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Triad Writer - who was your editor? The site editor (Laurel) if anything strips code from text, but doesn't (so far as I know) go through and add breaks.

Mind you, I draft and submit in .rtf, because I've found it most closely replicates the final product. I used to use .txt, but for some reason that didn't work when the site changed the entry page format. Folk who submit in .doc and .docx often report format glitches - another reason I use .rtf
 
electricblue66 said:
Triad Writer - who was your editor? The site editor (Laurel) if anything strips code from text, but doesn't (so far as I know) go through and add breaks.

Mind you, I draft and submit in .rtf, because I've found it most closely replicates the final product. I used to use .txt, but for some reason that didn't work when the site changed the entry page format. Folk who submit in .doc and .docx often report format glitches - another reason I use .rtf
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I read it that TriadWriter was putting only one paragraph mark between paragraphs. That indeed will be changed to two paragraph marks (resulting in an extra line feed between paragraphs), because that's the standard format at Literotica (and at some other story sights as well). I imagine the Web site's setup program does it. Laurel doesn't have the time to correct paragraphing in submitted stories that don't follow the site formatting.

The format here also will reduce double or one-and-a-half line spacing to single and will start paragraphs flush left, without indent. That's the format here.
 
KeithD said:
No, context alone on a shift will not be understood by all readers. Just get over it and follow the standard here.

And, snort, I've probably been working in publishing longer than you've been alive.
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Description alone is all you need, period. IF you do it correctly and make clear what character you're now following, where they are, and what time it is. This is not an opinion, but a fact that many writers and authors know.

Frankly, I don't believe for a second you're remotely involved with the industry, because if you are, that means any ol' shmuck with half-assed manuscripts can submit their work and be published, which would explain why so many people seem to have this asinine idea that special characters should be used for simple scene transitions.

But sure, go right ahead, let's not raise the bar here at all, let's allow new writers to suck at writing scene transitions. Let's not encourage better descriptions that would make it obvious it's a new scene.

Asinine.
 
electricblue66 said:
Triad Writer - who was your editor? The site editor (Laurel) if anything strips code from text, but doesn't (so far as I know) go through and add breaks.

Mind you, I draft and submit in .rtf, because I've found it most closely replicates the final product. I used to use .txt, but for some reason that didn't work when the site changed the entry page format. Folk who submit in .doc and .docx often report format glitches - another reason I use .rtf
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I was never made aware of the changes until I looked at the page itself. I manually copy/paste all my work into the submission form. In the case of the original as well, and the result was what I stated. Since then, I've defaulted to that format when posting stories here.
 
KeithD said:
Oh, dear Lord God, save us from "it's all about me" writers.
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I never said it was "all about me". I could say a few choice words here, but I'm not going to waste my time with you any more than I already have.

Consider yourself blocked, I'm tired of arguing with you about this. Continuing to do so would be fucking stupid.

Furthermore, I'm done here. I'll continue writing for the site, but I'm done trying to make conversation here, particularly since one of the first days I decided to, has resulted in this asinine argument.

Today has proven yet again I was right to ignore this forum.
 
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TriadWriter said:
Today has proven yet again I was right to ignore this forum.
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Don't judge the forum based on one person and one argument. On the whole, it's a friendly bunch, once you get to know the various personalities and navigate selectively :).
 
KeithD said:
Nope. Four in manuscripts going to publishers.
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Three is the publisher standard too, unless your publisher just goes by the three or more rule. If you google 'asterisk breaks', search results advising authors on scene break standards specifically say three. I could provide several links, but not sure that's allowed. In general, odd numbers are more pleasing to the eye since there will always be a "middle", so it makes sense from that perspective too.
At any rate, none of the sites recommended four as being a standard in publishing houses or elsewhere. If you know of some, I'd love to see since I'm truly interested in publishing standards for fiction (have published non so I know those).
 
Alice_Rosaleen said:
Three is the publisher standard too, unless your publisher just goes by the three or more rule. If you google 'asterisk breaks', search results advising authors on scene break standards specifically say three. I could provide several links, but not sure that's allowed. In general, odd numbers are more pleasing to the eye since there will always be a "middle", so it makes sense from that perspective too.
At any rate, none of the sites recommended four as being a standard in publishing houses or elsewhere. If you know of some, I'd love to see since I'm truly interested in publishing standards for fiction (have published non so I know those).
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OK, thanks, you provide grounding to use the three asterisks (and some references through the search you suggested specified fiction). I hadn't encountered that in working with over thirty mainstream publishers (I could provide a list of them), but you've shown that three are a standard with some publishers.

The point remains that, if you intend a section break, publishers want them marked so there's no question that's what you intend. How they appear in the finished work is the publisher's prerogative.
 
electricblue66 said:
Don't judge the forum based on one person and one argument. On the whole, it's a friendly bunch, once you get to know the various personalities and navigate selectively :).
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Every forum I've been to, where an argument like that has started in the first week of activity, has been a shit show. Turns out, this one has the record for how fast some douche comes out of the woodwork. So you'll excuse me if I defer to experience here.
I'm sure there are a lot of nice people here, but the Author's Hangout was my only reason for bothering to post on this forum at all, and if this is the place I'll have to deal with this shit, then I don't have any reason to be here.

Oh, and for actual, serious writers that might be in this thread, and read this, don't bother asking people here about writing, do yourself a favor, and do some actual research on the matter, it takes all of five fucking seconds to type in a google search for what you need, and there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or more sites that will provide you with more accurate information than you're getting here.
 
TriadWriter said:
Oh, and for actual, serious writers that might be in this thread, and read this, don't bother asking people here about writing, do yourself a favor, and do some actual research on the matter, it takes all of five fucking seconds to type in a google search for what you need, and there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or more sites that will provide you with more accurate information than you're getting here.
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Yes, I agree, Google is your friend, and all you get are opinions here, but I say again, please don't judge the place on the input from a single person. You've actually joined in the mud-slinging with your emphasis above, which was a cheap shot and a little unnecessary.

I've been on AH for four years, and I can tell you my first month or so were no different (and the same individual was central to that). I learned to work around him and mostly now, we get along. It just takes a while to sort out the folk here - so give peace a chance, you know? :)
 
Does TriadWriter have any stories here at all? I can't bring such an account up on either a member or an author search. Links to anything published here? Is this is a drive-by self-proclaimed "expert"?
 
KeithD said:
Does TriadWriter have any stories here at all? I can't bring such an account up on either a member or an author search. Links to anything published here? Is this is a drive-by self-proclaimed "expert"?
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I looked for him a few days ago and didn't turn him up.
 
It's sort of weird--to be able to post without a registered account. And there's a poster over on the GB who is flooding the place with stolen images and has "loves spam" under their avatar. I thought "loves spam" means the poster is banned or suspended. Yet this one is posting away.
 
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Crackpottery here I come!

Did anyone ever wonder, what turns Oblimo into a slavering crackpot-sounding paranoiac?

Well...

To everyone using Google Docs —

There are Google employees (or contractors or subcontractors) either text analyzing or actually reading your unpublished porn. Right now. I guaran-fucking-tee it. I’ve seen it.


To anyone using a free cloud service to store data:
None of that data is private. NONE. The cloud service is using your data to assemble behavioral profiles.

To anyone using a paid cloud service:
You have privacy until your cloud server’s security is compromised. Guess what? It’s compromised.


The more important the security of a datum is to you, the more you should keep it away from the cloud.

In the end, it’s a cost-benefit analysis. Just keep in mind that anything anyone says about “cloud security” is a myth, and they are reading your porn.
 
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TriadWriter said:
Description alone is all you need, period. IF you do it correctly and make clear what character you're now following, where they are, and what time it is. This is not an opinion, but a fact that many writers and authors know.
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Oh you sweet summer alt child.
 
NotWise said:
Your crackpottery would get more attention if you started a new thread.
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I don’t want to walk into AH, plonk down a soapbox, and jump up and down on it until everyone iggies me. My crackpottery just has occasional flare-ups.

Like herpes.
 
Oblimo said:
I don’t want to walk into AH, plonk down a soapbox, and jump up and down on it until everyone iggies me. My crackpottery just has occasional flare-ups.

Like herpes.
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I think your post would have fit on the latest "plagiarism accusation" thread.
 
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