Armed school officer didn't engage shooter...but teachers would have, right?

Suuuuure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...urce-officer-never-went-school-during-n850441

But they strong arm black school kids for lesser offenses.

If he wasn't there, perhaps 18 would have died. Perhaps more. Just the presence of that gun probably deterred him from killing more.

These people suggesting arming teachers, need to have live bullets whizzing around their heads. Let them feel what it is like. Morons.

RoryN said:

Suuuuure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...urce-officer-never-went-school-during-n850441

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A coach died shielding kids with his own body. In other school shootings other teachers have died doing the same.

If someone is brave enough to die to protect a student, reason would have it they could pull the trigger to save those kids.

So how about you think on that from that big spot your fat lazy ass has worn into your chair while you troll the net all day.

You would have run and left those kids to die and you know it.

Offer some other solutions then.. it’s a tough situation that needs addressed.. banning one type of gun or all guns will not work... ok nobody in school with guns that are protectors. Fine

Just pissing from your side of your political party fence is just pissing in the wind..

Let’s assume those pipe dreams even come to fruition.. it’s not going to happen overnight we need measures that ensure school safety today as in the immediate future. We have a govt structure that moves at a snails pace even if everything you would like would happen eventually... we’ll probably all be dead from old age before it happens

Simply sharing that link doesn’t necessarily means the idea should be kyboshed ..

Simply saying I’m a liberal and my side is right helps nobody other than your own righteousness..

What do we do today to help Friday or Monday ?

AngusBridie said:

What do we do today to help Friday or Monday ?

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I am NOT helping Monday. Fuck that whore.

BobaFetaCheese said:

I am NOT helping Monday. Fuck that whore.

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That whore fucks me all the time and I’m left with an empty feeling

lovecraft68 said:

A coach died shielding kids with his own body. In other school shootings other teachers have died doing the same.

If someone is brave enough to die to protect a student, reason would have it they could pull the trigger to save those kids.

So how about you think on that from that big spot your fat lazy ass has worn into your chair while you troll the net all day.

You would have run and left those kids to die and you know it.

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You don't think teachers have enough to do already, without also having to be trained in effectively taking out an armed and undoubtedly deranged assailant? I don't think you can just give someone a gun and say 'here - you're good to go now'. As a parent, I definitely would NOT want my kid in a classroom with that person.

St_mAnn said:

If he wasn't there, perhaps 18 would have died. Perhaps more. Just the presence of that gun probably deterred him from killing more.

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Are you serious? You really think someone who's killed 17 people is suddenly 'deterred' by something?

Try talking to folks who've been there...

I have. Once upon a time, in another life, I was a cop. (I wasn't a city cop, but I qualified with a .38 Special on the Topeka Police Department range with a score of 98 out of a possible 100. So please don't tell me that I don't know anything about firearms.) I was never in a fire fight, but I've talked to men who have been. It isn't pleasant, and they were all scared shitless---in spite of their training. Some of them reported being unable to aim effectively; they just pointed their weapons in the right general direction and pulled the trigger until the damned thing had gone "click, click, click" a few times. (One of them actually dropped his weapon and hid.)

If that's the reaction of trained, experienced police officers, what do you think we'd get from armed teachers?

The cops won their firefights because there were a bunch of them or they had shotguns (loaded with 00 buckshot). Or both. There's a reason why we read about bad guys dying "in a hail of police bullets."

KimGordon67 said:

You don't think teachers have enough to do already, without also having to be trained in effectively taking out an armed and undoubtedly deranged assailant? I don't think you can just give someone a gun and say 'here - you're good to go now'. As a parent, I definitely would NOT want my kid in a classroom with that person.

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I’m not a big fan of teachers with guns either to be honest .. but in another post I mentioned how when I was in high school in the 80s had 2 on duty police officers at all time. In all 3 schools in the city... Perhaps build on that idea until the larger issues are worked out. Sure it sucks more taxes but until some sort of permanent measures are worked out it’s a start

Some of us have long noted now the evident decline of American exceptionalism as those exceptionals simply withdraw from the socialist collective and leave the lemmings to their own devices, ala John Galt. Naturally, after a certain amount of time passes of that American exceptionalism secession, lemmings are eventually all that's left to man the collective's positions, with the traditional exceptionalism-staffed positions now left for much lessers to fill, and thus those failures will only become even more shockingly evident to the collective in total.

Thus, a Democrat Sheriff who failed to enforce Florida's Baker Act upon murderer Nikolas Cruz, even after his Dept. directly came into contact with the killer numerous times after the killer was reported to them for death threats with his weapons.

Thus, too, socialism's intent to collectivize the norm means a possibly once exceptional Deputy position is now populated by a naturally less-abled one, determined by the demonstrated lame leadership of the Democrat Sheriff.

Exceptionalism naturally sacrifices itself if its defense means exceptionalism will prosper = the whole greater good thing. But once exceptionalism determines its glorious essence is not appreciated by lessers, then just as naturally exceptionalism reverts back to simply its own.

Socialists are just about all on their own now, the "America" their collective populates will very soon be totally dependent on no one but their lemming selves, nothing but normal availed to them...

...exceptionalism totally alien to the core of their blase characters.

Hey, at least the #PityTheDisabled tribe will finally be relevant to some group.

lovecraft68 the deplorable said:

...reason would have it they could pull the trigger to save those kids.

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That's the same mentality the security official probably used to get the job. Worked out great, right?

Shouldn't you be spending more time working on your writing? It needs a LOT of work.

Honestly teachers don’t get paid enough to teach.. let alone the rest of it all

KimGordon67 said:

You don't think teachers have enough to do already, without also having to be trained in effectively taking out an armed and undoubtedly deranged assailant? I don't think you can just give someone a gun and say 'here - you're good to go now'. As a parent, I definitely would NOT want my kid in a classroom with that person.

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Why do you hate america?

LewBrishess said:

I have. Once upon a time, in another life, I was a cop. (I wasn't a city cop, but I qualified with a .38 Special on the Topeka Police Department range with a score of 98 out of a possible 100. So please don't tell me that I don't know anything about firearms.) I was never in a fire fight, but I've talked to men who have been. It isn't pleasant, and they were all scared shitless---in spite of their training. Some of them reported being unable to aim effectively; they just pointed their weapons in the right general direction and pulled the trigger until the damned thing had gone "click, click, click" a few times. (One of them actually dropped his weapon and hid.)

If that's the reaction of trained, experienced police officers, what do you think we'd get from armed teachers?

The cops won their firefights because there were a bunch of them or they had shotguns (loaded with 00 buckshot). Or both. There's a reason why we read about bad guys dying "in a hail of police bullets."

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You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, please sit down and shut up like a good little girl. This is America we're talking about!

LewBrishess said:

I have. Once upon a time, in another life, I was a cop. (I wasn't a city cop, but I qualified with a .38 Special on the Topeka Police Department range with a score of 98 out of a possible 100. So please don't tell me that I don't know anything about firearms.) I was never in a fire fight, but I've talked to men who have been. It isn't pleasant, and they were all scared shitless---in spite of their training. Some of them reported being unable to aim effectively; they just pointed their weapons in the right general direction and pulled the trigger until the damned thing had gone "click, click, click" a few times. (One of them actually dropped his weapon and hid.)

If that's the reaction of trained, experienced police officers, what do you think we'd get from armed teachers?

The cops won their firefights because there were a bunch of them or they had shotguns (loaded with 00 buckshot). Or both. There's a reason why we read about bad guys dying "in a hail of police bullets."

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This is what I keep saying. Until you actually have bullets coming at you...you have no fucking clue. Why are our service men so fucked up when they come back home from active service where they have experienced this? Those claiming they could do it are just blowhards

AngusBridie said:

I’m not a big fan of teachers with guns either to be honest .. but in another post I mentioned how when I was in high school in the 80s had 2 on duty police officers at all time. In all 3 schools in the city... Perhaps build on that idea until the larger issues are worked out. Sure it sucks more taxes but until some sort of permanent measures are worked out it’s a start

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I don't think 'on duty police officers' and 'a history teacher holding a gun' are quite the same thing. Do you actually remember the people who were your teachers? Are you really telling me that they're all going to confidently and effectively use a firearm solely against their intended target?

Why don't we just cut out the middle person and arm the kids? At least the majority of them are a tiny bit familiar with first person shooter scenarios, unlike their 63 year old history teacher.
(Engage irony font for that last para.)

AngusBridie said:

Honestly teachers don’t get paid enough to teach.. let alone the rest of it all

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It did cross my mind that arming a woefully underpaid but extremely large group of people might not be the best idea ...

AngusBridie said:

Simply saying I’m a liberal and my side is right helps nobody other than your own righteousness..

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The same mentality and partisan stubbornness just won an election for the deplorables.

Do what works, I say.

KimGordon67 said:

I don't think 'on duty police officers' and 'a history teacher holding a gun' are quite the same thing. Do you actually remember the people who were your teachers? Are you really telling me that they're all going to confidently and effectively use a firearm solely against their intended target?

Why don't we just cut out the middle person and arm the kids? At least the majority of them are a tiny bit familiar with first person shooter scenarios, unlike their 63 year old history teacher.
(Engage irony font for that last para.)

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I think you missed the point. I’m actually agreeing with you

RoryN said:

Suuuuure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...urce-officer-never-went-school-during-n850441

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Republicans say: "Children's lives come and go but the 2nd Amendment is forever!"

er, fuck, I'm giving them ideas...

AngusBridie said:

I think you missed the point. I’m actually agreeing with you

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OK ... your post was a bit confusing.

RoryN said:

The same mentality and partisan stubbornness just won an election for the deplorables.

Do what works, I say.

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The other side isn’t your enemy. I’m not your enemy both political parties and their self serving agendas are