Thoughts About Writing Incest

Right? I don't follow through with some of my darker stories not just because they won't be well received, but because they become too emotionally taxing on me to write. But I don't condemn them either. I saw a pretty effed up Japanese movie called Strange Circus about a twisted father/daughter/mother/cello case affair.
On a lighter note, I wonder how popular the brother/sister kink is in mainstream culture, like as an actual sexual practice. I'm writing a story and considering having the bro sis couple encounter a random couple while hiking, and that couple happened to hear the outdoor threeway they had the day before. I figure it will be the couple's secret kink and they assume it's the brother's and sister's too, not that they're actually related. Of course, the other couple could actually be related too.

My take is sibcest is a lot more common than people think and not just among poor rural 'trailer trash'

I think sibs is far more acceptable than parent/child. If they are close in age they are peers and its not a power dynamic, they are members of the opposite sex who are very close to each other at the age of curiosity and that line can be blurred and crossed without a lot of motivation.

I know of more than a few people over the years who have admitted to some form of sexual contact with a sibling even if it was show me yours....up to some havy petting or more...most often it happensa a few times then they drift off as they meet other members of the opposite sex.

We think about this a lot, don't we?:eek:
 
On a lighter note, I wonder how popular the brother/sister kink is in mainstream culture, like as an actual sexual practice.
IRL it's usually an older brother raping his sister. That works as a cautionary tale, not erotica. I've written tales where little sister sees big bro as the one strong fixture in her life and tales where little bro is dominated by big sis. I don't consider those as anything but fantasies.
 
I should clarify- I meant pure fantasy, role-playing wise. I know D/d gets its fair play but I wonder how many couples have watched an episode of GoT and been inspired to try bro/sis. At any rate, that's the couple I'm making up :).
And bro/sis IRL has tons of variations, not always abusive or with unfair power dynamics. But I think that depends on whether the interest grows out of natural sexual urges or deep emotional needs.
 
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I should clarify- I meant pure fantasy, role-playing wise. I know D/d gets its fair play but I wonder how many couples have watched an episode of GoT and been inspired to try bro/sis. At any rate, that's the couple I'm making up :).

We've role played siblings for years, long before that filth came out.

Funny how incest here is sick, but put it on HBO and its awesome....:rolleyes:

I'm fortunate that I have a spouse that shares the same kinks, many don't. We generally play big sister/younger brother but here and there other way around.

About ten years ago we went on a cruise. So on many of these you sit at the same table for dinner at night, but the last night of the cruise we ended up sitting with four other couples we hadn't sat with before.

So my wife says let's have some fun...

We introduce ourselves with fake names then say we're brother and sister. During the course of the meal my wife has her arm around me, she's putting her head on my shoulder, holding my hand over the table and pretty much being way more affectionate than a bro/sis should be.

We're getting the sidelong looks, the uncomfortable stares, there's some awkward silences, especially when my wife gets up to use the bathroom and when I see one of the guys kind of side ways checking her out say. "Yeah, my sister's got a nice ass, no?"

Near the end of the meal, she just turns to me and kisses me, get ups takes my hand and announces. "I can't wait anymore let's go back to the cabin, little brother."

I say, but I want dessert.

She replies. I'm your dessert, now let's go.

Doubt they were amused, but we were. That's what its about.
 
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I should clarify- I meant pure fantasy, role-playing wise. I know D/d gets its fair play but I wonder how many couples have watched an episode of GoT and been inspired to try bro/sis. At any rate, that's the couple I'm making up :).
I've only seen some hot-bits compilations of GoT scenes (pretty vanilla) not any of the shows or books. Pity. Prior literary series had bro-sis fucking but with no notable increases in incest prosecutions. Did LOLITA provoke statch?

And bro/sis IRL has tons of variations, not always abusive or with unfair power dynamics. But I think that depends on whether the interest grows out of natural sexual urges or deep emotional needs.
Not always, but all too often. I write speculation. What if a close relative had lived? Would we be intimate? Would one be abusive? Would our incest be IRL-ugly or LIT-smoothed or what? What settings might provoke any result?
 
Real life incest is a lot more common than people want to think.

Especially between Sibs. Think about it, your brother/sister is a member of the opposite sex that you're very close to, you hit early teens, you're curious, you're horny...there are many people who had 'show me yours I'll show you mine' experiences with siblings, they might not have gone as far as sex, but kissing, touching, heavy petting, even oral...

In most cases its only a few times and a phase and as soon as they start getting involved with a boyfriend/girlfriend it ends, but for a few it keeps going.

I'll admit to thinking sibling incest is sexy(providing they are close in age and its not a case of a much older one taking advantage of....and its all consensual) because sibs are peers, equals....

But in real life cases of parent/child even if the child is an adult its wrong a parent should always know better and let's face it, it does not start at eighteen, daddy was in the cookie jar well before daughter dearest went to college.

I know this post is an older post, but it brings to mind a good point.

When people say that incest is a result of hardships and troubled existances, it's true only to a point. I'll try to break this down in a way that makes sense to the very, very few that have never experienced an incestuous encounter. And I may be disliked for my view on the subject but oh well.

Yes, there are instances where incest is the product of abuse (parent/child | aunt or uncle/niece or nephew | older siblings/younger siblings)... Generally the age gap makes this a case of taking advantage or some other situation that is wrong. And there are instances where it's consensual.

BUT... The instances where it's abuse or some type of product of negativity do NOT out weigh the consensual occurrences by that much. And here's why I say this.

If you have an abusive past and go get help, then you become part of the statistic.. if you had consensual sex with your cousin, whether it was once or went on for 20 years, you don't become part of the static because you both kept it a secret.

The reason readers like to hear about the 'good', the 'flirty', the 'sensual', the 'exciting' is because almost everyone is aroused by the forbidden but incest is super common. There's maybe 5% of guys that haven't thought about a family member sexually, or checked out a relatives ass. Same with women! It's only society's darkened view that has made it so shameful that a person is ashamed for thinking it.

Incest wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't a secretly desired and practiced thing by the majority of people.

If you say you haven't had some kind of sexual play with a relative, whether it be sex, kissing, touching, looking, flirting, or a risqué game of truth or dare or strip poker then you are either lying, you haven't acted on your thoughts and haven't been approached by a relative with the same thoughts, or you came into existence by spontaneous materialization and have no reliatives. (And don't think the playful laughing and play fights with your sister isn't flirting. If it would be seen as flirting if she wasn't kin to you, then it's still flirting if she is.)

As for writing about it, it's all about the situation. People like the approach, the seductive actions in secret, the unspoken, the sneaking around, THE FORBIDDEN.

I write about it because I like it. I've experienced it. And I know the truth about it. I'm not affected by society's views. But without the negativity produced by those views, it wouldn't be as exciting... Because it wouldn't be forbidden.
 
I know this post is an older post, but it brings to mind a good point.

When people say that incest is a result of hardships and troubled existances, it's true only to a point. I'll try to break this down in a way that makes sense to the very, very few that have never experienced an incestuous encounter. And I may be disliked for my view on the subject but oh well.

Yes, there are instances where incest is the product of abuse (parent/child | aunt or uncle/niece or nephew | older siblings/younger siblings)... Generally the age gap makes this a case of taking advantage or some other situation that is wrong. And there are instances where it's consensual.

BUT... The instances where it's abuse or some type of product of negativity do NOT out weigh the consensual occurrences by that much. And here's why I say this.

If you have an abusive past and go get help, then you become part of the statistic.. if you had consensual sex with your cousin, whether it was once or went on for 20 years, you don't become part of the static because you both kept it a secret.

The reason readers like to hear about the 'good', the 'flirty', the 'sensual', the 'exciting' is because almost everyone is aroused by the forbidden but incest is super common. There's maybe 5% of guys that haven't thought about a family member sexually, or checked out a relatives ass. Same with women! It's only society's darkened view that has made it so shameful that a person is ashamed for thinking it.

Incest wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't a secretly desired and practiced thing by the majority of people.

If you say you haven't had some kind of sexual play with a relative, whether it be sex, kissing, touching, looking, flirting, or a risqué game of truth or dare or strip poker then you are either lying, you haven't acted on your thoughts and haven't been approached by a relative with the same thoughts, or you came into existence by spontaneous materialization and have no reliatives. (And don't think the playful laughing and play fights with your sister isn't flirting. If it would be seen as flirting if she wasn't kin to you, then it's still flirting if she is.)

As for writing about it, it's all about the situation. People like the approach, the seductive actions in secret, the unspoken, the sneaking around, THE FORBIDDEN.

I write about it because I like it. I've experienced it. And I know the truth about it. I'm not affected by society's views. But without the negativity produced by those views, it wouldn't be as exciting... Because it wouldn't be forbidden.

Hoodsman.....I agree. I concur...and your words say a lot. I know, like you know.

Great words....
"I write about it because I like it. I've experienced it. And I know the truth about it. I'm not affected by society's views. But without the negativity produced by those views, it wouldn't be as exciting... Because it wouldn't be forbidden."
 
The reason readers like to hear about the 'good', the 'flirty', the 'sensual', the 'exciting' is because almost everyone is aroused by the forbidden but incest is super common. There's maybe 5% of guys that haven't thought about a family member sexually, or checked out a relative's ass. Same with women! It's only society's darkened view that has made it that
95% have had incestual thoughts? Based on what empirical evidence, exactly?

Even on Lit, Incest doesn't generate 95% of the story content - even if there was a corollary to the greater population, which I very much doubt.
 
That said, plenty of moms make their kids available to men and women. That said, too, plenty kids have no problemo with it. So I believe incest is common
 
This the brother-sister “incest” scene from the anime Nisemonogatari. It’s one of the most neurotic pieces of animation ever filmed.

https://m.imgur.com/5T79t0h?r

(no sound unfortunately, but still needs to be seen.)
 
About the argumentative.

95% have had incestual thoughts? Based on what empirical evidence, exactly?

Even on Lit, Incest doesn't generate 95% of the story content - even if there was a corollary to the greater population, which I very much doubt.

I said MAYBE.. statistics are estimates.. and I never said it generated 95% of the story content. Lol that would mean that it was the main focus of all sexual fantasies represented by expression on this site except for 5%>> now that would be a ridiculous statement. Not only would that make incest more mainstream than any other sexual situation.. but it would also make it not taboo at all. I Never said it anything about 95% of the story content. That itself would go against my whole post because if 95% of the stories were written about incest, it would be obvious that it was a common thought and I'm talking about people not admitting it.

I said MAYBE there are 5% that haven't looked at a relative sexually or checked out a relatives ass.

Now it doesn't have to be based on some "EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE" to be an estimation. In fact I will guarantee that you have done it. (Although because of the simple fact that I said you have, you will undoubtedly deny it.)

It doesn't matter whether you will admit to the playtime with your brother or sister or the games and flirting that existed between you and a cousin as teens, you not admitting it makes you part of group I was talking about.

Point is... It's is a lot more common than people WILL ADMIT and it contains a lot more even of a noncon to consensual ratio than the people want you to think, and it's some of the people that are so boldly and openly against it that are making the incest porn search numbers skyrocket and making my smashwords paychecks go up.
 
In fact I will guarantee that you have done it. (Although because of the simple fact that I said you have, you will undoubtedly deny it.)

No, you can't guarantee any such thing. I think you grossly overestimate how many have such thoughts about relatives. Just because you might . . .
 
No, you can't guarantee any such thing. I think you grossly overestimate how many have such thoughts about relatives. Just because you might . . .

Oooo-kay, well hold on while I bust out the whistle I blow to bring out every moron with a keybored that takes everything to a point of me having to break out the dictionary to defend my statements because they decide to argue a point that doesn't involve them.

I'll break this down in simple terms for you.. after everything in my original post.. the last person pulled out the calculator and figure out that 100 - 5 = 95.. and said.. "that sure is a high number, let's argue about something that doesn't involve me, let's argue false statements, and completely miss what the post actually said."

Now you come up... Lol ok
.. have you ever said "I bet that burger is good!" Did you break out money or call a bookie?

NO!

Have you said "I guarantee that car is fast."?

Did you call your attorney and have a contract drawn up saying. "As pertaining to statement made, said car will reach 77 mph in 2.8 seconds or therefore will be declared as [not fast] and will then....." ? No.

The use of words and phrases like "I bet/I'll bet" or "I guarantee/I'll guarantee" can be used to express BELIEF ...


I bet/I’ll bet

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‘I couldn’t say no to an offer like that.’ – ‘I’ll bet!’
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of course, OK, all right...


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2. I bet/I’ll bet (that)

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I bet you the train will be late.
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Ways of saying you are sure:

surely, undoubtedly,
correct me if I’m wrong... (Not correct me cause I can't prove an opinion or belief... I feel like pointing out that you are using an idiom..)

Now..... Just because someone posts their opinion and you disagree, doesn't mean the other person is wrong. Don't like the subject matter? don't read it. But arguing opinion, telling someone they are WRONG when they are say "I bet the burger is good" Is like grabbing the burger and showing them the burger in fact is not good. Their statement didn't say the burger WAS good... And therefore they aren't wrong either way.. it's a statement.. and it is pointless to argue right or wrong when you are discussing opinion, estimates, or just general statements of observation. You can't prove me wrong, so don't argue stupid points..

So.. don't like my statement? I don't care. .. but think I'm completely wrong? .. oh well..

Now, there was a part of your post I didn't attack.. your opinion. You say you "think I grossly overestimated"... Good, think what you want.. lol

Now have a good day.
 
Did LOLITA provoke statch?

Considering "lolita" is now a term for a sexually precocious young girl and inspired an entire Japanese fashion trend sexualizing childlike attributes, I'm guessing YES. And since the movie versions make Lolita out to be the aggressor, and Humbert Humbert like a victim of her feminine wiles, it probably helps men justify their own criminal actions. The book, btw, alludes to the actual kidnapping case of Sally Horner which was scary though not unique.
I just write sexy fantasy incest stories that veer to the romantic end of raunchy. Nothing like Lolita.
Prior literary series had bro-sis fucking but with no notable increases in incest prosecutions.
I specifically said fantasy role-playing, not real incest, so not sure how prosecution rates are relevant?
 
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There's maybe 5% of guys that haven't thought about a family member sexually, or checked out a relatives ass. Same with women! It's only society's darkened view that has made it so shameful that a person is ashamed for thinking it.

I imagine this is more common than we like to admit as a society, but some of the others who've commented on this are right to suggest you just pulled this from thin air. This isn't a statistic; it's a guess. It could be 5%; it could be 75%. Who knows? Nobody's guess is any better than anyone else's without empirical support. That seems to be very hard to find on this topic, from the little research I've done.

I don't have a sister, I didn't grow up seeing my cousins very often, my aunt died when I was little, and I never lusted after my mom. And lusting after or fooling around with my brother -- ick. Absolutely not. So I can say, in my case, I'm definitely part of the 5%, or whatever%. My fondness for writing these stories comes out of my imagination, not some dark place that was created after staring at a relative's ass.
 
I imagine this is more common than we like to admit as a society, but some of the others who've commented on this are right to suggest you just pulled this from thin air. This isn't a statistic; it's a guess. It could be 5%; it could be 75%. Who knows? Nobody's guess is any better than anyone else's without empirical support. That seems to be very hard to find on this topic, from the little research I've done.

I don't have a sister, I didn't grow up seeing my cousins very often, my aunt died when I was little, and I never lusted after my mom. And lusting after or fooling around with my brother -- ick. Absolutely not. So I can say, in my case, I'm definitely part of the 5%, or whatever%. My fondness for writing these stories comes out of my imagination, not some dark place that was created after staring at a relative's ass.

^^^ This.

I also must be part of that microscopic 5%. I have never lusted after any of my family. I didn't have a sister. I didn't lust after my mom, although I did lust after the girl next door. And while I do write about incestuous relationships, I have never had one nor thought about having one.

P.S. By the way, Mom was beautiful, my cousin and I were close and she was beautiful, I had aunts that were beautiful. Never once thought about them in bed with me...yuck.
 
Oooo-kay, well hold on while I bust out the whistle I blow to bring out every moron with a keybored that takes everything to a point of me having to break out the dictionary to defend my statements because they decide to argue a point that doesn't involve them.

I'll break this down in simple terms for you.. after everything in my original post.. the last person pulled out the calculator and figure out that 100 - 5 = 95.. and said.. "that sure is a high number, let's argue about something that doesn't involve me, let's argue false statements, and completely miss what the post actually said."

Now you come up... Lol ok
.. have you ever said "I bet that burger is good!" Did you break out money or call a bookie?

Hi. I'm the occasionally-resident word pedant here. You misspelled keyboard. You're also an incredibly sloppy thinker and communicator, but I think that's deliberate. So let's attempt to clarify what you "really said."

You claim 95% of people have checked out a relative's ass. You don't mean literally 95%; which means people can't know what you actually mean. But you do appear to be attempting to bridge "checking out a relative's ass" to "incestuous thoughts." So I'll infer that you're attempting to state that some large percentage of the population has incestuous thoughts. You also seem to suggest that this can be ok.

My reply is "get stuffed." Like many people who wave numbers when they don't mean them, you're attempting to preach a worldview without a single shred of backing evidence. You did something, apparently, and now you want to state it's normal, when in fact all you're trying to do is normalize it. And you're doing it badly, and mocking people who are legitimately asking you to be precise and clear. There's a reason they want you to be precise - you're making wild, unsubstantiated, and from many people's perspectives, entirely repulsive claims. You *better* have substantial proof on your side if you're going to assert this stuff. And you don't. I doubt you're the sort who bothers with things like studies. You're too busy trying to assert, to yourself and anyone who will listen, that your particular desire is "really" very mainstream.

It's not. It's rarely even legal, as practiced, and if you think it's mainsteam (however quietly), ask any mother if they're ok with their daughter having sexual experiences with a father or brother. Let me know if you get even 50% acceptance for the idea. Let me know if you get even 1%. Then ask any young female, before she's had any sexual experiences, if she likes the idea. Let me know if you find even one.

It's a universally derided practice because it's been attempted, lots of times, and it's been observed to be destructive behaviour. It's the single most widely disdained taboo in cultures, both modern and ancient. Maybe you think in your case, no harm done. Maybe you're right - in your case. But that doesn't give you the right to try to overturn centuries (millennia) of observations, across virtually all cultures, that it's predatory behaviour at root, generally aimed at people too inexperienced and vulnerable to give informed consent, and often becomes cyclically destructive behaviour. Feel free to Google for some facts, if you're curious. Just for a change of pace.

Note I call it a desire, not a "kink". Real life incest is a disease, not a kink. It's what I've seen a 17 year old brother attempt to do to a 16 year old girl - and would have succeeded if I haven't intervened. It's what I learned happened to a 14 year old girl by her supposedly respectable father - and 40 years later she was still in counseling and working through trust issues, and roleplaying her sexuality because she couldn't handle it any other way. It's what every creditable psychologist decries as sexual abuse, even when the (almost invariably underage) participants are within 5 years of each other.

But you think you can justify it by claiming people check out asses. Yeah. Maybe you needed to do a little less of that and a little more actual research? Just saying.
 
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It's a universally derided practice because it's been attempted, lots of times, and it's been observed to be destructive behaviour. It's the single most widely disdained taboo in cultures, both modern and ancient.

You are wrong. The hated act of incest you speak of is perpetrated by rapists who takes advantage of the closest accessible victim they know. They don't rape for the sake of incest. They rape because they are soulless cowards. The disgust people feel for the crime of incest isn't the incest. They do not believe that the incest was the sole crime committed and ignore the rape. They are disgusted by the act of someone raping a relative, abusing trust, and forcing someone they're suppose to love and protect into the horrible position of being a victim of rape.

I see you pen stories concentrating on mind control &, non-con/reluctance: rape. You can't hide your moral indecencies behind the victims of rape who happen to be forced into incest as well.
 
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Why didn't you just go ahead and post in your usual Lit. account name, "BB"? Pretty much all of the regulars here know who gets set off at Hands on this topic and rants to high heaven about it.
 
Why didn't you just go ahead and post in your usual Lit. account name, "BB"? Pretty much all of the regulars here know who gets set off at Hands on this topic and rants to high heaven about it.

No problem. I'd taken a long break from this place and am likely to take another one. I only dropped by to check on a couple of people. People with aliases, people with a history of slander, people trying to spin incest as acceptable... I write dark fiction. I'm not interested in being dark in real life, or closely associated with people that are.

Y'all keep it real, now. Fiction is for stories. Peace.
 
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