Is this abuse? (Caning videos)

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My wife and I got a cane several months back, and we liked it so much, we got another smaller one. We love the stinginess, but neither of us are into severe punishment. I thought that I’d look at some online videos because I was curious, and to see if there were some techniques to be learned. Besides, who doesn’t enjoy seeing a girl’s bare ass? Some of the videos that I found were fun, but others left me wondering whether true abuse was involved in making these videos. By “true abuse,” I’m not referring to simulated roleplaying abuse that is performed in some BDSM videos. I get it that some people enjoy being “used” and “abused” during role playing. In some of the (simulated-abuse) roleplaying videos, they have an elaborate dungeon set, and they interview the girl at the beginning and the end of the videos, and they make a point of showing the girl saying that she had a good time with the role playing, even though the role was pretty severe and abusive. Those videos aren’t really my thing, but they don’t bother me. The videos that bother me are the ones which seem to show a girl being severely beaten with a cane, usually with no warmup. Some of the questions that come to mind are: Would anyone really submit to this if they weren’t being paid? Did they really know what they were getting into? Is there something that I’m not getting? Are these examples of the dark side of porn, or is it just something that I don’t understand completely?

Here are two videos that caught my attention:

hc8_caned_wife_hard_caning_crying
In the first video, there’s a grown woman involved, and it looks like she may have some faint bruises already visible on her butt when here skirt is removed. There is zero warmup. The first strike is at 2:10 and she already is severely marked by 4:00 (less than 2 minutes later) and the beating continues for some time afterwards. Is this something where afterwards, the woman says “Whew! That was intense! Good job!” Or is this something where she receives her money and then goes home and cries as she applies first aid to her skin?

four_girls_hard_caned
In the second video, there are four fairly young girls (maybe 19 years old? I’m assuming legal) that are severely punished by caning. There is no warm up, and each girl is severely marked before they are evening half way through the caning. Did they really know what they were getting into? I find it more plausible that the older woman in the first video might actually enjoy such spanking to some extent. However, these girls seem to be pretty young to have gotten into severe caning like this on their own.

I try to be open minded and non-judgmental, and I understand that some people are into really intense spankings. However, are the two videos linked above examples of real abuse? Or just play? Any opinions on this stuff?
 
Would anyone really submit to this if they weren’t being paid?

Without a doubt.

Did they really know what they were getting into?

At least one of them.

Is there something that I’m not getting?

Different strokes for different folks. :D

Are these examples of the dark side of porn,

Maybe, but some people thrive in darkness, and that's okay.

or is it just something that I don’t understand completely?

It's not for everyone, and I can only speak for myself, but if you don't understand the need to be used, including being whipped black and blue if it comes to that, then probably. :)

But that's just me.

PS: To me, abuse implies something unwanted, or at least unsanctioned. If I don't say no up front, have at it.
 
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Would anyone really submit to this if they weren’t being paid?

Yes.

Did they really know what they were getting into?

Maybe.

Are these examples of the dark side of porn, or is it just something that I don’t understand completely?

No, this is regular porn. This does not necessarly mean that they don't regret it afterwards. This is true for plain vanilla porn, too. Just because nobody is crying in the vanilla movie doesn't mean that they are not crying afterwards and vice versa.

In the first movie she is not tied up at all. If she wanted to turn around to end it, she could. In the second movie she does scream a lot, but she doesn't say anything. She screams way too low. Someone in panic screams different. And she stays in her role all the time.

This is so "regular" porn, it could come from Naughty America.
 
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What would you do for 2000$. Endure not being able to sit down comfortably for a week? How long is one of those young girls careers? Long enough to pay for Westerveldt college courses? Do you see that sort of damage inflicted during no-commercial porn activities?

Boxers and MMA get beat up regularly for money. Is that abuse?
 
I've gotten bruises on my ass similar to that without getting paid.

The only way it is abuse is if the models were coerced into doing the shoot, or were not fully informed concerning what would be expected of them.

I watched both videos and both aroused me very quickly. In both of them I reached my goal way before the end.

I don't think it is all that extreme.
 
caned wife.

I agree......I would look at this like a tv critic. There is no screaming. It appears to be hard, but make up could be used to make the marks more intense. She doesn't move, doesn't kick her legs. There is no restraint.

More importantly, did it arouse you. I was aroused.
 
All types of porn industry could be viewed as abuse if people are forced to do something they don't agree to. But we have to accept that when we watch porn. The funders and the investors probably make more money than the actors.

I agree with Primalex, people have regrets later in life about a lot of things including porn. So really if they consented and got paid it's not really abuse. But how can we know for sure?

We can't

Sam xx
 
Thanks for the comments, everyone.

It appears to be hard, but make up could be used to make the marks more intense.
I was curious about the marking as well, and whether they used make-up or something to enhance the marking. With the “caned wife,” there are several camera breaks, so it’s possible. However, based on other videos, I’m guessing that there was no make up and that the marking is completely real. With the other video, there are long uninterrupted views. The red marks don’t appear immediately, but you can see them slowly appear. It's an interesting study if anyone would like to witness this phenomenon.

The only way it is abuse is if the models were coerced into doing the shoot, or were not fully informed concerning what would be expected of them.
That would be my concern. I would think that the older woman (in the first video) would have been more likely to have known what was going on, though I wondered if she was a little drunk. I wondered if the much younger girls in the second video were coerced or not fully informed.

In the second movie she does scream a lot, but she doesn't say anything. She screams way too low. Someone in panic screams different. And she stays in her role all the time.
That’s an Interesting observation.

Boxers and MMA get beat up regularly for money. Is that abuse?
Boxers know exactly what they’ll encounter with each fight. I’d like to think that everyone in the videos above knew as well.

Thanks again for everyone's input.
 
If it makes you feel any better, in most countries, proof of age (driver's license or passport--usually the former in the US and the latter in Europe), consent forms (I agree to do x for y amount of money), and forms that give the photographer(s) the rights to all the resulting photos and/or videos must all be signed before a shoot can begin.

I'm not saying that it's foolproof, just that nobody went into this completely blind. They all had to have at least some idea of what was going on.
 
4 girls

timing is so important. The strike, then a gasp or scream, ass dancing. all of this could be acting. Also, look at how hard the master is striking the girl.
 
Some of the questions that come to mind are: Would anyone really submit to this if they weren’t being paid?

That's a question worth asking, but the way we ask it about adult work ought to be measured against the way we ask it about other paid employment. Would you be troubled if you learned that a waiter at your favourite restaurant was only showing up for the money, not because they loved waiting tables?

"I'm doing this for the money" doesn't necessarily make somebody a victim. There's a bit more nuance than that.
 
The only way it is abuse is if the models were coerced into doing the shoot, or were not fully informed concerning what would be expected of them.

I watched both videos and both aroused me very quickly. In both of them I reached my goal way before the end.

I don't think it is all that extreme.

In the grand scheme of things, assuming that those women were masochists (and based on the non-panicky (seeming more scripted than a genuine response to pain and fear) reactions, I'd say they were, this is par for the course for many girls, too much for some, and rather mundane to others.

I also got pretty fired up. Guess I am just a legit sadist after all. Not that this is news to me, but I actually found myself questioning whether it was ethical to have a hard-on in response to this depiction. In final analysis, ethics have shit to do with it. It's just the way I tick.

Consensual activity between two adults is just that, and by definition is not abuse. If consenting adults are in a situation where one gets hurt badly enough or is tended poorly enough to need to go to an ER might be negligence on the part of the distributor of pain, but if consensual, anyone with any reverence to this lifestyle, unless they know something personal about the people involved, need to stay the hell out of it.
 
The only thing abusive in these vids is asking these people to act , something which is obviously above their paygrade .

Having to lean on a cold kitchen countertop could also be seen as abusive .
 
four_girls_hard_caned
In the second video, there are four fairly young girls (maybe 19 years old? I’m assuming legal) that are severely punished by caning. There is no warm up, and each girl is severely marked before they are evening half way through the caning. Did they really know what they were getting into? I find it more plausible that the older woman in the first video might actually enjoy such spanking to some extent. However, these girls seem to be pretty young to have gotten into severe caning like this on their own.

I try to be open minded and non-judgmental, and I understand that some people are into really intense spankings. However, are the two videos linked above examples of real abuse? Or just play? Any opinions on this stuff?

I'm in a weird mood today and I watched this vid. If those girls were just acting frightened and upset then it was amazing acting. Hopefully they were paid well - they earned it.

Never tried this type of play and don't intend to but I am embarrassed to say I found myself aroused watching.
 
Also, in my experience anyway, being frightened and even upset is part of the experience. If I'm not terrified (in a particular situation), you're doing it wrong.
 
My wife and I got a cane several months back, and we liked it so much, we got another smaller one. We love the stinginess, but neither of us are into severe punishment. I thought that I’d look at some online videos because I was curious, and to see if there were some techniques to be learned. Besides, who doesn’t enjoy seeing a girl’s bare ass? Some of the videos that I found were fun, but others left me wondering whether true abuse was involved in making these videos. By “true abuse,” I’m not referring to simulated roleplaying abuse that is performed in some BDSM videos. I get it that some people enjoy being “used” and “abused” during role playing. In some of the (simulated-abuse) roleplaying videos, they have an elaborate dungeon set, and they interview the girl at the beginning and the end of the videos, and they make a point of showing the girl saying that she had a good time with the role playing, even though the role was pretty severe and abusive. Those videos aren’t really my thing, but they don’t bother me. The videos that bother me are the ones which seem to show a girl being severely beaten with a cane, usually with no warmup. Some of the questions that come to mind are: Would anyone really submit to this if they weren’t being paid? Did they really know what they were getting into? Is there something that I’m not getting? Are these examples of the dark side of porn, or is it just something that I don’t understand completely?

Here are two videos that caught my attention:

hc8_caned_wife_hard_caning_crying
In the first video, there’s a grown woman involved, and it looks like she may have some faint bruises already visible on her butt when here skirt is removed. There is zero warmup. The first strike is at 2:10 and she already is severely marked by 4:00 (less than 2 minutes later) and the beating continues for some time afterwards. Is this something where afterwards, the woman says “Whew! That was intense! Good job!” Or is this something where she receives her money and then goes home and cries as she applies first aid to her skin?

four_girls_hard_caned
In the second video, there are four fairly young girls (maybe 19 years old? I’m assuming legal) that are severely punished by caning. There is no warm up, and each girl is severely marked before they are evening half way through the caning. Did they really know what they were getting into? I find it more plausible that the older woman in the first video might actually enjoy such spanking to some extent. However, these girls seem to be pretty young to have gotten into severe caning like this on their own.

I try to be open minded and non-judgmental, and I understand that some people are into really intense spankings. However, are the two videos linked above examples of real abuse? Or just play? Any opinions on this stuff?

Euch...caned wife would have to be gagged....that noise is irritating :cool:
 
Euch...caned wife would have to be gagged....that noise is irritating :cool:

Agreed :)

I only watched the first couple of minutes of this one because the fake sobbing got so irritating. But in amongst that vocalising, there were no noticeable yelps when the strokes landed or any flinching from her. So, either she's a willing masochist, in which case don't worry about her, or it's being faked, in which case don't worry about her.
 
not abuse, i reckon, but boy did they all seem to quickly regret *that* paycheck.

and can i say how sorry i felt for the third girl? it seems to me that she got ten extra simply because she was remaining fairly calm. i guess that doesn't make for good viewing?

note to self: cane...never.
 
Just a quick comment on the second vid....that isn't severe marking, honestly, it just isn't. I've had stripes like that that fade after a couple of days....barely any bruising either. And I'm a major wuss where the cane is concerned.
 
Just a quick comment on the second vid....that isn't severe marking, honestly, it just isn't. I've had stripes like that that fade after a couple of days....barely any bruising either. And I'm a major wuss where the cane is concerned.

god gods, seriously?
wow.
just *looking* at a cane gives me mild heart failure ;p
thanks for that...i would have placed all my money on "girl, you gonna regret that" after watching those.
hell, i can't believe i watched them at all...
:)
happy saturday, everyone!
 
god gods, seriously?
wow.
just *looking* at a cane gives me mild heart failure ;p
thanks for that...i would have placed all my money on "girl, you gonna regret that" after watching those.
hell, i can't believe i watched them at all...
:)
happy saturday, everyone!

Everyone is different in how they react. I detest the cane, but it's not a limit so when the Domly one's in sadistic cunt mode, out comes the cane :cool:

This had gone after 3 days, and this was cane & belt.
 
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