SuperWriter
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I know the loving wives category on here is basically a wasps' nest, do people read and buy them in the real world? I'm thinking about trying my hand in it
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I'm not an expert of any kind in what sells in the published fiction world, but my impression is that there's a very big market for these stories, the vicious LW crowd notwithstanding. Even here on Lit there are many readers who enjoy these stories. It's just that their voices tend to get drowned out by the others.
I'm not an expert of any kind in what sells in the published fiction world, but my impression is that there's a very big market for these stories, the vicious LW crowd notwithstanding. Even here on Lit there are many readers who enjoy these stories. It's just that their voices tend to get drowned out by the others.
It's a tricky term, cuckold. To some, it needs to involve humiliation of the husband/boyfriend. To others, it's just any story where a woman has sex outside of her relationship, even if it's with her partner's consent or encouragement. To attract the right reader, it's valuable to have an informative description.
FYI SuperWriter, your avatar link directs clickers to their own stories rather than yours. You need a fixed link.
Its very popular in the paid market and since people are spending money they're the people who really want to read it so you don't get mindless hate filled spew you get here.
Well, somewhat.
My intuitive response to the original question was that cuckoldry is a niche trash fetish, and so presumably does worse than dinosaur porn.
But, hey, what the hell do I know, so I went to find out the answer, and based on the 701 novels/novellas listed under that category on Goodreads, I might be wrong. (Also, dinosaur porn is apparently also doing well, though I was unable to find a comparison of their relative popularity.)
Whether that's a sign that the market is already saturated or is begging for more, I have no idea.
The "somewhat" is from the bewildered reviews to some of those novels, where you have someone who never considered that "hotwife" means anything other than a rather attractive married woman, thought the cheating described in the book's blurb was just a setup to a classic romance story where the couple overcame the infidelity and ended up back together, and leaves a review akin to someone who is trying to figure out why their waiter just took a shit in their bowl of soup and is still expecting a tip.
Its very popular in the paid market and since people are spending money they're the people who really want to read it so you don't get mindless hate filled spew you get here.
One thing you have to realize is that most toxic commenters actually read the whole story before commenting. In most cases, they are closet fans of the theme(who else would read a whole story of multiple pages in the theme they hate? ), and it's the way they let out the angst they had felt from reading the story. That means you did a good job as a writer. So consider most of the toxic commenters as your readers too. That adds up to a big number.
One thing you have to realize is that most toxic commenters actually read the whole story before commenting.
How could this possibly be known? There's nothing that prevents someone from commenting on a story before reading any of it at all. You have done a study that shows that "most toxic commenters" have commented on something in each paragraph of a story?
How could this possibly be known? There's nothing that prevents someone from commenting on a story before reading any of it at all. You have done a study that shows that "most toxic commenters" have commented on something in each paragraph of a story?
But in many cases readers say something about the ending, indicating they read to the end. I had a reader say he liked the story until the last sentence, which ruined it for him. So, I knew that reader at least read to the end.
Actually, you only know that the reader read something AT the end. They could have skipped right to the end to comment on something there to make you think (apparently successfully so) that they read the whole story so you'd give more credence to their comment. Folks want to reduce stuff to scientifically knowable that isn't scientifically knowable.
Well, you're right, but I doubt there's anyone here -- certainly not me -- that "wants to reduce stuff to scientifically knowable". The standard here at Lit is a lot lower than that. Somewhere between "reasonably plausible" and "more likely than not" is all that people want or offer.
Well, you're right, but I doubt there's anyone here -- certainly not me -- that "wants to reduce stuff to scientifically knowable". The standard here at Lit is a lot lower than that. Somewhere between "reasonably plausible" and "more likely than not" is all that people want or offer.
One thing you have to realize is that most toxic commenters actually read the whole story before commenting. In most cases, they are closet fans of the theme(who else would read a whole story of multiple pages in the theme they hate? ), and it's the way they let out the angst they had felt from reading the story. That means you did a good job as a writer. So consider most of the toxic commenters as your readers too. That adds up to a big number.
Well I'm not sure how you can say most. If a comment goes into detail and is long winded-and you see a lot of those in LW-odds are they did read it,
But...the countless "Typical cuck garbage" and "One star for this shit" more likely than not are the category trolls who just bash up and down whatever category they don't like.
The one thing for certain in any conversation like this is nothing is certain, we have no idea what other people are doing or not doing.
And probably don't read the story at all. There are methodical trolls who hit multiple stories within minutes of each other, and within minutes of a story going live, just to game the first rankings for new stories. It's demonstrably worse for contest stories, but they hit non-contest stories too. Sweeps clear the junk votes up over time, but I reckon a story has to be 20 - 30 days old before the scores settle and give you whatever "reliable" indication you take away from the scoring system.I’ve had negative comments show up minutes after posting.
Usually my scores start out at 1.4 then move up as time passes. There’s a group of voters in Loving Wives who vote quickly and harshly.
Oh ya, I don't normally even consider those short spamming. Some people just spam comments without reading. And I think I made a mistake by saying "Most".
At the same time, we have to think about what the toxic commenter gain by doing that. They are obviously getting some pleasure from that. Most stories hint beforehand through title, description or the first paragraph about the theme of the story. If I don't like a theme, I don't even bother wasting my time by even opening that story. So why would someone who hates cuckold themes would want to even open a story like that? It results from the inner struggle in them that comes from them being attracted to the theme, but due to their main principles, they are angry about being attracted to it. I think It is that inner anger they let out from being toxic as a guilty pleasure.