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Hoping someone here has up-to-date knowledge about the process in the US for getting an adult hospitalized for a mental health crisis if they aren't willing to go. Long story short, our former 'extra son' has had a few meltdowns recently. He's now living with family out of state. Earlier this week he drove to Chicago to help my daughter move. Apparently the drive stressed him out (not an easy place for a fairly novice driver), and he became more and more unglued. Daughter called me, I talked to my son (extra's BFF), who got in touch with two of their other friends, and ultimately his mom. She is very concerned about a series of behaviors and doesn't really know where to turn. He DOES have a psychiatrist and counselor, now (it was nearly impossible to make happen here).

My first guess is for his mom to contact his 'people' about her concerns, and to convince her son to give her legal access to that information and maybe a medical power of attorney, but I don't know if that will fly. He is 22.

I just don't know how the process works when someone is agitated but uncooperative. :(
 
As far as I know it's nearly impossible when they are cooperative. There is a shortage nationwide of mental health beds. Key is being an danger to ones self and/or others.

Getting with his people is key. Also not letting him be alone for long.

Keep us informed on things if you can.

*HUGS*

FF

:rose:

desertslave said:
Hoping someone here has up-to-date knowledge about the process in the US for getting an adult hospitalized for a mental health crisis if they aren't willing to go. Long story short, our former 'extra son' has had a few meltdowns recently. He's now living with family out of state. Earlier this week he drove to Chicago to help my daughter move. Apparently the drive stressed him out (not an easy place for a fairly novice driver), and he became more and more unglued. Daughter called me, I talked to my son (extra's BFF), who got in touch with two of their other friends, and ultimately his mom. She is very concerned about a series of behaviors and doesn't really know where to turn. He DOES have a psychiatrist and counselor, now (it was nearly impossible to make happen here).

My first guess is for his mom to contact his 'people' about her concerns, and to convince her son to give her legal access to that information and maybe a medical power of attorney, but I don't know if that will fly. He is 22.

I just don't know how the process works when someone is agitated but uncooperative. :(
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Create a habit, set a timer on your phone, something, so that you get that med. *HUGS* And be gentle with yourself, pamper yourself a little with maybe a bath, or whatever you enjoy but don't usually take the time for.

:rose:

Gianbattista said:
I guess maybe my depression might be coming back.

I'm not sure as I didn't recognise it the first time. I have a kind of a fluttery weight behind my sternum like a dying bird, and I think that's it.

I have been a bit remiss with all my medication this week so my anti depressant has been missed, so maybe its just that. I don't feel that tearing desperation or anything like that. Just the dead bird.

I feel able to continue all my daily activities and stuff. This week I asked an unpalatable question of two friends and got answers I did not particularly enjoy, but in don't think that's enough to 'profoundly' rock me, so I think its more my medication.
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Routines shift from a want to a need when things like regular medication are involved. After Master nudged me a few times I got a pill box for every day of the week, which I load on Sunday nights. I always take my morning pills with my coffee and my evening pills right at bedtime. For a while I had midday pills, and I set a timer on my phone so I wouldn't miss them.

Please take good care of yourself, Elle. Missing antidepressant doses can be so much not-fun.
 
The good thing about missing your meds is that it means they are working. :) Obviously you are not feeling bad and brooding over medication, so when you get back into your pattern of taking them you should feel champion again, right? :D
 
Having a tough week with PTSD and dissociation stuff. Feeling a bit meh now. Not too down but not particularly up either. Blanket fort needed i think
 
That's good, that you keep smiling. Also good the anti depressant started working right away.

*hugs*

Gianbattista said:
Right :).

I definitely took every thing tonight too.

When I started anti depressant it started to work very quickly, I felt different within a couple of days. Hopefully I can either fix this bird and leg it free or kill it or whatever, pretty quickly. :D I do not like it fluttering in there like mirrors are breaking around me. And still I smile though:) ?
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Sorry to hear it. *hugs* Blanket forts are pretty awesome.



Beth87 said:
Having a tough week with PTSD and dissociation stuff. Feeling a bit meh now. Not too down but not particularly up either. Blanket fort needed i think
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When I moved here from Brazil I became depressed. I went from a large network of friends to nobody. There was also a language barrier for me here in the states as well that kept me from getting to know people. I believe isolation and not being around people can make one depressed.
On the same token, I believe isolation can lead to addictions. I saw a counselor on campus for an addiction I developed. I isolated myself in an apartment and did homework all day. A once a week porn interest turned into a almost daily habit. I still struggle with it, but when I'm around people or in study groups I don't think about it. The social interaction alleviated my need to look at the sites.
I believe mental illness is real and healthy connections with many people are a remedy for many of the problems. It is for me anyway. I hope everyone experiencing depression finds happiness soon. I know how dark it can get. And on top of addiction, I know how you can find yourself being and acting like someone you don't recognize just to feel excited again. I hope you all find peace.
 
I believe that for extroverts you are correct. Even introverts need a small group of people to whom they feel important and connected. Struggling with addictions or habits that are not healthy isn't easy. Good for you!

SheaLima said:
When I moved here from Brazil I became depressed. I went from a large network of friends to nobody. There was also a language barrier for me here in the states as well that kept me from getting to know people. I believe isolation and not being around people can make one depressed.
On the same token, I believe isolation can lead to addictions. I saw a counselor on campus for an addiction I developed. I isolated myself in an apartment and did homework all day. A once a week porn interest turned into a almost daily habit. I still struggle with it, but when I'm around people or in study groups I don't think about it. The social interaction alleviated my need to look at the sites.
I believe mental illness is real and healthy connections with many people are a remedy for many of the problems. It is for me anyway. I hope everyone experiencing depression finds happiness soon. I know how dark it can get. And on top of addiction, I know how you can find yourself being and acting like someone you don't recognize just to feel excited again. I hope you all find peace.
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Good idea not to cancel your yoga! Keep up the great work!

Gianbattista said:
Shealima, moving cultures is always a challenge. Its something I have done a lot of, and consequently feel I belong of nowhere really. I agree social interaction is a hugely valuable thing, and something often missing in modern society, particularly where we often are far from people who know us well and where there is not a 'village to raise a child' attitude and family are scarce. My closest nearest very close friend is hours away. Others are half a world away. One is moving to be just twenty or thirty miles away. Despite being a very 'open' person in many ways and loving to people I am cautious to befriend close to me geographically as I get older and have so e restrictions in physically getting out and about. This can be a great challenge emotionally, but life is what it is.

I certainly miss my more active social life in many ways :).


I am glad you found help rapidly.

Thank you for hearing me yesterday dear people. I am very pleased I recognised this early and was brave enough to voice it, even if just here. :). I hope its an important step to recognise it.

Today I really want to cancel my yoga, which is a highlight of my week, but I will not as I know that's not me really and that it will do me no good. Today is a 'no pain no gain' day I feel and that I need a little back bone to push through the morning.

I will, indeed be having a delicious bath though and some self nurture to bolster my spirits, with some orange oil.
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Had to laugh at a note from my mentally ill mother to my mentally ill adult child yesterday in which she says she doesn't use or need anti psychotic meds because she never loses touch with reality and never is destructive or spends a lot. Yeah, yeah, she does. WTF?!?

Also mood leveling meds don't work for her. No. Nothing works when you don't take it correctly and/or drink with it.
 
It really CAN get better!

Today I am marking a solid month since the clouds parted for me. In retrospect, I was struggling for much longer than I realized (gee, thanks, hindsight). I am so grateful for loving family and encouraging friends both r/l and o/l, most especially the kind voices here in this thread.

I'm especially grateful to Master for putting up with me, persevering when things got ugly, and encouraging me even when I suspect he would have more cheerfully locked me in a closet or some such. It's been a rough road. I'm still not sure where it is heading, but I've got my own feet solidly under me again, and that's a tremendous relief.
 
Gianbattista said:
I don't feel 'the bird' any more. This is good news. But, I have moved to feeling something is just wrong with me. ( I laugh at myself, you friends are encouraged to laugh with me ). Wondering if I need maybe sex therapy or why I cannot get connected with things properly, but i also would not WANT sex therapy, so no point wasting time wondering if it would help, lol. Feeling a lot of mixed emotions that I do not think are 'mental illness' or depression just normal to work through things, combined with other issues which relate probably to more deeper seated issues and get muddled up a bit.
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Please don't take this as alarmist, but when was the last time you saw your regular doctor for a thorough physical? Sometimes that 'not quite right' feeling can be an indicator of heart or circulatory problems. OR the 'not connected' feeling might be a medication side effect. Both are very much worth discussing with your doctor.
 
I'm celebrating today, just because I'm noticing, as my niece would say. Noticing a lovely long stretch of calm, productive, happy days. Master and I haven't bickered in ages. I can credit our counseling for some of that, and likely both of us being good on our meds. We are Getting Things Done....many chores that have been long delayed and put us both in a funk, though I don't think either of us quite realized that the feeling was mutual. There's a pleasant companionship that had long been missing, even if we're sneezing our heads off from dusting. At least we are sneezing together. LOL

I'm treasuring the calm. It's not perfect, but so much better. I get the distinct feeling that Master is appreciating the quiet home front as well. :rose:
 
How wonderful to hear.

*HUGS*

:rose:

desertslave said:
I'm celebrating today, just because I'm noticing, as my niece would say. Noticing a lovely long stretch of calm, productive, happy days. Master and I haven't bickered in ages. I can credit our counseling for some of that, and likely both of us being good on our meds. We are Getting Things Done....many chores that have been long delayed and put us both in a funk, though I don't think either of us quite realized that the feeling was mutual. There's a pleasant companionship that had long been missing, even if we're sneezing our heads off from dusting. At least we are sneezing together. LOL

I'm treasuring the calm. It's not perfect, but so much better. I get the distinct feeling that Master is appreciating the quiet home front as well. :rose:
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I have a bipolar friend. She consistently begs me to not let her stop taking her medication when she is in her low phases, and then stops, no matter what I do, in her manic phases. She stopped several weeks ago, and I see her cycling down, yet she blames it on everything other than the fact that she won't take her meds. Aaarrrgghhhh! I hate watching her shred herself against her disease over and over. I feel so helpless.
 
Collar_N_Cuffs said:
I have a bipolar friend. She consistently begs me to not let her stop taking her medication when she is in her low phases, and then stops, no matter what I do, in her manic phases. She stopped several weeks ago, and I see her cycling down, yet she blames it on everything other than the fact that she won't take her meds. Aaarrrgghhhh! I hate watching her shred herself against her disease over and over. I feel so helpless.
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First, hugs for you and your friend! When I was inpatient, I learned of this phenomenon with bipolar people. On the upswing, they feel "better" and seem to talk themselves into believing that they've recovered and don't need the meds, when in fact it is the meds that have gotten them into that better phase, and they will only continue to feel better on the meds. But they simply don't perceive it that way. I can't explain that perception. I don't think most bipolar people can really explain it either.

It seems to be worse when they've never experienced a 'medication' lifestyle, i.e. someone who needs a regular med for another condition. There is a necessary recognition for people with a chronic illness (hypertension, diabetes, etc.) that those meds must become an integral part of their lives. It is the same for mental illness, but so many people seem to want to think differently about it.

What I heard, over and over in group sessions that had bipolar people, is that they need to think of those meds as something they need, every day, to live at their best. Repeat, repeat, repeat. There is no "but I'm better now." Bipolar is a chronic illness; there is no "better" that doesn't include medication.

And yes, I know that's easier said than done. HUGS!
 
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