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Justice for Trayvon??

SgtSpiderMan said:
The law that allows an armed man to chase anyone they please for any reason they please even after being told it isn't a good idea.
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That the Chicago Gansta Law. You get to kill little kids and everything and no one will rat you out. :cool:
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
The recent case of Florida v Zimmerman says otherwise.
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No it doesn't, oh maybe in your imagination it does, but only there.

If you are off your property, in public, I can follow you anywhere, anytime. I can confront you as to what you are about as well. You have NO right to privacy while you are in public, none whatsoever. The Supreme Court has already said as much, on numerous occasions.

Even if you are on your property, but in pubic view, you enjoy no particular 'privacy' protection, never did. Christ, even the ancient Greeks were aware of that notion.

Obviously I've monitored this thread and the shit that is flowing through the apologists mind truly amazes me. The nuances of the shades of gray, "if Zimmerman had done this", "I Martin had done that." All those "ifs" add up to nothing, zero.

As you don't see, and apparently the jury did, when you're on your back having you head beaten into the pavement all of those shades of gray disappear. The situation is reduced to a matter of survival and Martin lost that battle. It truly is a black and white situation (and there is NO pun intended there). Basic survival mechanisms kick in that there is no time to contemplate the philosophical, or legal, ramifications of ones actions. Kill or be killed, that's it. This was NOT a 'fight or flee' situation, Zimmerman was in no position to flee.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
No it doesn't, oh maybe in your imagination it does, but only there.

If you are off your property, in public, I can follow you anywhere, anytime. I can confront you as to what you are about as well. You have NO right to privacy while you are in public, none whatsoever. The Supreme Court has already said as much, on numerous occasions.

Even if you are on your property, but in pubic view, you enjoy no particular 'privacy' protection, never did. Christ, even the ancient Greeks were aware of that notion.

Obviously I've monitored this thread and the shit that is flowing through the apologists mind truly amazes me. The nuances of the shades of gray, "if Zimmerman had done this", "I Martin had done that." All those "ifs" add up to nothing, zero.

As you don't see, and apparently the jury did, when you're on your back having you head beaten into the pavement all of those shades of gray disappear. The situation is reduced to a matter of survival and Martin lost that battle. It truly is a black and white situation (and there is NO pun intended there). Basic survival mechanisms kick in that there is no time to contemplate the philosophical, or legal, ramifications of ones actions. Kill or be killed, that's it. This was NOT a 'fight or flee' situation, Zimmerman was in no position to flee.

Ishmael
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At some point, you need to have an honest conversation about the facts in this case (and probably about a great many thing in life). I never said privacy, that's a word you threw in there to justify your limited view about what we know about this case. I've never brought up Martin's right to privacy. I said very specifically that the law allowed Zimmerman to leave his vehicle, while carrying a loaded weapon with the sole purpose of chasing a man he thought could be a minor, after he had been told by a third party it wasn't a good idea to do so.

There is no evidence that shows Martin beat Zimmerman's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had plenty of opportunities to retreat.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
The law that allows an armed man to chase anyone they please for any reason they please even after being told it isn't a good idea.
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I have never heard of such a law as that. However, some neighborhoods have watch committees who keep an eye on persons they deem suspicious. Such a person was Trayvon Martin, who was walking slowly on a cold and rainy night and looking around him. Most people would have been walking faster, in a hurry to get home out of the rain and cold. This was especially suspicious, because there had been a series of burglaries in the community recently, and the man in question seemed to be casing the area for future break-ins.

In this case, the suspicious character eluded the watch captain, apparently doubled back, and assaulted him, knocking him down, pounding his head against the sidewalk and punching him in the face, breaking his nose in the process. In fighting for his life, the watch captain, a short, fat man, was able to use his gun and shoot the assailant, killing him with one shot.

You might be thinking of the apparent law in Chicago and other cities, where youthful gangsters are encouraged to run wild, killing anybody they please, including those who do not wish to join them in their criminal enterprises. This may not actually be a law, but it is a well-established custom, since nobody in any authority ever complains about it.
 
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SgtSpiderMan said:
At some point, you need to have an honest conversation about the facts in this case (and probably about a great many thing in life). I never said privacy, that's a word you threw in there to justify your limited view about what we know about this case. I've never brought up Martin's right to privacy. I said very specifically that the law allowed Zimmerman to leave his vehicle, while carrying a loaded weapon with the sole purpose of chasing a man he thought could be a minor, after he had been told by a third party it wasn't a good idea to do so.

There is no evidence that shows Martin beat Zimmerman's head into the pavement. Zimmerman had plenty of opportunities to retreat.
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No moron, liberty allowed Zimmerman to leave his vehicle. If not there would be a law against that activity, there wasn't. So what law do you propose idiot?

As far as 'facts' go they don't mean shit to a tree. It came down to those few moments where Zimmerman was on his back. calling for help. That was the black and white moment, all else is bullshit.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
No moron, liberty allowed Zimmerman to leave his vehicle. If not there would be a law against that activity, there wasn't. So what law do you propose idiot?

As far as 'facts' go they don't mean shit to a tree. It came down to those few moments where Zimmerman was on his back. calling for help. That was the black and white moment, all else is bullshit.

Ishmael
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I've already specifically said what the law should prevent.

Again, when you don't like the facts you attempt to change what I said. I never said Zimmerman didn't have the right to challenge Martin on where he was going (although Zimmerman never did this), and I never challenged Zimmerman's right to leave his vehicle. What I very specifically take umbrage with is that Florida law allows an armed individual to chase another individual after being told it isn't a good idea.

If you think that should be legal, that's cool, we'll disagree, but at least have the guts to respond to what I'm saying & not make stuff up.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
I've already specifically said what the law should prevent.

Again, when you don't like the facts you attempt to change what I said. I never said Zimmerman didn't have the right to challenge Martin on where he was going (although Zimmerman never did this), and I never challenged Zimmerman's right to leave his vehicle. What I very specifically take umbrage with is that Florida law allows an armed individual to chase another individual after being told it isn't a good idea.

If you think that should be legal, that's cool, we'll disagree, but at least have the guts to respond to what I'm saying & not make stuff up.
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I can't wait for an armed father chasing someone who abducted his toddler daughter after being told to wait, police are on the way, after that law is passed.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
In your first post you were talking about the injuries Zimmerman may have suffered. The DNA evidence did not support the theory that Martin caused any injuries to Zimmerman. When called on that fact you switched to talking about where Martin was.
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After the police and other responders arrived, Z's face was photographed and then treated, including wiping off the blood. This and the falling rain would have also eliminated any skin cells that would have come from TM's fists.

I have read complaints that the police did not "bag" TM's hands. The rain might well have washed the blood and other organic matter from them too.

There is another possibility. TM might have been hitting the other man with the can of Arizona iced tea. Before you snort in derision, try an experiment. Hold an unopened can of tea or pop in your hand and pound on something with the bottom of the can, especially the corner. Try pounding on a wooden table or your thigh or your chin. You will find you can hit quite hard, much like using a blackjack or brass knuckles. The use of such a weapon would also be the reason TM's hands were not injured.
 
I suppose there are people who think that Jack Ruby shouldn't have been convicted of murder.
 
MNGuy said:
I can't wait for an armed father chasing someone who abducted his toddler daughter after being told to wait, police are on the way, after that law is passed.
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I'm not being snarky, but do you honestly think that's a good idea?
 
Boxlicker101 said:
After the police and other responders arrived, Z's face was photographed and then treated, including wiping off the blood. This and the falling rain would have also eliminated any skin cells that would have come from TM's fists.

I have read complaints that the police did not "bag" TM's hands. The rain might well have washed the blood and other organic matter from them too.

There is another possibility. TM might have been hitting the other man with the can of Arizona iced tea. Before you snort in derision, try an experiment. Hold an unopened can of tea or pop in your hand and pound on something with the bottom of the can, especially the corner. Try pounding on a wooden table or your thigh or your chin. You will find you can hit quite hard, much like using a blackjack or brass knuckles. The use of such a weapon would also be the reason TM's hands were not injured.
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It looks like you're in agreement with me.
 
phrodeau said:
I suppose there are people who think that Jack Ruby shouldn't have been convicted of murder.
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There are, or were such people. There is no question he killed Oswald, but some people believed he should have been acquitted on the grounds of insanity. I did not agree with them, nor did the jury.
 
I would never live in a state that allows untrained, unsupervised, wanna be cops to patrol in public, harassing law abiding citizens.

It's bad enough that we have cops who shouldn't be cops.
 
Joeybagadonuts said:
I would never live in a state that allows untrained, unsupervised, wanna be cops to patrol in public, harassing law abiding citizens.

It's bad enough that we have cops who shouldn't be cops.
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There ya go. Tu sabes.

*claps hands* Waiter! More derp please! We're running low!
 
6 dead, 17 wounded in shootings since Friday night

Six men have been killed and at least another 17 people — including a 6-year-old girl — have been wounded in shootings across the city since Friday night.

Stand Your Ground!!!
 
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