happens. And a disaster is no reason to try to make political cheap shots.
 
Nice try; it is the bleeding heart left dancing on the graves of the 29 miners and 12 oil workers, using their deaths to promote your own agenda of controlling business and industry in a more socialist manner.

Nothing new, that is the usual style of the whiners and complainers of our modern industrial society that keeps you fed, clothed and petrified before our video games.

You deserve to be without energy for a month or so, no electricity for anything, just to wake you up.

Amicus
 
amicus said:
Nice try; it is the bleeding heart left dancing on the graves of the 29 miners and 12 oil workers, using their deaths to promote your own agenda of controlling business and industry in a more socialist manner.

Nothing new, that is the usual style of the whiners and complainers of our modern industrial society that keeps you fed, clothed and petrified before our video games.

You deserve to be without energy for a month or so, no electricity for anything, just to wake you up.

Amicus
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Excuse me? Where have I promoted my agenda on anything? Sober up, old man.
 
bronzeage said:
If there were so many oil rigs in the Gulf that a person could walk to Cancun, it would not reduce our dependence on foreign oil. That will never happen until we reduce our dependence on oil, no matter from where it came.

This oil spill is the worst case scenario and its just the cost of doing business. It's like a coal mine explosion that kills a couple dozen men, except that the coal mine doesn't destroy most living creatures over thousands of square miles.

I don't know why some people think they are not part of the environment. Whether we like it or not, we breath air and drink water. We eat food that comes out of the ocean. There is something unusual about ocean food. It's damn near free. Nobody feeds the fish until they are big enough to eat. They just grow and then we catch them. It's amazing how that works, assuming there are some fish out there.

So while we pursue more oil, we have to watch out for our food as well.

It will increase the costs for a lot of businesses. Anybody who was expecting income from beach front property is sweating right now. All those little roadside stands that sell beach balls is worried, too. Maybe condos and beach balls aren't important when compared to being able to fill up an SUV for less than a weeks pay, but a lot of people will lose a lot more than that.

It will be small comfort when I tell them that we appreciate their sacrifice to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

Next we can work on our dependence on foreign food. Right now, people in China are lining up shipping for Asian shrimp. They should fetch a high price this summer. It's a funny way to reduce dependence on foreign anything.
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A noble screed, but unrealistic. While we're being all green and sensitive, the rest of the world's increasing it's dependence on oil from whatever the source because they're growing their economies instead of worrying about every bird caught in an oil slick. Who among us is willing to give up all the comforts and conveniences of the 21st Century in the offhand chance an accident might happen that would harm the environment or kill someone? If there is an incident such as this current spill things shouldn't come to a screeching halt, you pick up the pieces and move on.
 
D_K_Moon said:
Yeah, you really did. Tap dancing on a grave trying to make political hay. Kind a cheap shot wasn't it? But, then what else should we expect.
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What the deuce are you talking about? Political hay? Cheap shot? :confused:

Speaking of, that was a beaut. :rolleyes: By the way, who's 'we'?
 
Obama's minions deliberately caused this oil leak, just so he could renege on his pledge to do more drilling. It is manipulation of the most foul and cynical kind.

No, I don't really believe that. But if GW Bush had been in office at the time of the spill, you just know there would have been similar piffle posted about him. And yes, I do believe that........Carney
 
amicus said:
Nice try; it is the bleeding heart left dancing on the graves of the 29 miners and 12 oil workers, using their deaths to promote your own agenda of controlling business and industry in a more socialist manner.

Nothing new, that is the usual style of the whiners and complainers of our modern industrial society that keeps you fed, clothed and petrified before our video games.

You deserve to be without energy for a month or so, no electricity for anything, just to wake you up.

Amicus
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"Tap dancing..." is not the simile you want. It's "Waving the bloody shirt." :(
 
Carnevil9 said:
Obama's minions deliberately caused this oil leak, just so he could renege on his pledge to do more drilling. It is manipulation of the most foul and cynical kind.

No, I don't really believe that. But if GW Bush had been in office at the time of the spill, you just know there would have been similar piffle posted about him. And yes, I do believe that........Carney
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Without defending W, I believe that too. He was all but accused of starting Hurricane Katrina. :rolleyes:

ETA: He actually was accused of destroying the levees to flood the city.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/090905levees.htm
 
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Jesus H. Christ on roller skates! If one more person sobs for the birds I'm gonna explode!

This mess has the potential to seriously screw our economy over. Some are already predicting pump prices of $5 a gallon for gas, and plenty are worried about the effect on tourism around the Gulf. And there's not enough money in Limeyland to pay for the damage.
 
JAMESBJOHNSON said:
Jesus H. Christ on roller skates! If one more person sobs for the birds I'm gonna explode!

This mess has the potential to seriously screw our economy over. Some are already predicting pump prices of $5 a gallon for gas, and plenty are worried about the effect on tourism around the Gulf. And there's not enough money in Limeyland to pay for the damage.
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Who in this thread has mentioned the birds??? :confused:

You're right, though. This is one huge turd in the punchbowl. :mad:
 
What this actually highlights is the limitations of response technology. Booms are only effective in 1 to 1.5 meter sea swells. Over that, oil gets past the booms. Dispersants break the oil up but it is is only spread into the sea. Skimmers can only recover about 10 to 15 percent of the slick under ideal conditions and burning not much more. Yes, it is the cost of doing business, but that entails the environemental damage and the loss of revenue to all many other business. And yes, it is BP as the owner but many other contactors, such as Haliburton, are liable to some extent.
 
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