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Reports: Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress

Colonel Hogan said:
"I'll rephrase. Mr. Cohen, in light of the obligation to advise YOUR CLIENT of the gravity of the request he had just made and give him the clear opportunity to recant that request, can you tell us why THAT exchange is not on this recording? In light of THAT apparent omission, WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING????"

That's why Cohen doesn't have an incriminating tape. :rolleyes:
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its what I said

only MORE to the point:)
 
it should be noted

that his lawyer, LANNY-CuntCinton-DAVIS said he may not testify in front of Congress

further, it should be noted

that Cohen in his filings to the Court or Booby MuleLiar in his filings make NO MENTION of this

you would think

THEY WOULD:cool:
 
That filing, however, is where some room for skepticism emerges. If Trump told Cohen to lie, why not just say so in the filing? Why not just tell the judge that he got instructed to lie by President Trump — or “Individual-1,” the reference used in filings for Cohen’s case? That would certainly be a lot more interesting than just a passive implication of subornation by White House staff, which is what Cohen’s filing suggested.


If Cohen really wanted a sentence reduction, that certainly would have gotten the judge’s attention. And for that matter, why sentence Cohen at all at that point if Trump suborned perjury? One would expect a prosecutor to hold off sentencing for a major material witness until after a trial, in order to ensure that the witness didn’t change his story — especially one with a track record of changing stories, like Cohen.
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https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01/18/mueller-evidence-trump-ordered-cohen-lie-congress/
 
That's why there's a Special Prosecutor, to look into just that (among other things).

The people who run the Justice Department were concerned enough about how/why he fired James Comey to start a Special Counsel.

Hmm. Why could that be. Let's think really hard. Oh YEAH. The fired FBI Director had just testified in public for the first time that the Trump Campaign was under investigation, including a possible criminal investigation. Days later he was fired by the person who's campaign is under investigation. Hmm, nothing suspicious about that, nothing at all. Just a "coincidence" when he was performing his "official duties."

For all we know Mueller's going to reach a conclusion that Trump wasn't trying to OBSTRUCT the FBI Investigation into himself when he fired Comey, but you are a total clueless idiot for not understanding why it was started in the first place.

Colonel Hogan said:
I certainly hope everyone here who clicks on your link reads it in its entirety because it specifically hammers on the point I have been making all along. You cannot hold a President guilty of obstruction of justice for actions empowered by the Constitution in performance of his official duties. That most certainly includes firing the Director of the FBI -- for ALMOST any reason. And the vague reference to the "Russian thing" does NOT, without far more precise clarification, transgress the legal boundary of the "ALMOST."
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HisArpy said:
The question is; DID he suborn purjury?

Even you Dudly should know that the answer to that question is unknown at this point.
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Did you attend an accredited law school?

Asking someone to lie under oath is a textbook example of suborning perjury.

Here's the kicker: Trump allegedly did this in a room full of 10-15 witnesses. He either had no clue he was committing a crime or didn't care.

Are 10-15 witnesses enough for you or do we have to "raise the pie higher"?
 
Is he misspelling Dudley on purpose or just unaware that he's spelling it wrong?
 
Recall that President Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice (and for perjury), which included these charges:

- encouraging Monica Lewinsky to file a false affidavit
- encouraging Lewinsky to give false testimony if and when she was called to testify
- concealing gifts he had given to Lewinsky that had been subpoenaed
- attempting to secure a job for Lewinsky to influence her testimony
- permitting his lawyer to make false statements characterizing Lewinsky's affidavit
- attempting to tamper with the possible testimony of his secretary Betty Curie
- making false and misleading statements to potential grand jury witnesses

These charges were all true but, nevertheless, the Senate declined to remove Clinton from office for them by a tie vote of 50-50. The Senate also declined to remove the President from office for the perjury charge by a vote of 45-55.

Just a couple of months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was found by the federal judge in the Paula Jones case to be in contempt of court, fined him $90k and referred him to the Arkansas Supreme Court for disciplinary action. The AR Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct voted to disbar Clinton and fined him another $25k. Before his disbarment took place, Clinton voluntarily submitted his resignation from the Bar.
 
You can almost smell the grizzled old blurt-labias of Lit moistening at the thought of catching the President in a lie! Lie!! Liar!!!

"And the hens went CRAZY!"

(and Rory too)
 
bigsly said:
Recall that President Bill Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice (and for perjury), which included these charges:

- encouraging Monica Lewinsky to file a false affidavit
- encouraging Lewinsky to give false testimony if and when she was called to testify
- concealing gifts he had given to Lewinsky that had been subpoenaed
- attempting to secure a job for Lewinsky to influence her testimony
- permitting his lawyer to make false statements characterizing Lewinsky's affidavit
- attempting to tamper with the possible testimony of his secretary Betty Curie
- making false and misleading statements to potential grand jury witnesses

These charges were all true but, nevertheless, the Senate declined to remove Clinton from office for them by a tie vote of 50-50. The Senate also declined to remove the President from office for the perjury charge by a vote of 45-55.

Just a couple of months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was found by the federal judge in the Paula Jones case to be in contempt of court, fined him $90k and referred him to the Arkansas Supreme Court for disciplinary action. The AR Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct voted to disbar Clinton and fined him another $25k. Before his disbarment took place, Clinton voluntarily submitted his resignation from the Bar.
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A person of POWER asking a very young GIRL to lie

Isnt the same as a PERSON of POWER asking a LAWYER to do so

The LAWYER did so on his OWN...knowing the consequences!


Assuming its TRUE
 
Busybody18 said:
A person of POWER asking a very young GIRL to lie

Isnt the same as a PERSON of POWER asking a LAWYER to do so

The LAWYER did so on his OWN...knowing the consequences!


Assuming its TRUE
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Obstruction of justice isn't as repugnantly partisan as you. Sadly, as the Clinton case proves, truth has far, far less to do with it than your, and others', repugnant partianship.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Did you attend an accredited law school?

Asking someone to lie under oath is a textbook example of suborning perjury.

Here's the kicker: Trump allegedly did this in a room full of 10-15 witnesses. He either had no clue he was committing a crime or didn't care.

Are 10-15 witnesses enough for you or do we have to "raise the pie higher"?
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He watched two seasons of “Matlock” and once went on to Legal Zoom’s website.
 
jaF0 said:
But whaddabout the fact that none of that involved a foreign hostile government nor was their any intent to subvert the US.
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What in the world would the waddabouters do without Bill and Hil?
 
Curious this "story" hits just after Ohr's testimoney is released, where he in effect says

The DOJ and FBI conducted a COUP



You'd have to believe that Trump would reach out to Cohen, after Cohen publicly admitted that he was cooperating with Mueller, and ask Cohen to lie to Congress.

It's a moronic premise w/out any corroborating evidence.


- Bruce Ohr's testimony implicating the upper echelons of DOJ & FBI in a soft coup against a sitting POTUS: "Meh"

- BuzzFeed's anonymously sourced story about a grown man lying to Congress because his mean boss told him to: "Explosive"

:cool:
 
Kirkrapine said:
Of course you can, if he uses those powers to obstruct justice. By your formulation a president could never be guilty of obstructing justice -- his constitutional powers are the only ones he has.
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No, no, NO! That's NOT what I said. The Constitutional use of Constitutional authority DOES NOT include breaking the law. What you and others here keep missing is that firing James Comey (Constitutional authority) over the expressly articulated reason of "the Russian investigation" constitutes presumptive evidence of the criminality (obstruction of justices) that the Constitution does NOT protect.

That's not necessarily true. If the President KNEW he was personally innocent and had no other reason to believe others were guilty of any crimes which were reasonably the focus of the investigation, then he might well fire Comey for cause for persisting with it.

Likewise, if the President fired Comey in a conscious attempt to conceal his or others' possible criminality, that would be an obstruction of justice.

The issue of mens rea -- criminal intent -- is essential to demonstrating the commission of any felony, this one most particularly.
 
Blowhard says what?


Colonel Hogan said:
No, no, NO! That's NOT what I said. The Constitutional use of Constitutional authority DOES NOT include breaking the law. What you and others here keep missing is that firing James Comey (Constitutional authority) over the expressly articulated reason of "the Russian investigation" constitutes presumptive evidence of the criminality (obstruction of justices) that the Constitution does NOT protect.

That's not necessarily true. If the President KNEW he was personally innocent and had no other reason to believe others were guilty of any crimes which were reasonably the focus of the investigation, then he might well fire Comey for cause for persisting with it.

Likewise, if the President fired Comey in a conscious attempt to conceal his or others' possible criminality, that would be an obstruction of justice.

The issue of mens rea -- criminal intent -- is essential to demonstrating the commission of any felony, this one most particularly.
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Aglaopheme said:
We know Cohen regularly taped his conversations. We know that Mueller has 100s of tales he confiscated from Cohen.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-cohen-secretly-taped-donald-trump-was-it-legal/
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I don't think this is a case of Cohen recording it. I think (heard it said on TV) that lawyers were directly involved, at Trump's direction, in advising Cohen what to say/what not to say, so it's most likely a case of several knowing it happened. No one has accused either Trump or his choice of lawyers being smart.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Did you attend an accredited law school?

Asking someone to lie under oath is a textbook example of suborning perjury.

Here's the kicker: Trump allegedly did this in a room full of 10-15 witnesses. He either had no clue he was committing a crime or didn't care.

Are 10-15 witnesses enough for you or do we have to "raise the pie higher"?
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So, you believe the article is true? Then explain this:

[Anthony Cormier] told Alisyn Camerota that he has "not personally" seen the evidence he cited in the report. But, he said, “the folks we have talked to — two officials we have spoken to are fully, 100 percent read into that aspect of the Special Counsel’s investigation.”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...dence-he-cited-in-trump-tower-report-n2539263
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So, what we have in a reporter with a dubious past in which he has been caught fabricating sensationalize media reports saying he hasn't seen the evidence himself but he's talked to 2 anon sources who have inside knowledge of the Special Counsels files on Trump.

Uh, yaright. You know what that's called? Fake news.

Your witness Mr. Notalawyer.
 
Actually, no, what's "fake" is your representation of your own story. He's what it says:

The CNN hosts brought up how Cormier's co-author Jason Leopold was once under fire for his inaccurate reports he wrote about Karl Rove for Salon in 2002. Still, CNN contributor Garrett Graff seemed content with the BuzzFeed authors' report, considering they were the team who "nailed" the Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya in 2016.
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Cormier's co-author, not him, had "inaccurate" reporting in the past. Doesn't say what or how it was handled. And the fact that they got the Trump Tower meeting right isn't unimportant.

Feel free to be skeptical; that's what all the other "fake" news outlets are doing, if you pay attention. Neither CNN nor MSNBC nor WaPo nor NYTimes can confirm the reporting, and they say so: until they verify, they're not reporting it as fact. I say that's being responsible journalists.

HisArpy said:
So, you believe the article is true? Then explain this:

So, what we have in a reporter with a dubious past in which he has been caught fabricating sensationalize media reports saying he hasn't seen the evidence himself but he's talked to 2 anon sources who have inside knowledge of the Special Counsels files on Trump.

Uh, yaright. You know what that's called? Fake news.

Your witness Mr. Notalawyer.
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