Another age question - but with a twist!

So there are 2 habitable planets in the solar system X, and I took numbers from our solar system for example sake.
So in our solar system, approximately:
earth year is 365 earth days,
and Mars year is 687 earth days (or 668 mars days because they are longer).

So say if a person comes from earth to Mars, and that person is 22 years old (on earth) - then he would at the same time be only 11-12 MARS years old.

My question is - is it acceptable to refer/convert the age like that?
For example a dialogue:

"How old are you?"
"22"
"That'd be... let me think. 12 on Mars. You are almost twice as young as me."
(All the above implying that sex will happen between the two).

I wonder what you think about that.
What do you think if we go reverse - a person saying he's 12, but that's equal to being adult because the years are longer. And the other person converts it to 22.

p.s. note that it's totally fine for me to leave this out. I was just thinking of possible lines of dialogue and found this problem - a planet further away from sun will have longer years.

Not able to jump forward a couple of centuries to know for sure, but I imagine the next millennia or so of mankind's exploration of places beyond earth, things will generally measured in terms of Earth years. You ain't going to get around the Lit < 18 year rule this way!

Nezhul said:

So there are 2 habitable planets in the solar system X, and I took numbers from our solar system for example sake.
So in our solar system, approximately:
earth year is 365 earth days,
and Mars year is 687 earth days (or 668 mars days because they are longer).

So say if a person comes from earth to Mars, and that person is 22 years old (on earth) - then he would at the same time be only 11-12 MARS years old.

My question is - is it acceptable to refer/convert the age like that?
For example a dialogue:

"How old are you?"
"22"
"That'd be... let me think. 12 on Mars. You are almost twice as young as me."
(All the above implying that sex will happen between the two).

I wonder what you think about that.
What do you think if we go reverse - a person saying he's 12, but that's equal to being adult because the years are longer. And the other person converts it to 22.

p.s. note that it's totally fine for me to leave this out. I was just thinking of possible lines of dialogue and found this problem - a planet further away from sun will have longer years.

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It's going to look like an attempt at getting round the '18 & over' rule on this site; explicitly referring to someone's age as being much younger than the site allows "but on another planet, so it doesn't count' is still a weasel way of writing underage, which is what people are going to assume is your real intent. Look at the 'Twilight' sagas; the main vampire character is a thousand years old, or more, yet looks like a young teenage boy, so, by the rules of the site, writing sex scenes as fan-fic with Edward and Bella is going to violate the '18 & over' rule because they appear to be young adolescents, even if the storyline depicts them as much older. Stick to eighteen as your baseline age, wherever your protagonists are from, and you'll be spared this debate.

You ain't going to get around the Lit < 18 year rule this way!

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I'm not trying to. I just thought that it's a funny problem of culture.

In my setting both planets are colonized thousands of years ago, and they were isolated, with no contact to earth and only a radio contact with each other.

I don't think they'd be measuring things in Earth years in such situation. It's counter-productive because they will need to keep track of seasons and whatnot, and keeping another measuring system just for the sake of counting time - when you don't even need to compare that time with others for such a long time - seems like a thing that no one would do.
It would make sence if there was some kind of centralized and interconnected galactic federation or something - they would use standard time. But when we talk about almost independent civilizations that came from earth long ago but after that never had any contact with it - I think that the colonists would use local years.

How can anyone be underage if he/she have lived for an equivalent of 22 earth years? It's not like time flows (much) differently on two planets. And they are still humans, so they live the same amount of time.

I mean, for all intents and purposes this person is well over the age of maturity - but they would just count it differently.

Again, I have no objection to leave this out completely. It's not what the story is about.
I just think it would be funny to discuss.

Let's imagine a planet where a year lasts for 10 Earth years - it's moving very slowly around the sun. So, by your logic - no one will ever be mature enough on that planet? They will all die being infants with ages of eight or nine?
^ I'm quite aware that people would probably count months on such planet, not years. But still, it's kind of interesting how number is more important than actual age.

The vampire example is not valid, because I'm not talking about someone who looks like a teenager. The "driad who lives only 4 years and is mature in 2" example would not be valid too, because DUH - we are not talking fantasy species here.

I'm talking purely about time measurement system and how it can screw with the 18 rule if you want to keep things a bit realistic and scientific.

It has been explained before.

In Sci-Fi and Fantasy on Literotica people/beings have to be over 18 before they can have sex. If they live on a planet with a different length of year they have to be mature by that planet's culture AND over 18 in equivalent Earth years.

So for example if a planet rotates once every twenty years but a child becomes mature shortly before the end of one planetary rotation then that is acceptable.

It's the same as for people born on 29 February. On their fifth birthday on 29 February they are actually 20 years old.

Nezhul said:

How can anyone be underage if he/she have lived for an equivalent of 22 earth years? It's not like time flows (much) differently on two planets. And they are still humans, so they live the same amount of time.

I mean, for all intents and purposes this person is well over the age of maturity - but they would just count it differently.

Again, I have no objection to leave this out completely. It's not what the story is about.
I just think it would be funny to discuss.

Let's imagine a planet where a year lasts for 10 Earth years - it's moving very slowly around the sun. So, by your logic - no one will ever be mature enough on that planet? They will all die being infants with ages of eight or nine?
^ I'm quite aware that people would probably count months on such planet, not years. But still, it's kind of interesting how number is more important than actual age.

The vampire example is not valid, because I'm not talking about someone who looks like a teenager. The "driad who lives only 4 years and is mature in 2" example would not be valid too, because DUH - we are not talking fantasy species here.

I'm talking purely about time measurement system and how it can screw with the 18 rule if you want to keep things a bit realistic and scientific.

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Nezhul said:

The vampire example is not valid, because I'm not talking about someone who looks like a teenager. The "driad who lives only 4 years and is mature in 2" example would not be valid too, because DUH - we are not talking fantasy species here..

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Dare I say it, at this point in mankind's development, speculating on different planetary civilisations and how they measure time is as much a "duh" as talking about fantasy creatures... neither has much connection with reality.

The chances that Lit will still be running in a thousand years is pretty remote... but if it is, I'm sure folk will still be trying to wriggle around the 18 year rule, be they solar, sidereal, galactic, or any other year.

Mind you, the notion that Laurel might have the same place in human history as Isaac Asimov or Ray Bradbury is kind of cool.

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I heard dots are full of meaning.

oggbashan said:

It has been explained before.

In Sci-Fi and Fantasy on Literotica people/beings have to be over 18 before they can have sex. If they live on a planet with a different length of year they have to be mature by that planet's culture AND over 18 in equivalent Earth years.

So for example if a planet rotates once every twenty years but a child becomes mature shortly before the end of one planetary rotation then that is acceptable.

It's the same as for people born on 29 February. On their fifth birthday on 29 February they are actually 20 years old.

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Has this been explained? First time I heard that, but it is currently the most sensible reply in this thread.

It seems you're going a long way to work in underage. Why not just go to asstr that has no rules on it and post underage stories there?

I'm surprised you haven't caught the usual self righteous abuse yet from some of the 'lit has standards' crew.

It seems you are going a long way to troll.

I assume a civilization advanced enough to colonize other solar systems would have a standard for measuring time. They might have even finally managed to make metric or imperial weights and measures a standard.

Nezhul said:

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I heard dots are full of meaning.

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Actually I was commenting on another thread and posted here by mistake; the only meaning you should infer is that I have no further opinion to add; you already know my stance on the matter, any further expansion would simply be reiteration. Good luck with getting your story completed and posted.

Will

Nezhul said:

It seems you are going a long way to troll.

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Everyone here can tell you that you'll know when I'm trolling. I'm not trolling, but reacting to the fact we get a constant supply of 'can I..." threads with underage and they get old quick.

This seems like a gimmick to get away with it, or maybe you're just being humorous and trolling the topic yourself.

So my suggestion of taking it to a site that you'd have no problem with it is a legit one, not snark.

If you want me to snark, it wouldn't be at you anyway it would be

"Go ahead, any type of sci fi non human story gets away with breaking every rule anyway"

That's trolling.

we get a constant supply of 'can I..." threads with underage and they get old quick.

This seems like a gimmick to get away with it, or maybe you're just being humorous and trolling the topic yourself.

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Tell me, how can an adult, fully grown and developed person that have lived in this world for an equivalent of 22 earth years - be underage? Ok, the planet that this person has lived on made only 12 revolutions around the sun, so by that planet's standards he's 12 years old.

But this doesn't amke him underdeveloped or infantile. It doesn't make him a child all of a sudden, for god's sake.
This thing that I'm talking about can't be used as an excuse for underage porn. It can't. If the person has lived enough TIME - he is an adult. Some more TIME - and he becomes an old man. We are talking about humans here, not vampires or aliens.

What does it matter if the planet moves slower so that the amount of TIME it takes him to get adult can be converted to a lower-than-eighteen number in this planet's YEARS.

Again, would you argue that on a planet with a cycle of 10 earth years - no one can ever grow adult? Just because they have endured less seasonal cycles than eighteen?
It's stupid.

I'm not arguing here to prove a point though. As I said I'm completely fine not to mention age in numbers.
What makes me astonished is the amount of blockheadiness that users here express.

For all who say I'm trying to skim the rules and wriggle-in underage porn, let me ask you a question.

Every Human that was born on planet X and lived there for 12 planet-X-es years - is not an adult.
Even if one year of planet X equals 5 earth years.
Is that correct?

So basically we have a 60-year-old man (in earth years) with gray hair, who is 12 on his planet - and thus he is underage.

Why bother making a big deal about this age difference? Seems like a silly way to needlessly complicate things. I personally think two colonies of the same species deciding to independently invent calendars specific to their planet is unrealistic. They would start with a universal calendar of some sort.

Is there a plot element involved? I'm trying to think of one. Only thing I can come up with is that the planet with a longer cycle looks upon the other as a "party planet" because they celebrate so many more birthdays. That's stretching enough that I might have hurt my back.

The notion that Nezhul is trying to skirt the underage rule with this scenario is completely ridiculous. If it's clear the character is over 18 in earth years that should be enough. Should we adopt a whole set of new amendments to deal with the problems of space travel and relativity? Come on. Why make the rules even harder to follow? No purpose is served by that other than to give self-appointed morality police another thing to cluck about.

jburton042 said:

Why bother making a big deal about this age difference? Seems like a silly way to needlessly complicate things. I personally think two colonies of the same species deciding to independently invent calendars specific to their planet is unrealistic. They would start with a universal calendar of some sort.

Is there a plot element involved? I'm trying to think of one. Only thing I can come up with is that the planet with a longer cycle looks upon the other as a "party planet" because they celebrate so many more birthdays. That's stretching enough that I might have hurt my back.

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There isn't a plot point connected with age/calendar differences. As I said, I can easily just not include this in a story.

It's just a thing that I thought about when exploring different dialogue themes that my two characters may have. I thought it would make for an interesting discussion, but was clearly wrong, because apparently no matter how long is the planet's year, the character still needs to be 18 years precisely.

As for realism, I tend to disagree. Imagine a universal calendar where a year is 365 days. Then imagine a planet where an actual cycle is 400 days.
What you end up with is that all your year is messed up. The new year will start in winter but it will end up being mid-summer after 5 years. Then it will keep going round and round.
Calendars are not invented to track time in the first place. They are needed to keep track of seasons, and most of all they need to be consistent. You must have a calendar with a year always starting at a certain fixed point of a planet's cycle, or else it becomes way harder to plan things.

When two planets are isolated from each other, aside from radio with signal going for 9 minutes before it reaches the other end - there is not much communication going on, because any reply will take at least 20 minutes to come back. You can exchange some information but you can't really TALK and have a free chat.
This makes separate calendars a totally plausible idea, because there's no point in adopting a unified system - it's easier for each planet to have a calendar of their own, the one that will be most easy to use on their own planet.

A universal calendar makes sence where you need to often communicate, trade and meet with people from other planets. It's like GMT. It's not very useful for you when you live in New York and talk only to locals. It becomes relevant only when you need to make a call to China and know what time it is on the other end.
It's the same with a universal calendar. It becomes relevant only when you need to agree to "meet in a month" between planets where the local definition of month is different. THEN you will need a unified calendar to make such an appointment.

Concerning birthdays - the more frequent they are, they cheaper they get. The more rare they are - the more they will be important, to a point when each birthdey will be a cause for a big celebration.

Using the word calendar was a poor choice. Yes, each planet would need its own way to track seasons. I imagine something like Star Trek's stardate being used for communication, trade, and personal things like anniversaries(and logbooks, of course!). Perhaps I'm thinking too much in physiological terms. A human would still stay close to a 24 hour day cycle no matter what the actual day cycle is where they are. People still basically need 8 hours of downtime every 24. The universal date system would mostly be for managing that.

Can you imagine the nightmare of buying baby clothes when a label of 1 year can encompass 5? They would probably label sizes with fractions. Kid'r'Us would need to hire extra help to explain that 3/4 is bigger than 5/8. Maybe that's a good way to help with unemployment on a new colony, though. (I'm not intending to be ridiculous to poke fun, I'm just weird).

In the end, it's the fun of fiction! Especially science fiction. Anything can be made to seem plausible from a certain angle.

I imagine something like Star Trek's stardate being used for communication, trade, and personal things like anniversaries(and logbooks, of course!).

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What if there is next to none communication?
Only the radio that takes 8 minutes for your message to reach another planet, and basically only the governments use it to exchange basic news?

There's no trade, no travelling, no galactic news or such. The planets are isolated from each other.
They literally don't have any eans to trade or travel for milleniums. They know about each other. That's about it.

It would be quite stupid to keep the system that is not tied to seasons - just for the sake of keeping it - for thousands of years. If the governmnets may keep track of it - then commoners will most surely not. They will celebrate their birthdays based on the local season and will mark the new year as the beginning of an actual cycle - not just some vague "New Standart Year" which has no meaning or purpose for ordinary people for THOUSANDS of years.

Nezhul said:

So there are 2 habitable planets in the solar system X, and I took numbers from our solar system for example sake.
So in our solar system, approximately:
earth year is 365 earth days,
and Mars year is 687 earth days (or 668 mars days because they are longer).

So say if a person comes from earth to Mars, and that person is 22 years old (on earth) - then he would at the same time be only 11-12 MARS years old.

My question is - is it acceptable to refer/convert the age like that?
For example a dialogue:

"How old are you?"
"22"
"That'd be... let me think. 12 on Mars. You are almost twice as young as me."
(All the above implying that sex will happen between the two).

I wonder what you think about that.
What do you think if we go reverse - a person saying he's 12, but that's equal to being adult because the years are longer. And the other person converts it to 22.

p.s. note that it's totally fine for me to leave this out. I was just thinking of possible lines of dialogue and found this problem - a planet further away from sun will have longer years.

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First thought; don't bother trying. You'll walk into all manner of flack.
But if the characters are humanoid, you'll need a different time scale system for the purposes of equivalence; and we're back to the age problem - again.
It's all down to science against whatever the Rules state.

I really think its best to leave this kind of thing out.
"How old are you?"
"Legally old enough"

I don't think your intent in bringing it up was to skirt the rules or slip something by. Nevertheless, I don't think it's something that should fly necessarily. So I don't think I'd entertain the thought. Even if it is an intriguing detail in such a sci-fi setting, I would not see it as such a major part of the world building that it would be of utmost absolute importance to include in an erotic story. Especially not when there's already an issue with age limit and such.

Some of the other sci fi details concerning the science of said planets and characters you've brought up seem way more logical and interesting anyway.

Post on age in sticky.

I have added a post about age limits on Literotica to The Everything FAQ sticky thread at the top of the Authors' Hangout:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=86222902&postcount=27

If anyone can add anything to that post, please do.