Incest has become mainstream.

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The most recent books and then made for TV series featuring incest had been Game of Thrones It was/is wildly popular, but it's storyline didn't have incest as it main theme, simply one of many.

Now FX has Taboo. The story and title revolve around a half brother and sister. Although still treated in a historical fashion, it opens the door to more modern tellings.

It seems only a matter of time before laws forbidding any consensual adult relationship are struck down.

-MM
 
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The most recent books and then made for TV series featuring incest had been Game of Thrones It was/is wildly popular, but it's storyline didn't have incest as it main theme, simply one of many.

Now FX has Taboo. The story and title revolve around a half brother and sister. Although still treated in a historical fashion, it opens the door to more modern tellings.

It seems only a matter of time before laws forbidding any consensual relationship are struck down.

-MM

I respectfully disagree.

They'll always be laws against incest and incestuous relationships between mother and daughter/son, father and daughter/son, aunt and niece/nephew, uncle and niece/nephew, grandmother and granddaughter/grandson, and grandfather and granddaughter/grandson, especially underage relationships.

The moral majority and the Bible belt of Bible thumping, guilt riddled, church goers still rule this country and control the legislators.

Besides, there's no need to change laws when people do whatever they want behind closed bedroom doors. Just because incest and incestuous relationships are fictionalized on TV and on the big screen doesn't make them right. It just makes for good entertainment.

Think about it. Look at all the trouble we've had and are still having over gay marriages and the right to have abortions.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's between consenting adults of legal age, we should be able to do whatever we want with our bodies.

"Daddy, wipe more of that chocolate syrup all over my big tits. I like watching you lick it off."

 
I respectfully disagree.

They'll always be laws against incest and incestuous relationships between mother and daughter/son, father and daughter/son, aunt and niece/nephew, uncle and niece/nephew, grandmother and granddaughter/grandson, and grandfather and granddaughter/grandson, especially underage relationships.

The moral majority and the Bible belt of Bible thumping, guilt riddled, church goers still rule this country and control the legislators.

Besides, there's no need to change laws when people do whatever they want behind closed bedroom doors. Just because incest and incestuous relationships are fictionalized on TV and on the big screen doesn't make them right. It just makes for good entertainment.

Think about it. Look at all the trouble we've had and are still having over gay marriages and the right to have abortions.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's between consenting adults of legal age, we should be able to do whatever we want with our bodies.

"Daddy, wipe more of that chocolate syrup all over my big tits. I like watching you lick it off."


Australia also has laws against it and people do go to gaol for it. There are issues that would need to be addressed before the laws are loosened. The most obvious is one of duress, which is assumed in most cases of incest where people in a dominant position exploit those who are vulnerable.

The second is expense. As I understand it, where there are resulting children with the vastly diminished gene pool, they are more susceptible to hideous syndromes necessitating care at tax payer expense for 85 years if female and 80 years if male on average. Preventing one such admission is a considerable saving. Of course, not all the progeny of incest have such problems but the odds are higher. Therefore, asserting the right to do with one's body as one wants has risks and responsibilities.

Perhaps outcest is a lot more fun and isn't so likely to result in one being outcast.
 
It would be a time beyond the current political atmosphere in the United States.

I dunno...I seem to remember something about our current President agreeing with Howard Stern about how nice a "piece of ass" Ivanka is...

Here you go, NOIRTRASH, there's your go-to story idea for "Political Erotica"! :D
 
To the OP: If the central tenet of your argument is a cable television show, called, "TABOO"...

...your argument might be invalid.
 
I dunno...I seem to remember something about our current President agreeing with Howard Stern about how nice a "piece of ass" Ivanka is...

Here you go, NOIRTRASH, there's your go-to story idea for "Political Erotica"! :D

So far the Executive Orders have fallen right into line with the Republican Congress' rush to the Dark Ages.
 
This very Evening, there's a major Court Case about a 29 year-old bloke who seems to have very real medical problems which, it is claimed, are the result of his Granddad screwing his Mum.
 
It seems only a matter of time before laws forbidding any consensual relationship are struck down.

The appearance of incest as a plot point in a movie has nothing at all to do with whether it's being normalized or accepted, any moreso than is the case with the use of, say, rape or murder or meth dealing as plot points.

Taboo certainly gets some prurient mileage out of James and Zilpha but it in no way portrays their relationship as healthy and Delaney himself is at best an anti-hero, one of whose defining traits is depravity. Anyone who imagines this is normalizing incest -- which is a fucking creepy agenda anyway -- is kidding themselves. (It's a brilliant show, though.)
 
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Perhaps we should have said legal age consenting relationships in our original post. We'd just binged watched all of the episodes that are available.

As for Taboo; it is a fairly dark relationship. It is questionable as to why the relationship is the way that it is. That could be more about society than the love James has (and spoiler alert Zilpha may return).

Our point was that stories like these open the door to more modern tellings with truly loving relationships. The more the concept is in the mainstream, the more it is explored and that includes healthy relationships where the parties are equals.

-MM
 
IRL incest is common and attractive enough to spawn taboos in many cultures -- depending on definitions. See my funny essay What Is Incest? for some complexities. Some societies and subcultures *require* what most modern Westerners would call incest. Others define even no-shared-DNA sex as incest. The boundary between acceptance and taboo is pretty shifty.

Back to the OP: Incest and other quasi-taboo and even criminal subjects have occupied mainstream literature and art in many societies for a long, long time. (Cf murder stories.) But dramatization ain't the same as acceptance. Sibling and parent-child sex may feature in many tales but we don't usually see them with Happy Ever After conclusions.
 
Perhaps we should have said legal age consenting relationships in our original post. We'd just binged watched all of the episodes that are available.

As for Taboo; it is a fairly dark relationship. It is questionable as to why the relationship is the way that it is. That could be more about society than the love James has (and spoiler alert Zilpha may return).

Our point was that stories like these open the door to more modern tellings with truly loving relationships. The more the concept is in the mainstream, the more it is explored and that includes healthy relationships where the parties are equals.

-MM

Incest is wildly popular everywhere. Just look at how it dominates here and in regular porn 'step mom' was the number one search in 2016 for porn and many of those vids are 'real mom' and sister etc.

I recently found out that on twitter any account posting sex photos with incest captions has followers out the ass.

Its hilarious how big it is while people keep saying how sick it is at the same time. Someone is lying to themselves.
 
That's wonderful to hear. Doesn't have anything to do with mom incest, but it's great to know you'll be wearing a shirt to the darts tournament. :D
 
My She persisted T-shirt is due in on Friday. My nephew is getting one as well and we're wearing them to the bar for the dart tournament on Saturday. Surrounded by 'real men' who are loving the fact President Bannon wants to take women's rights back to a day where Handsinthedark would long for.

Its going to be a very good time.

So, is this an admission that you were wrong to vote for the guy? Just curious.
 
Glad to see that Taboo's getting a wide airing – it's the penultimate part here on Saturday and it's been riveting viewing.

However, as others have mentioned, the very title suggests that incest is still regarded as taboo. Back in 1991 Stephen Poliakoff wrote and directed the film Close My Eyes for FilmFour in which the core story line was brother-sister incest. It didn't result in any dramatic public acceptance of incest.

However, it is worth noting that it's parts of the US that have some of the most puritanical laws, both on the age of consent and incest.

England & Wales altered its laws on incest some years ago. (Incest is a devolved matter.) Basically, sex with anyone under 18 who is a relative or living in the same household - which would cover, say, stepfathers and stepmothers - is illegal. This is to prevent abuse in the home. Over 18, the law has been eased slightly, so that sex with a relative by marriage rather than blood is not illegal. Sex with cousins of any degree has never been illegal in the UK as far as I'm aware.

I would say that there is probably very little chance of any further relaxation of the incest laws in the UK.
 
I also don't see a lot of change coming to 'incest' and marriage laws in Western societies. But populations are still increasing, and more people means more combinations. I see kin-fucking and non-monogamous groups increasing de facto and not de jure. Which means, more folks are gonna, but they'll mostly stay off the radar. You wanna regularly fuck your parent(s) or sibling(s)? Move to another town and stay quiet. Or just keep your doors and windows (and mouths) shut.
 
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I look at sex from a socio-biological view point.

Sex with your sibling is optimal if putting your genes into the next generation is the goal of reproduction. And it is. Sex with a parent is less. Sex with strangers is least of all but comes with incentives siblings cant offer.
 
I look at sex from a socio-biological view point.

Sex with your sibling is optimal if putting your genes into the next generation is the goal of reproduction. And it is. Sex with a parent is less. Sex with strangers is least of all but comes with incentives siblings cant offer.

I think your post explains why incest is illegal and likely to remain so.
 
I think your post explains why incest is illegal and likely to remain so.

Check on what happened with a lot of the old European royal families. That will explain why it is illegal if you can't figure it out yourself. :rolleyes:
 
Yet amazon still won't allow it to be sold in e-books.:rolleyes:

When my daughter was studying for her English AS-Level exam, I happened to drop-in at her boarding school one day, as I had business in Brighton, which is where her school is, and took her to dinner. When I took her back to her dormitory I was chatting with her about school and her studies, and casually picked up the book that the exam was set-on that year, and found it was 'Tis Pity She's A Whore, written by John Ford in 1629, which is about sibling incest and pregnancy, adultery, treachery, and murder. I was disturbed to find that it was the subject of her AS-Level coursework, not because of the subject matter per se, but because I felt that at 17, she was probably too young to be dealing with the fact the main protagonists, Giovanni & Arabella, were brother and sister as well as lovers, and Arabella's subsequent pregnancy by her brother.

The book is available in America, but the copy I picked up in SF in the early 90's was so excessively bowdlerised it actually made no sense; no doubt 20 years earlier even that version would have been publicly burned, even though the text had effectively been turned into nothing more suggestive than the main characters giving each other an endless succession of meaningful looks...

It's interesting that when the play was written, it was well received and well attended through its entire run, but by the 1830's it had become shunned and ostracised. Now, of course, after a 300-year wait in the wings, it's become a 'classic', and so deemed suitable for 17 year-old girls to study, and available in the 'Classics' section of just about any bookshop in the English-speaking world. It seems age and deliberate obscuration has mellowed and distorted perception of the basic story-line to the point where it's now regarded as suitable reading and study material for adolescent girls because of its 'classic' status.

And you can get it from Amazon, too...
 
Check on what happened with a lot of the old European royal families. That will explain why it is illegal if you can't figure it out yourself. :rolleyes:

I take it that you're referring to marriages between first, second and third cousins, none of which have ever been illegal.

And the results to which you refer were? Haemophilia? That can be passed down regardless of a blood relationship between the parents. What else?
 
Another example of how popular incest is.

There is a twitter account-and I think elsewhere on the web as well for a site called "Incest news Daily"

It is actually a real news site that has daily articles pertaining to politics and has nothing to do with incest. Yet it gets tons of hits because the word 'incest' draws that many people.

I still can't figure out how in this day and age where everything is right there, in your face that the US still holds to incest being so 'horrible' and sites won't sell the e-books bout fantasy 18+ incest, but have no issue with brutal shows like Game of Thrones and torture porn movies.

Its pretty much the religious right peering out from beneath their rocks and going into 'moral outrages' at spineless sites like amazon and anyone else that caves to a demographic that spends jack shit in the first place.
 
What else?

The Hapsburgs, by all accounts not the brightest....

It doesn't take many generations of inter-breeding to significantly lower IQ. There's old mining towns in northern NSW that declined as thriving economies maybe 120 - 140 years ago, when the railway went elsewhere and the gold ran out. In the seventies, there were remnants of several families too poor to move from these regions, who stayed behind. They'd come into the town once a month to buy stores.

The downside of serial multi-generational incest was pretty easy to see. There are good reasons why you don't fuck your mama or your sister, regardless how many people try to pretend otherwise. Not much point home-schooling those folk, unfortunately.
 
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