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I was surprised to find that most comments -- possibly all -- to my submission http://www.literotica.com/s/hot-shower-7
which is decidedly Gay Male, not a woman in sight, came from women. When I expressed my surprise, our old friend Anonymous claimed that 40 per cent of Gay Male erotica is sold to women, and even more than that is written by women.
What say you, why are women fascinated by men sticking their cocks up other men's asses?
 
A good percentage of "lesbian porn" is for men, why do you think that is?
 
A_Little_Show said:
- Gay men exhibit more loving and tender relationships than wham bam thank you ma'am het males?
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That's not really fair. ;) But those were all excellent points, all plausible reasons (including the one I quoted above). I was scratching my head trying to figure it out.
 
Not only read it, but many write it as well.

Which matches the fact that there are just as many men reading and writing lesbian as women.

I couldn't tell you the why. Most women I know have no interest in watching/reading about two men. But yet those same women(and the majority are straight) usually don;t mind watching or reading a Lesbian scene not that it really gets them hot it just doesn't bother them.

The only "critique" I've heard from women who will click on then off a GM video is "what a waste"

What is also interesting is the GM writers over there that I know for sure are female seem to do better than many of the male authors score wise. Whether that is because a lot of women are reading and they have a woman's touch, or because its alien to them they make a better effort to grasp it, I have no idea.

In fact author Cruel2bkind has 66 GM stories and everyone of them has an H and many are "high H's) in the 4.7's and 8's.

She is a 20 year old straight female college coed, yet apparently she has the knack for these.

ETA I forgot to mention that it is probably an attraction as two men together is still seen as far more taboo than two women so maybe there is a big dirty little secret audience. Incest has a lot of those types of readers. They would never admit they are curious but they are.
 
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A_Little_Show said:
Gay men exhibit more loving and tender relationships than wham bam thank you ma'am het males?
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Really? If the stories here show that its not all that realistic.

Many Gay males are far more promiscuous than any straight man or woman. The adult personals on any website in any part of the country are full of Gay NSA blow job adds and my wife's 4 friends who are Gay and all live together have a house that is almost literally a revolving door.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that if that makes them happy, but it's far from loving tender relationships.
I'm sure those exist, but they would be the ones people don;t hear about as much. Monogamy no matter what the gender is seen as less than sexy here.
 
I get the impression that a lot of GM is written *by* women *for* women, and to me that kind of makes those particular stories almost a subgenre. I've always wondered how much of that is at all realistic. Not that it matters, I've just wondered (because I do that). I do remember my former e-publisher telling me that I should try writing such stories. Her advice was: pretend you're writing about two women, then make them men.

I've read a few of the GM stories written by women. They're fine, well-written and all that. Can't say the sex does much for me, but the stories themselves are fine.
 
PennLady said:
I get the impression that a lot of GM is written *by* women *for* women, and to me that kind of makes those particular stories almost a subgenre. I've always wondered how much of that is at all realistic. Not that it matters, I've just wondered (because I do that). I do remember my former e-publisher telling me that I should try writing such stories. Her advice was: pretend you're writing about two women, then make them men.

I've read a few of the GM stories written by women. They're fine, well-written and all that. Can't say the sex does much for me, but the stories themselves are fine.
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I've gotten people who've said why don't I try one?

My original answer was I wouldn't know what I was writing about especially with the sex.

Then someone pointed out to me that I write stuff from a female POV meaning "I" as the character is giving blow jobs and getting laid in a manner I have no physical experience in, so what would be different?

Quite honestly I had no answer for their valid point. So I guess I just have to go with it squicks me.

I have one that is a rough draft that is kind of "soft core" where two nerdy virgins who can;t score with girls end up giving each other a hand job to see what it was like to have someone other than themselves get you off, but I don;t think it would make a decent complete story.
 
Japanese yaoi fans are almost exclusively female, as is proven by yaoi fairs and other events. Barely a man around. However those yaoi stories are usually not (very) explicit on the sexual part.
 
lovecraft68 said:
I've gotten people who've said why don't I try one?

My original answer was I wouldn't know what I was writing about especially with the sex.

Then someone pointed out to me that I write stuff from a female POV meaning "I" as the character is giving blow jobs and getting laid in a manner I have no physical experience in, so what would be different?

Quite honestly I had no answer for their valid point. So I guess I just have to go with it squicks me.
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Let the record show that I have no first hand experience of being buggered (as my character would express it) nor of being a young, aristocratic officer a hundred years ago. I have some academic knowledge about both.
 
CountGustaf said:
Let the record show that I have no first hand experience of being buggered (as my character would express it) nor of being a young, aristocratic officer a hundred years ago. I have some academic knowledge about both.
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I also have no experience banging my mother, but have written a lot of stories about it. I just envision sex with an attractive older woman.

Everyone has things they can and cannot grasp or do. I suppose maybe if I really tried(or some money was dangled in front of me) I could try a GM story, but I keep coming back to why waste time trying something I wouldn't enjoy writing?
 
lovecraft68 said:
I also have no experience banging my mother, but have written a lot of stories about it. I just envision sex with an attractive older woman.

Everyone has things they can and cannot grasp or do. I suppose maybe if I really tried(or some money was dangled in front of me) I could try a GM story, but I keep coming back to why waste time trying something I wouldn't enjoy writing?
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I wasn't trying to discredit your creativity, just defend my reputation as an upstanding hetero white man over 21.
 
CountGustaf said:
I wasn't trying to discredit your creativity, just defend my reputation as an upstanding hetero white man over 21.
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I didn't say you were, I was just making a point that many of us write what we "don't know"

And yes, we will keep your "man card: intact for you.;)

But be warned, say you're 100% hetero on certain boards and you will have many people telling you you're lying because we all know deep down every man that has ever lived has secretly wanted to suck cock:rolleyes:
 
CountGustaf said:
I wasn't trying to discredit your creativity, just defend my reputation as an upstanding hetero white man over 21.
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Which no one is questioning. ;)

I have added a small scene to an (unpublished) story which is light-GM, only hinted at, but that's all. I think I will try writing a GM story at some point. Should be an interesting exercise of putting yourself in other people's shoes.
 
lovecraft68 said:
Really? If the stories here show that its not all that realistic.
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I'm sure those exist, but they would be the ones people don;t hear about as much. Monogamy no matter what the gender is seen as less than sexy here.
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If you really believe that, then you need to check and read some more. Some of the highest rated stories (current/month/year/and all-time) in GM are the multi-chapter gay romances that revolve around monogamy. And those stories are written by both male and female authors. (I currently have 4 chapters of a 6 part series in the top 10 for the month and last time I checked, my parts said I was all male. ;) )

I was also, at first, somewhat shocked by the huge percentage of women that were favoriting and commenting on my stories. The more I looked at it though, not only were they reading the romances but also the stories that were intended to be one off strokers...and they left numerous comments begging for sequels on those wanting me to have a one-night-stand morph into a romance.

Why there is such a female fixation for GM romances, I'm not sure...but I think part of it is that the GM authors tend to put far more romanticism into their work.
 
CountGustaf said:
What say you, why are women fascinated by men sticking their cocks up other men's asses?
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Perhaps because that little stereotype is not quite accurate. Not all gay men are anal oriented; nor do all their sexual activities revolve around or must end with "sticking their cocks up other men's asses." That is no more accurate than stating that all straight couples only fuck in the missionary position with the lights off.

When I first started writing here back in 2009, I was also under the impression that GM was 99% stroke stories for guys, but soon discovered that not only is there a huge female base to satisfy, but also a fairly large GM readership that WANTS the monogamous, loving, romantic tales.

For untold decades, straight men have been instantly turned on by the idea of two women whether it's being part of a threesome or just lesbian sex. Why would anyone find it difficult to believe that straight women can find the idea of two hot men getting it on a turn on also?
 
lovecraft68 said:
I didn't say you were, I was just making a point that many of us write what we "don't know"

And yes, we will keep your "man card: intact for you.;)

But be warned, say you're 100% hetero on certain boards and you will have many people telling you you're lying because we all know deep down every man that has ever lived has secretly wanted to suck cock:rolleyes:
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Whoa, I said I had no first hand experience of being buggered, i.e. assfucked. I've sucked cock, swallowed too. That was obviously way before we heard of goddamn HIV (M. Gauthier).

It's not a big deal. Were it not for HIV, I could do it again, just as a friendly gesture. But it didn't turn me on. That's how I know I'm 100% hetero: I tried the gay scene and discovered that men simply don't turn me on.
 
JKendallDane said:
If you really believe that, then you need to check and read some more. Some of the highest rated stories (current/month/year/and all-time) in GM are the multi-chapter gay romances that revolve around monogamy. And those stories are written by both male and female authors. (I currently have 4 chapters of a 6 part series in the top 10 for the month and last time I checked, my parts said I was all male. ;) )

I was also, at first, somewhat shocked by the huge percentage of women that were favoriting and commenting on my stories. The more I looked at it though, not only were they reading the romances but also the stories that were intended to be one off strokers...and they left numerous comments begging for sequels on those wanting me to have a one-night-stand morph into a romance.

Why there is such a female fixation for GM romances, I'm not sure...but I think part of it is that the GM authors tend to put far more romanticism into their work.
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I didn't say they didn't exist here as stories. What I said is they are a bit unrealistic in the for lack of a better term culture.
 
lovecraft68 said:
I didn't say they didn't exist here as stories. What I said is they are a bit unrealistic in the for lack of a better term culture.
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If I am reading that correctly, you are saying that romance and monogamy is rare amongst gays?

If so...you don't need to read...you need to get out more because it is far more prevalent than you are assuming.
 
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JKendallDane said:
If I am reading that correctly, you are saying that romance and monogamy is rare amongst gays?

If so...you don't need to read...you need to get out more because it is far more prevalent than you are assuming.
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Of course it is.

I must know only the promiscuous ones.:rolleyes:
 
lovecraft68 said:
Of course it is.

I must know only the promiscuous ones.:rolleyes:
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From the sounds of it in your previous posts, I think a more accurate comment would be that you have very LITTLE real world experience to base your statements on.

Now I will grant you that a certain level of promiscuity is indeed something you will find with gays...but in reality it isn't much worse than what you find among straights. Course I am basing that claim on having lived it for more than 40 years instead of internet and CL ads and what four "friends of the wife's" appear to you as the norm.

Perhaps when you can tell me about knowing gay couples (like I do) that have been together for 25-30-40 plus years, then I will grant a slight bit more validity to your belief.
 
JKendallDane said:
From the sounds of it in your previous posts, I think a more accurate comment would be that you have very LITTLE real world experience to base your statements on.

Now I will grant you that a certain level of promiscuity is indeed something you will find with gays...but in reality it isn't much worse than what you find among straights. Course I am basing that claim on having lived it for more than 40 years instead of internet and CL ads and what four "friends of the wife's" appear to you as the norm.

Perhaps when you can tell me about knowing gay couples (like I do) that have been together for 25-30-40 plus years, then I will grant a slight bit more validity to your belief.
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I know about a dozen gay men. One is, I wouldn't say promiscous, but single and dating. Could be looking for someone to settle down with, but unable as yet to find one. All the rest are boring old couples since 5--35 years. No threesomes or foursomes or anything exciting. They are just like heteros, except they are not women.
 
A_Little_Show said:
- Two beautiful men are better than one?
- The absence of women implies the absence of unfavorable mental comparisons made by the reader about herself and the characters?
- Gay men exhibit more loving and tender relationships than wham bam thank you ma'am het males?
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I'll second these three reasons, though not the other ones. Actually if you have ever read an mpreg or omegaverse story, those are specifically designed to examine gender issues rather than sidestepping them. But certainly there's lots of erotica of any kind that avoids one issue or another to improve the reader's escapism and wish fulfillment from the story. Me, I like stories about either a hermaphrodite species or a three-sex species, which are also ways of shaking off some of the social burdens of a male-female world while still getting the "two for the price of one" and "avoid unfavorable mental comparisons to the reader's real self" as mentioned above. Plus in the three-sex species I get to say "threesomes are natural for their species and supported by their society, not unlikely or plagued by jealousy and imbalance like m-m-f or f-f-m threesomes.
 
Most women I have known are not turned on by gay male erotica or porn. There is, however, a significant minority of women I've know who are turned on by it. Most have told me it is visual. Some enjoy a sexual aesthetic that presents itself in androgynous terms. They enjoy models/actors who are more boyish. I knew one woman who didn't look at gay porn but she did collect the little newsletters that advertised gay phone sex and escorts and was turned on by smooth young men posing shirtless in Levis tweaking their breasts or slipping their fingers underneath the waist of their blue jeans.

Why is this? I have no idea about the psychology behind it. The theories posted above make sense.
 
I am a straight female and this thread caught my eye. I love reading fanfiction and have long been puzzled by the fact that most of the female authors exclusively write M/M fanfics, centering around characters who are not gay in the TV shows or in movies in which they appear.

These stories, no matter how badly they're written (some even spell the names of the characters incorrectly) invariably get many positive comments and wild raves. Het stories, even ones I find to be very well written, sexy and hot, get almost no attention.

I've been curious to find an answer about why mostly young women are so enthralled with male homosexuality, so I read the posts in this thread with great interest. All the theories are plausible and offer insight, but I must admit I'm still in the dark.
 
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