Incestuous BDSM

A character I've developed for a story commission (who's been used in more Erotic Couplings style stories) than my usual Sci-Fi type ones seems eminently suitable for an idea I have.

I was wondering if a nice BDSM story that involves a Goth type sister in her twenties who's a porn actress, stripper/feature dancer who is into the usual of whips, cuffs, chains, ball gags and the like would be ok to depict in a story here?

There will be some Non consensual but not rape or that kind of nasty aggressive stuff.

The incest may revolve around siblings, cousins or maybe even the father. I'm just developing some ideas with a friend.

One has the sister about 27 and highly successful. The other has a younger sister around the 23-25 age. In the story where she is older she's the shoulder to cry on for her jilted brother who's wife has left him.

In the other I want a young, 18 year old brother, bookish, caring, sensitive and who's developed quite the BDSM and leathers maybe even cross dressing fetishes of his older sister. In both story ideas the brother whatever his circumstances would be very similar in interests, tastes and outlooks.

These are all rather hazy or vagueish ideas so far as my writing partner is often days to weeks between calls/emails etc with her family and work.

I just wanted to know if something very much a 50/50 split with BDSM and Incest would be permitted on Literotica.

Black_and_White_Writer said:

A character I've developed for a story commission (who's been used in more Erotic Couplings style stories) than my usual Sci-Fi type ones seems eminently suitable for an idea I have.

I was wondering if a nice BDSM story that involves a Goth type sister in her twenties who's a porn actress, stripper/feature dancer who is into the usual of whips, cuffs, chains, ball gags and the like would be ok to depict in a story here?

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Why wouldn't it be okay? Incest is a category, BDSM is a category ... even non-consensual/reluctance is a category. Doesn't seem like there would be a problem getting it posted.

Everyday_Man said:

Why wouldn't it be okay? Incest is a category, BDSM is a category ... even non-consensual/reluctance is a category. Doesn't seem like there would be a problem getting it posted.

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Just rather be safe than sorry. Some sites are very strange when it comes to a story that flits between one genre and its tropes and another.

It's permitted. Whether the "regulars" to either category will be fond of the other kink is another story, though.

MyRubiLips said:

It's permitted. Whether the "regulars" to either category will be fond of the other kink is another story, though.

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Thank you MyRubiLips.

Yep. No prob.

Black_and_White_Writer said:

The incest may revolve around siblings, cousins or maybe even the father

I just wanted to know if something very much a 50/50 split with BDSM and Incest would be permitted on Literotica.

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I'm actually trying to write a similar story. Im thinking of it as more of a 'loving' relationship between Brother(Dom) and Sister(sub). Both are adults with thier own careers, families, etc. But both have needs/desires/fetishes that they cant get from thier spouses. My story isnt really heavy BDSM, more fetish/kink/tease & denial oriented. So far, what I've got is total crap as I havent actually written anything in years.

But, like you, I am wondering what catagory to submit it as. Fetish or Incest?

Good luck to ya!

wolf182 said:

I'm actually trying to write a similar story. Im thinking of it as more of a 'loving' relationship between Brother(Dom) and Sister(sub). Both are adults with thier own careers, families, etc. But both have needs/desires/fetishes that they cant get from thier spouses. My story isnt really heavy BDSM, more fetish/kink/tease & denial oriented. So far, what I've got is total crap as I havent actually written anything in years.

But, like you, I am wondering what catagory to submit it as. Fetish or Incest?

Good luck to ya!

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Well I'll write it with you. I'd love to do that. I'm ok with writing. I think. I'd love to discuss ideas and if you look at some of my posts you'll see my 'voice' as it were.

Black_and_White_Writer said:

Well I'll write it with you. I'd love to do that. I'm ok with writing. I think. I'd love to discuss ideas and if you look at some of my posts you'll see my 'voice' as it were.

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Hmm, I've never thought about co-writing a story before. Lets PM and see if we are on the same page. No pun intended. (face slap!)

wolf182 said:

Hmm, I've never thought about co-writing a story before. Lets PM and see if we are on the same page. No pun intended. (face slap!)

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Certainly

Well, neither one of these categories are my specialty but I've toyed around with an idea of a mother or it could be father, or older sister. But we'll stick to the mother here. Let's say the mother is around 36, and the daughter is 18. So, the mother would have been no more than 18 when she had the child. But, the story would revolve the mother trying to protect the daughter from "something" or "someone". And to the great lengths she goes to do that. There might not be any incest scenes, but there could be times where the young daughter, no matter what her age, would "witness" actions that the mother must preform to save her daughter from some terrible outcome. A little blackmail??? These actions the mother would be required to preform could include your BDSM theme. There is the possibility that the mother is forced into an incestious relationship to save the daughters life. Perhaps the mother or daughter do not know it's the other they are having a sexual encounter with. Just some thoughts.

Black_and_White_Writer said:

A character I've developed for a story commission (who's been used in more Erotic Couplings style stories) than my usual Sci-Fi type ones seems eminently suitable for an idea I have.

I was wondering if a nice BDSM story that involves a Goth type sister in her twenties who's a porn actress, stripper/feature dancer who is into the usual of whips, cuffs, chains, ball gags and the like would be ok to depict in a story here?

There will be some Non consensual but not rape or that kind of nasty aggressive stuff.

The incest may revolve around siblings, cousins or maybe even the father. I'm just developing some ideas with a friend.

One has the sister about 27 and highly successful. The other has a younger sister around the 23-25 age. In the story where she is older she's the shoulder to cry on for her jilted brother who's wife has left him.

In the other I want a young, 18 year old brother, bookish, caring, sensitive and who's developed quite the BDSM and leathers maybe even cross dressing fetishes of his older sister. In both story ideas the brother whatever his circumstances would be very similar in interests, tastes and outlooks.

These are all rather hazy or vagueish ideas so far as my writing partner is often days to weeks between calls/emails etc with her family and work.

I just wanted to know if something very much a 50/50 split with BDSM and Incest would be permitted on Literotica.

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I'm curious as to what qualifies as "non consensual but not rape".

Anyone?

Black_and_White_Writer said:

A character I've developed for a story commission (who's been used in more Erotic Couplings style stories) than my usual Sci-Fi type ones seems eminently suitable for an idea I have.

I was wondering if a nice BDSM story that involves a Goth type sister in her twenties who's a porn actress, stripper/feature dancer who is into the usual of whips, cuffs, chains, ball gags and the like would be ok to depict in a story here?

There will be some Non consensual but not rape or that kind of nasty aggressive stuff.

The incest may revolve around siblings, cousins or maybe even the father. I'm just developing some ideas with a friend.

One has the sister about 27 and highly successful. The other has a younger sister around the 23-25 age. In the story where she is older she's the shoulder to cry on for her jilted brother who's wife has left him.

In the other I want a young, 18 year old brother, bookish, caring, sensitive and who's developed quite the BDSM and leathers maybe even cross dressing fetishes of his older sister. In both story ideas the brother whatever his circumstances would be very similar in interests, tastes and outlooks.

These are all rather hazy or vagueish ideas so far as my writing partner is often days to weeks between calls/emails etc with her family and work.

I just wanted to know if something very much a 50/50 split with BDSM and Incest would be permitted on Literotica.

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Sure its permitted, as long as there is no under age or other rules being violated.

Now not to sound funny, but if you are using non consensual then you can't say there is no rape. Its willing, reluctant, or non con which is rape.

But as to your idea in general, you write whatever you want, but I will tell you from experience BDSM/Incest crossover is not very popular in incest.

I've stated many times-and others can attest to it-that nothing will get a story flamed more in incest than non consent. My opinion is because us incest fans are fans of fantasy fun incest and don't want to be reminded that in real life incest is rape and sexual abuse.

But...it seems even rough sex can bring about some rumblings and BDSM aspects really kind of turn people off. My SWB series had a very small readership because of the rough sex and BDSM elements.

I have a comment that I received in May 2010 about SWB ch 1 that I printed and taped on my vision board part of it says, "That good sir, is no way for a loving brother to treat his beautiful big sister!"

So point is run with your idea, write what you want, but don't expect the high numbers and gusher comments from the incest crowd with it. They do have a strange sort of "nobility" there....

lovecraft415375 said:

Sure its permitted, as long as there is no under age or other rules being violated.

Now not to sound funny, but if you are using non consensual then you can't say there is no rape. Its willing, reluctant, or non con which is rape.

But as to your idea in general, you write whatever you want, but I will tell you from experience BDSM/Incest crossover is not very popular in incest.

I've stated many times-and others can attest to it-that nothing will get a story flamed more in incest than non consent. My opinion is because us incest fans are fans of fantasy fun incest and don't want to be reminded that in real life incest is rape and sexual abuse.

But...it seems even rough sex can bring about some rumblings and BDSM aspects really kind of turn people off. My SWB series had a very small readership because of the rough sex and BDSM elements.

I have a comment that I received in May 2010 about SWB ch 1 that I printed and taped on my vision board part of it says, "That good sir, is no way for a loving brother to treat his beautiful big sister!"

So point is run with your idea, write what you want, but don't expect the high numbers and gusher comments from the incest crowd with it. They do have a strange sort of "nobility" there....

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Rule #1 of Literotica: Never, EVER try to appeal to 2 different categories.

TheMalevolence said:

Rule #1 of Literotica: Never, EVER try to appeal to 2 different categories.

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My gut reaction is I agree.

But some other kinks can mix as long as you play one down a bit and don't go for equal billing so to speak. For instance I like to put a little foot play in a lot of my stories because I enjoy that kink, but I do it briefly and not enough to squick.

Group seems to be a friendly category to dump some other things in...except for bi male...that seems to have no real home here.

I wasn't expecting much in feedback. In thrashing out the story and it's not a hard in either BDSM or Non Consensual, but they do feature in the story.

Your advice and experience is very valued.

I've noted myself this 'unique chivalry' in the Incest genre. I'd not want upset folk that read those stories, but if I can push the 'perceptions' of the fans of that genre I'd consider that a job well done.

Agreement

Strictly thinking, non-consensual incest would be abuse and no writing should encourage that sort of thinking! There is simply too much of it happening in the world as things stand now, so I would vote, 'Don't go there.' (major turnoff).

However, I can see a scene being developed where a brother learns his sister is interested in light bondage from something she wrote, said or did, and then they agree to experiment at an unspecified later time. So, maybe sister does not know when it will happen (Sunday morning? Friday night? Or in the afternoon after college classes let out, but before parents get home) and/or the brother does not know what he's doing (inexperienced), so there is a greater risk of timing failure and being "caught with their hands bound". At the same time, the kinky experimentation is realized to be a major turn-on for one or both, and although sexual feelings are explored to climax, there is no sexual penetration. Because fantasy and eroticism live in the mind and are only experienced through the body, the mind must be willing (at some point) in order for the body to go (there).

Experiences being enjoyable for one should be enjoyable for the other, but that is all about "balance" and "understanding" of the scene, situation, feelings or unfulfilled desires. As writers, the more carefully and thoughtfully we craft stories, the more fulfillment we will enjoy. It is an art and it is about connecting emotionally with readers you will never meet, so writing something enjoyable is (or should be) mutually satisfying. A "lopsided" story without balance or that leaves one or more characters hanging (unfulfilled) is incomplete, not sexy, and rather inconsiderate of the reader's experience of reading it. Tricky business, being "sexy" in every aspect of the storytelling.

centauri4 said:

Strictly thinking, non-consensual incest would be abuse and no writing should encourage that sort of thinking! There is simply too much of it happening in the world as things stand now, so I would vote, 'Don't go there.' (major turnoff).

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Good point when its non consensual and no one will argue as its incest

Try making that point about sex trafficking stories that it no writing should be encouraged of it and the rape defenders will race out of the woodwork against you.

But I guess if I was someone who jacked off to absolute filth I might be defensive about it too. Anyone who strokes to those stories should have their nuts sliced off

lovecraft68 said:

Good point when its non consensual and no one will argue as its incest

Try making that point about sex trafficking stories that it no writing should be encouraged of it and the rape defenders will race out of the woodwork against you.

But I guess if I was someone who jacked off to absolute filth I might be defensive about it too. Anyone who strokes to those stories should have their nuts sliced off

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I actually agree with LoveCraft for once, sex trafficking is far beyond even MY moral boundaries.

TheMalevolence said:

I actually agree with LoveCraft for once, sex trafficking is far beyond even MY moral boundaries.

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Its really not the typical rape fantasy, as in there is no way for there to be consent or enjoyment in anyway. These women are drugged then beaten into submission, beaten until they will suck or fuck any cock put in front of them when they are done being trained they are like cowering animals with nothing left but fear and pain.

If you can be sexually aroused by that even in a fictional sense you're a sadist that needs to be locked up. Same with people who get off on child pornography or stories on asstr where young girls (11 in some cases) are being raped.

We all have kinks and some more extreme than others, but there is still something called decency and limits.

lovecraft68 said:

Its really not the typical rape fantasy, as in there is no way for there to be consent or enjoyment in anyway. These women are drugged then beaten into submission, beaten until they will suck or fuck any cock put in front of them when they are done being trained they are like cowering animals with nothing left but fear and pain.

If you can be sexually aroused by that even in a fictional sense you're a sadist that needs to be locked up. Same with people who get off on child pornography or stories on asstr where young girls (11 in some cases) are being raped.

We all have kinks and some more extreme than others, but there is still something called decency and limits.

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Yeah, you Foot Fetish guys are pretty wild, from what I hear.

TheMalevolence said:

Yeah, you Foot Fetish guys are pretty wild, from what I hear.

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Don't let me catch a woman walking by me barefoot with an ankle bracelet on or she is going to be damn sorry.

Fabulous responses both of you! I agree Sex Trafficking is kidnapping and abuse to the nah degree! There are some scenarios where I as reader simply loose that suspension of disbelief and just SMH. You know if it happened to a family member or other close loved-one you think, 'I'd move heaven and Earth to find them, free them, punish those responsible (if possible) and get the hell out.' Encouraging that it a plotline as a positive outcome would be the only way to redeem the story.

lovecraft68 said:

Its really not the typical rape fantasy, as in there is no way for there to be consent or enjoyment in anyway. These women are drugged then beaten into submission, beaten until they will suck or fuck any cock put in front of them when they are done being trained they are like cowering animals with nothing left but fear and pain.

If you can be sexually aroused by that even in a fictional sense you're a sadist that needs to be locked up. Same with people who get off on child pornography or stories on asstr where young girls (11 in some cases) are being raped.

We all have kinks and some more extreme than others, but there is still something called decency and limits.

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I agree. Asstr is just vile, not just for some of the stories but the type of people who constantly post those sort of pro-paedophile stories. I'm not pro-censorship but it seems to only be the place where folk who've published work here or elsewhere go to publish 'extreme' versions of stories.

It does make me worry when folk read torture porn snuff stories of girls as young as five being raped and cut up into pieces by Japanese businessmen — an article I read about online erotica had a bit about a story like that on asstr.

I just can't imagine anyone healthy or sane writing that a story about sex trafficked victims for sexual pleasure. At best it's misognystic and at worst its deeply disturbing.