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LincolnDuncan said:
It makes no difference if he is a Russian/GOP bot or just some moron, his arguments have no merit since he gives no alternative. I hate the D's almost as much as I hate the R's but with shithead in office, the D's are the only game in town. What pisses me off about shithead is that he is causing me to support Ds.
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That's true. If liberals walk away from the Democrats, it's craziness to think they'll find a home and influence with the Republicans--the traditional Republicans are walking away from the Republican Party and most of them are well to the right of these "walkaway" liberals and there's nothing in the Republican Party platform for these "walkaway" liberals. They just are thrown into the wilderness. Whereas if they stay in the DNC, they are an element with some standing. If Bernie Sanders started up a party, they could go there, but he isn't going to do that. He wants to usurp the existing DNC organization.

So, once again, who benefits from the WalkAway campaign? It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Or to figure out who is promoting the campaign.
 
Unfortunately, Russia could launch a disinformation campaign in the States ten times and 30 percent of Americans would fall for it ten times. About the same holds true for Republican Swiftboating.
 
RubenR said:
It may be boosted by bots, I do not question that, but what about the origin of this video? As I have indicated before, I do think the video raises several valid points, and dealing with them may improve the Democrats.
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I did some research on this guy and this movement. There's no evidence that this guy isn't just a plant and people aren't being bamboozled. About the only source I found that wasn't right-wing was the referenced Huffington Post, which hints it's all a put-on. Another left source, The Daily Beast, reports he was on stage in October 2017, singing Trump-support songs. That's quite a political journey, if true, and it either did or didn't happen. Anyone have a source saying it didn't happen? The only sources making it go viral are rightist sources. Huffington Post and The Daily Beast wouldn't be balanced on it, but neither are the sources promoting it (and reporting the service denial story) and anyone who is accepting this guy and his video on face value is just doing it on the same faith that someone wouldn't accept it.

Where it raises suspicion is that the movement isn't logical, nor is the video, and this is exactly how the alt-right and the Russians would run such a disinformation campaign. And the American people have shown to be gullible.

So, anyone with balanced reporting on this to show, do so. Until then it looks like just another well-crafted Russian disinformation campaign that we were told would continue happening. We've already been burned badly once by this sort of activity. Anyone gullible enough to be ready for another round of being duped?
 
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My first thought was Russian Prop, either directly or influenced by.

There's nothing genuine about it. It's staged propaganda with a hired actor, full of lies, mischaracterizations of "the left," generalizing assumptions, blatant hypocrisy, buzzwords and bullshit. It's Breitbart. It's Milo. It has that stink all over it.

Breitbart found Milo useful because a gay guy is supposed to be liberal (citing stereotypes) so a conservative gay dude has more weight. Well, it must be really bad if even the gays are leaving.

KeithD said:
Yes, but they are given as points from the liberal view, not just from a gay view.

That said, I'd keep an eye and open mind on this whole thing. It doesn't have to be a Russian-instigated issue to be exploited by the Russian disunity attack on the United States, but then again it could be. I'd keep an eye on this guy's background and where he goes/what he does from here. Because I gotta tell you, this is a really naïve view of how to improve one's lot and clout in the political spectrum on the basis of what he says he supports. This doesn't pass the sniff test yet--at least by me.


And "WalkAway" isn't about improving the Democratic Party in any way. It's about weakening it by taking people and issues away from it. And, now, who would want that? Let's think hard.
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This is all very interesting to read since my original post.

The main thing I have noticed is that those who want to defend the Democrat Party don't actually address any of Mr. Straka's criticisms of the Democrats. Instead, they question his motivations or suggest he's part of some Russian/Right Wing Conspiracy. The best they can come up with is: "If not the Democrats, then whom?" That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Democrat's policies or practices.

After reading these reactions, I agree more than ever with #WalkAway.

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Well goody for you, Svetlana!


CeriseBuss said:
This is all very interesting to read since my original post.

The main thing I have noticed is that those who want to defend the Democrat Party don't actually address any of Mr. Straka's criticisms of the Democrats. Instead, they question his motivations or suggest he's part of some Russian/Right Wing Conspiracy. The best they can come up with is: "If not the Democrats, then whom?" That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Democrat's policies or practices.

After reading these reactions, I agree more than ever with #WalkAway.

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CeriseBuss said:
This is all very interesting to read since The main thing I have noticed is that those who want to defend the Democrat Party don't actually address any of Mr. Straka's criticisms of the Democrats. Instead, they question his motivations or suggest he's part of some Russian/Right Wing Conspiracy. The best they can come up with is: "If not the Democrats, then whom?" That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the Democrat's policies or practices.
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Recognizing that there are problems the DNC has to work with in support of its liberal wing (and or lesbians--your post isn't really clear on this point) and believing in this WalkAway movement are two different issues. I agree with the first, but you didn't either give or ask for a discussion of that in your OP, which is probably why you haven't seen discussion of that aspect.

I find the second--the WalkAway movement irrational to the point of being all too familiar with Russian and Rightist Republican messing games. So, while it's fine with me if you believe it, I'm not sold by you either in your support for it. You didn't provide any discussion on how/why it would get liberals (or lesbians) any better deal than they have in the DNC.

If you want to have a discussion of what needs to change in the DNC to make it more palatable to liberals (and/or lesbians), feel free to actually post such a thread. What you posted here wasn't that, though.


It looks to me that the WalkAway movement is being funneled to the Republicans and Trump and I must say that if you think lesbians can be more comfortable with either the Republicans or Trump, I think you've taken too many drugs.
 
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Just my opinion but, The Democrats say they want o be centerists and keep shifting right as the Rethuglicans go full on Nazi. So perhaps it's a case of the Party walking away from their base?

I mean Hillary was a Goldwater Girl and now she's leftist? When Dick Chaney is the left wing of the party it tells you something.
 
JackLuis said:
Just my opinion but, The Democrats say they want o be centerists and keep shifting right as the Rethuglicans go full on Nazi. So perhaps it's a case of the Party walking away from their base?

I mean Hillary was a Goldwater Girl and now she's leftist? When Dick Chaney is the left wing of the party it tells you something.
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Going from a Goldwater Girl to a leftist (or even a centrist) is a move to the right? Your post is a bit confused on that point. And did you forget that Dick Chaney is a Republican, not a Democrat?

And if you are in the leftist area of a base, in what universe would you be moving from the Democratic Party now to the Republican Party that even traditional conservatives are bailing out of? This whole issue doesn't pass the sniff test.

To the extent that the Democratic Party is shifting a bit right, it's because they actually want to win elections in today's United States. I can't believe the naivete of some of you folks (left over from that Bernie pie-in-the-sky-we-want-to-commit-political-suicide "thing"?). I'm a Eleanor Roosevelt liberal, but I want to see Democratic wins.
 
oh!

I get it.

Walk Away is begging for money at Go Fund Me.

It's a start-up! It's a charity! It's political!

Tax free Internal Revenue Code section 501(c)(3)

Trump got caught, and blew it, with his own charity, and New York took it away.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ump-foundation-for-extensive-lawbreaking.html

Walk Away will share theirs, so Trump can have his slush fund!


This is a money scam to funnel more money to Trump, and help Trump to shift money around. If you leave the Democrats, you want to help the GOP and Trump, right ?
 
I wish there was a way in which true Democrats and Liberals could dissociate themselves from the rigid thinkers or h8ers who self-nominate themselves as "liberals". Like a copyright on the term liberal or something.

Every Jack and Joe nowadays call themselves "liberals", and think that if you challenge any of their views, no matter how far Left they are, you are automatically "a racist Right winger and crud", cause they are "the good liberals".

They might be a small minority, but they are the loudest online.
 
What's "partisan" about knowing Cerise is completely full of shit?


toeskr said:
Have you always been a total fucking douchebag partisan, or do you have to work at it?

Take the blinders off, there is way more to life than a porn board.
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gotsnowgotslush said:
This is a money scam to funnel more money to Trump, and help Trump to shift money around. If you leave the Democrats, you want to help the GOP and Trump, right ?
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Or maybe there are a lot of (D)'s who

A) are liberals and don't like the hard left, anti-American and even racist turn towards socialism/social justice that the (D)'s are making.

B) are tired of going through all the effort for spineless (D)'s just to get (R) bullshit anyhow...like Romneycare.

C) don't think as highly of the job the (D)'s have been doing as you do.

Or whatever.....but not being a blindly partisan (D) doesn't make you a republican or Trump supporter.
 
You got it wrong.

No Dems I know go around calling themselves liberals.

If you know so much about American politics as you say you do, then you would know "liberal" is 99% a made up slur from the Right that has nothing to do with actual democrats.


beew said:
I wish there was a way in which true Democrats and Liberals could dissociate themselves from the rigid thinkers or h8ers who self-nominate themselves as "liberals". Like a copyright on the term liberal or something.

Every Jack and Joe nowadays call themselves "liberals", and think that if you challenge any of their views, no matter how far Left they are, you are automatically "a racist Right winger and crud", cause they are "the good liberals".

They might be a small minority, but they are the loudest online.
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Fuck off, toe sucker

had you pegged as a complete asshole from day one.


toeskr said:
Have you always been a total fucking douchebag partisan, or do you have to work at it?

Take the blinders off, there is way more to life than a porn board.
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KeithD said:
Going from a Goldwater Girl to a leftist (or even a centrist) is a move to the right? Your post is a bit confused on that point. And did you forget that Dick Chaney is a Republican, not a Democrat?

And if you are in the leftist area of a base, in what universe would you be moving from the Democratic Party now to the Republican Party that even traditional conservatives are bailing out of? This whole issue doesn't pass the sniff test.

To the extent that the Democratic Party is shifting a bit right, it's because they actually want to win elections in today's United States. I can't believe the naivete of some of you folks (left over from that Bernie pie-in-the-sky-we-want-to-commit-political-suicide "thing"?). I'm a Eleanor Roosevelt liberal, but I want to see Democratic wins.
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I think you are confused, Hillary hasn't moved much, she's still a Goldwater Girl politically. And Dick is on the left of the Rethuglicans now.

I want to see Democratic wins, not neo-liberal ( aka corporatist) policies. The Demo Party may have shifted right to align with the donor class, that doesn't mean the people have shifted right just because the media is pushing that way.

If the Democratic Party wants to win they have to put up more of a fight for the 99%. They throw nerf balls and the Rethuglican throw rocks! They showed just how weak and ineffective they are when they couldn't even concentrate on the Senate when the SC was/is at risk. No, they had to put all their money behind Hillary who couldn't even beat an ignoramus like Donald Dipshit.

Yeah I know it was the EC not the popular vote that made Donald win. However the Demon Rats knew the rules, yet didn't adequately address the three states the took Don over the top. So much for the Demo "strategists" who believed their Precious Princess couldn't be beaten.
Hillary couldn't motivate the great unwashed to get out and vote for her instead of a gibbering goon. How fucking pitiful is that ?

Send the Princess back to New York and find someone under 60, who isn't a toady to the Eastern Establishment and se if the voters will come out and vote.
 
Carnal_Flower said:
You got it wrong.

No Dems I know go around calling themselves liberals.

If you know so much about American politics as you say you do, then you would know "liberal" is 99% a made up slur from the Right that has nothing to do with actual democrats.
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Yup...100%.

Actual liberals are way to right wing for the Democraps at this point.

Shit, most Republicans under the age of 60 are more liberal than the current batch of Democrats are.
 
JackLuis said:
If the Democratic Party wants to win they have to put up more of a fight for the 99%.
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Never going to happen.....not without some serious pressure from the voters.

Buuuuuut I bet the overwhelming majority of incumbents retain their seat this fall.
 
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Carnal_Flower said:
What's "partisan" about knowing Cerise is completely full of shit?
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When you are indoctrinated, your first thought is always the wrong one.

Take a breath, sit back, look, listen and realize..... a porn board is not real life.

Calm down.
 
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