confused regarding orientation : masochism & submissiveness are two separate traits

satindesire said:

No doubt! But we need to make sure that we aren't encouraging him to flash nonconsenting women, as per the fetishes he's stated here and in the linked thread.

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i pity you.really.
we all have kinks & that‘s why we are here at lit.
but what you do under the veil of morale police is nothing but stroking up a fight everywhere by invading & hitting out at people.that‘s the way you take out your frustrations i guess.i wonder how your family members tolerate you.either they must be very calm as a seer or deaf to tolerate all those illogical factless venom spewing bimbo talk.is that the best use of your adrenalin & testosterone?
i know what you will say now.you being a woman don‘t have any testosterone.wrong facts.it‘s zona reticularis .oh, theca cells too produce that in a woman‘s body under the effect of lh.in a normal woman, the androstendione converts to estrogen by peripheral aromatisation.i guess the process is defective in you (pcos), causing you to have high testo, the reason behind your rowdy war monger attitude.leave it, i forgot the person i am talking to.an ignorant dumbhead racist who selectively attacks people.some of your posts are laughter generating indicating towards your level of literacy & iq.
being ugly & being a nerd are two separate things.beauty is all about gentleness i think.in your case, both the inner soul & outer attitude render serious flaws.go for a counselling man, cottonsatire.

bi_sub_lady_doc said:

i pity you.really.
we all have kinks & that‘s why we are here at lit.
but what you do under the veil of morale police is nothing but stroking up a fight everywhere by invading & hitting out at people.that‘s the way you take out your frustrations i guess.i wonder how your family members tolerate you.either they must be very calm as a seer or deaf to tolerate all those illogical factless venom spewing bimbo talk.is that the best use of your adrenalin & testosterone?
i know what you will say now.you being a woman don‘t have any testosterone.wrong facts.it‘s zona reticularis .oh, theca cells too produce that in a woman‘s body under the effect of lh.in a normal woman, the androstendione converts to estrogen by peripheral aromatisation.i guess the process is defective in you (pcos), causing you to have high testo, the reason behind your rowdy war monger attitude.leave it, i forgot the person i am talking to.an ignorant dumbhead racist who selectively attacks people.some of your posts are laughter generating indicating towards your level of literacy & iq.
being ugly & being a nerd are two separate things.beauty is all about gentleness i think.in your case, both the inner soul & outer attitude render serious flaws.go for a counselling man, cottonsatire.

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Oh come off it.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59465846&postcount=93

You're a transphobic, sexist, sexual offending bigot, not fit for this site or any other.

Go ahead and try and lay the racist "Victim" card down, asshole, no one's taking the bait.

We have proof of your bigotry in your own posts, spread out all over this site. Go ahead and post proof of ours or shut your trap about it.

OP is indeed problematic. But being misogynist doesn't make them any less female, if trans they are. Nor does racism or classism make them less female, I wish it did.

So let's not misgender, thanks. It's no surprise that someone would attack viciously if you call her 'he.' And it's somewhat beside the point. (And the post-op transsexual women I know all have lovely little clitties, nothing like as thick as mine-- after all, those clits were constructed by male surgeons....)

Sub_lady_doc, we inthis predominately middle class culture of the U.S. of A. have a very very strong moral imperative to never ver involve people in our kink unless they have consented to be part of it, We ALWAYS council against accidental flashing. For one thing, no young girl needs to see your cunt-- or any other configuration you might have-- and for another, if they object strongly enough, you could land in jail and then the issue of misgendering could become one of primary importance and a threat to the quality of your life.

Don't do it. That's what I say.


Although your argument about androgen sensitivity is a good one, following it up with ad hominem attacks on an intelligent and highly respected member of this group makes me pretty sure that I don't want to indulge you any further. You're showing yourself to be a classist entitled bitch.

Stella_Omega said:

OP is indeed problematic. But being misogynist doesn't make them any less female, if trans they are. Nor does racism or classism make them less female, I wish it did.

So let's not misgender, thanks. It's no surprise that someone would attack viciously if you call her 'he.' And it's somewhat beside the point. (And the post-op transsexual women I know all have lovely little clitties, nothing like as thick as mine-- after all, those clits were constructed by male surgeons....)

Sub_lady_doc, we inthis predominately middle class culture of the U.S. of A. have a very very strong moral imperative to never ver involve people in our kink unless they have consented to be part of it, We ALWAYS council against accidental flashing. For one thing, no young girl needs to see your cunt-- or any other configuration you might have-- and for another, if they object strongly enough, you could land in jail and then the issue of misgendering could become one of primary importance and a threat to the quality of your life.

Don't do it. That's what I say.


Although your argument about androgen sensitivity is a good one, following it up with ad hominem attacks on an intelligent and highly respected member of this group makes me pretty sure that I don't want to indulge you any further. You're showing yourself to be a classist entitled bitch.

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I'm not calling him a male because I'm purposefully misgendering him nor am I calling him male because he's a misogynist. I'm calling him male because he IS. He got caught trying to pull off three pictures on his profile/avatar as "herself"(now removed after he was called out on his lies) when in the other thread, they were found out to be poorly photoshopped images stolen from google.

He's also tried this same crap with his last alias on here, apparently MeekMe remembered him as "LesbianDoctor".

I would absolutely NEVER misgender someone to be mean, I can be pretty ornery but I would NEVER be bigoted towards someone out of spite. No one deserves that, not even that pile of transphobic crap.

satindesire said:

I'm not calling him a male because I'm purposefully misgendering him nor am I calling him male because he's a misogynist. I'm calling him male because he IS. He got caught trying to pull off three pictures on his profile/avatar as "herself"(now removed after he was called out on his lies) when in the other thread, they were found out to be poorly photoshopped images stolen from google.

He's also tried this same crap with his last alias on here, apparently MeekMe remembered him as "LesbianDoctor".

I would absolutely NEVER misgender someone to be mean, I can be pretty ornery but I would NEVER be bigoted towards someone out of spite. No one deserves that, not even that pile of transphobic crap.

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Um. No. You are not the person who gets to decide what someone's gender is. Not even if you don't approve of their behavior. Not even if they show themselves to be transphobic-- we don't misgender.

Most trans women I know look exactly like men, and live their lives as men IRL, and can only present as female online, with the help of photoshopped images off of google. It doesn't make them any less a female.

Attack every thing shitty thing about her that you like, but accept her stated gender. Please. Don't 'out' on account of your moral qualms, because that's what WBC does too, on account of theirs.

Stella_Omega said:

Um. No. You are not the person who gets to decide what someone's gender is. Not even if you don't approve of their behavior. Not even if they show themselves to be transphobic-- we don't misgender.

Most trans women I know look exactly like men, and live their lives as men IRL, and can only present as female online, with the help of photoshopped images off of google. It doesn't make them any less a female.

Attack every thing shitty thing about her that you like, but accept her stated gender. Please. Don't 'out' on account of your moral qualms, because that's what WBC does too, on account of theirs.

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This person is deliberately and predatorially claiming to be a gender he is not in order to make women feel more at ease with him so that he can solicit masturbation material out of them.

He is a PREDATOR, not a marginalized transgender woman.

satindesire said:

This person is deliberately and predatorially claiming to be a gender he is not in order to make women feel more at ease with him so that he can solicit masturbation material out of them.

He is a PREDATOR, not a marginalized transgender woman.

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SHE's a predator AND a woman.
It's perfectly possible. I can give you a half-dozen examples from my own personal experience.

Her bad behavior should indeed be called out. But it still has no bearing on your right to out her sex, or her transness.

It's just not done, dear heart. Bad form.

Stella_Omega said:

SHE's a predator AND a transgender woman.

Her bad behavior should indeed be called out. But it still has no bearing on your right to out her sex.


It's just not done, dear heart. Bad form.

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You don't even know that he's transgender, you're ASSUMING and Guessing and you're totally willing to overlook the fact that he's deliberately lying in order to ease women into a false sense of security (Because another woman would never take advantage of me the way a man would!) in order to predate them, just to satisfy your own misplaced sense of gender outrage. You are a WONDERFUL person to stick up for transgender rights and I adore your passion for social justice. HOWEVER...This person does not deserve your protection. I won't be bigoted towards them but I also won't lie for them, especially when because of it, other women could get hurt.

I love you Stella, but we're going to have to agree to disagree.

satindesire said:

You don't even know that he's transgender, you're totally willing to overlook the fact that he's deliberately lying in order to ease women into a false sense of security (Because another woman would never take advantage of me the way a man would!) in order to predate them, just to satisfy your own misplaced sense of gender outrage.

I love you Stella, but we're going to have to agree to disagree.

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Nope. You're going to have to agree to shut up on this one. Listen a little bit more carefully to the trans guy here, as an ally should. Listen to MY lived experience, okay?

We are not the ones who are allowed to second guess her. If she's a shitty person, than shitty indeed she is, but her shittiness has NOTHING to do with her stated gender.
I can give you a half dozen examples of women predators both cis and trans, and it would be much better for your theoretical lady victims to hear you talking about the fact that WOMEN do not always have each other's best interests at heart, rather than letting them think otherwise. You want to run around and warn women about her? No problem. Let them know that this lady doctor is just looking for wank material.

You do not have the authority to bestow passing privileges or withhold them depending on someone being nice enough for your standards. That's what I would call 'gender outrage.' Also, "cis privilege." Now shut up long enough to start thinking, okay?

Stella_Omega said:

Sub_lady_doc, we inthis predominately middle class culture of the U.S. of A. have a very very strong moral imperative to never ver involve people in our kink unless they have consented to be part of it, We ALWAYS council against accidental flashing. For one thing, no young girl needs to see your cunt-- or any other configuration you might have-- and for another, if they object strongly enough, you could land in jail and then the issue of misgendering could become one of primary importance and a threat to the quality of your life.

Don't do it. That's what I say.


Although your argument about androgen sensitivity is a good one, following it up with ad hominem attacks on an intelligent and highly respected member of this group makes me pretty sure that I don't want to indulge you any further. You're showing yourself to be a classist entitled bitch.

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stella , i am never gonna do anything which is utterly obscene or comes under the gambit of breaking the laws.after all , my security & reputation concern to me maximum.i know where to draw the line dear.moreover i know the thick line between fantasy & real.
i was left with no option than reverting back to cottonsatire & his cahoots, in the face of their vitriolic attack.it was she/he who started all these unnecessarry stuff.i just retaliated.

satindesire said:

Oh come off it.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59465846&postcount=93

You're a transphobic, sexist, sexual offending bigot, not fit for this site or any other.

Go ahead and try and lay the racist "Victim" card down, asshole, no one's taking the bait.

We have proof of your bigotry in your own posts, spread out all over this site. Go ahead and post proof of ours or shut your trap about it.

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you are only fit to be photo framed along with the likes of hitlem saddam or laden.
go ahead & take all your racist, morale police/ war monger‘s ‘ troll‘ claw out, before anyone put you in the right place, that of a kennel.
you talking of me taking advantage of other woman? there are many women who talked to me, go & ask them whether i ‘ took advantage ‘ of them.i hardly talked of sex to them, forget about asking for photo no etc.barring two of my fellow country-Woman, i even never pmed any one on my own for the first time.if anyone can contradict me, i am ready to lick your ass.go ahead

Stella_Omega said:

Nope. You're going to have to agree to shut up on this one. Listen a little bit more carefully to the trans guy here, as an ally should. Listen to MY lived experience, okay?

We are not the ones who are allowed to second guess her. If she's a shitty person, than shitty indeed she is, but her shittiness has NOTHING to do with her stated gender.
I can give you a half dozen examples of women predators both cis and trans, and it would be much better for your theoretical lady victims to hear you talking about the fact that WOMEN do not always have each other's best interests at heart, rather than letting them think otherwise. You want to run around and warn women about her? No problem. Let them know that this lady doctor is just looking for wank material.

You do not have the authority to bestow passing privileges or withhold them depending on someone being nice enough for your standards. That's what I would call 'gender outrage.' Also, "cis privilege." Now shut up long enough to start thinking, okay?

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Oh My God. I'm not stating to you what -I- think about women. I -know- women can be just as predatory as men. I am stating the stereotype that OTHER women (not myself) have about other women online. Why do you think people who pretend to be women online do it? Because women today are considered less threatening and dangerous, even though that's not always the case, that is the PERCEPTION, and these men take advantage of it, again, to lure women into a false sense of security in order to take advantage of them.

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being transgender!!! The OP IS NOT TRANSGENDER, I am not hatefully misgendering a marginalized transgender woman, I am not being a bigot and oppressing the OP. I am pointing out that a predator is pretending to be a CISFEMALE DOCTOR online to get sexual stimulation from women who have no idea what his real motives and identity is.

You have literally taken it upon yourself to assume that the OP is a transgender woman and defend him for whatever reason. The OP has given you NO indication that he is transgender, you are literally GUESSING, and then jumping down my throat when I warn people that he's LYING to take advantage of innocent women!

So no, I won't shut up, especially not with you coming at me like that.

bi_sub_lady_doc said:

stella , i am never gonna do anything which is utterly obscene or comes under the gambit of breaking the laws.after all , my security & reputation concern to me maximum.i know where to draw the line dear.moreover i know the thick line between fantasy & real.
i was left with no option than reverting back to cottonsatire & his cahoots, in the face of their vitriolic attack.it was she/he who started all these unnecessarry stuff.i just retaliated.

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You're a classist misogynist bigot, dear. I fully agree with satindesire on that count. Unlike her, I have more tolerance for wankage and I don't care what your crotch looks like off the internet.

And my warning still stands; indulge in insults as opposed to argument, and bye bye.

bi_sub_lady_doc said:

stella , i am never gonna do anything which is utterly obscene or comes under the gambit of breaking the laws.after all , my security & reputation concern to me maximum.i know where to draw the line dear.moreover i know the thick line between fantasy & real.
i was left with no option than reverting back to cottonsatire & his cahoots, in the face of their vitriolic attack.it was she/he who started all these unnecessarry stuff.i just retaliated.

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If you are who you say you are and you did actually did this:

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59284030&postcount=17

Then you DID do something "utterly obscene" and breaking the laws, and you did take advantage of someone. But of course, we both know you're a man pretending to be a woman, LesbianDoctor, in order to get wank material from the women of Lit. Either way, you're lying about SOMETHING.

bi_sub_lady_doc said:

you are only fit to be photo framed along with the likes of hitlem saddam or laden.
go ahead & take all your racist, morale police/ war monger‘s ‘ troll‘ claw out, before anyone put you in the right place, that of a kennel.
you talking of me taking advantage of other woman? there are many women who talked to me, go & ask them whether i ‘ took advantage ‘ of them.i hardly talked of sex to them, forget about asking for photo no etc.barring two of my fellow country-Woman, i even never pmed any one on my own for the first time.if anyone can contradict me, i am ready to lick your ass.go ahead

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You can't dig yourself out of a hole. You have nothing to back up your claims, I have threads full of evidence of your dickish behavior. Put up or shut up, toots.

Here's your old profile:

http://forum.literotica.com/member.php?u=1597582

"my fantasy is quite weired.i am submissive masochist & exhibitionist.all these apply to me when i am with a woman(not any experiences till now). i want to be dominated humiliated & tortured by other women;particularly by those who belong to lower socio economic standard than mine & preferably younger to me.e.g maids or low class prostitutes(yes escorts who dont have any problem to don the lesbian hat are invited.i will pay you to play my dominating mistress.i bet any escort will love the idea of this role reversal) but i am not a natural submissive.i love being taken forcefully. i have an armpit fetish.my underarms are very sensitive & i always wear sleeveless dresses to expose my armpits frequently ;specially to my nurses & to my patients;on pretext of tying hair.if they notice(they obviously do) i become instantly wet.my nurses tickle my underarms very much. i would prefer a nurse as my mistress.they are very envious of lady docs so obviously they will be more rough to me;which i wants."

Anything sound familiar?

satindesire said:

Oh My God. I'm not stating to you what -I- think about women. I -know- women can be just as predatory as men. I am stating the stereotype that OTHER women (not myself) have about other women online.

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Then attack that perception, duh.

Why do you think people who pretend to be women online do it? Because women today are considered less threatening and dangerous, even though that's not always the case, that is the PERCEPTION, and these men take advantage of it, again, to lure women into a false sense of security in order to take advantage of them.

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Then attack the perception that women online are less dangerous then men.

I already said that.

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being transgender!!! The OP IS NOT TRANSGENDER, I am not hatefully misgendering a marginalized transgender woman, I am not being a bigot and oppressing the OP. I am pointing out that a predator is pretending to be a CISFEMALE DOCTOR online to get sexual stimulation from women who have no idea what his real motives and identity is.

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... right. yeah, I'm sure that totally makes sense to you.

However, you are calling someone HE who has identified herself to all of us as SHE. That is misgendering even if you are on the side of the angels. It doesn't matter what that person's identity is-- what matters is YOUR behavior.

You have literally taken it upon yourself to assume that the OP is a transgender woman and defend him for whatever reason. The OP has given you NO indication that he is transgender, you are literally GUESSING, and then jumping down my throat when I warn people that he's LYING to take advantage of innocent women!

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No, honey, I have taken it upon myself to assume that OP identifies as they say they do. I am defending her stated gender. And at the same time the stated gender of all women, trans and cis both. The right to state gender without some cis woman dropping in and saying "HE" in size 6 all caps bolded and underlined, all of a sudden for any reason that strikes her fancy.

There is NOTHING to stop you from saying SHE is lying, and I highly encourage you to do so.

Of course some proof would be nice.

Look, I know you are not going to get this, but I will state it again for the peanut gallery;

Passing privilege only lasts until someone decides they don't like you. In the worst case, trans men and women get beaten and killed because some cis person decided they are not nice enough. A trans woman gets busted and thrown in the mens prison, because they no longer deserve the dignity of their gender, because they are now a convicted criminal.

You are doing the very same thing, miss Righteous Fury, in your own special way. And I have to say... although I've followed your links, I don't see where you have provided proof that OP is a MAN.

So no, I won't shut up, especially not with you coming at me like that.

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yeah well I should have known better than to think you would actually use your head.

Stella_Omega said:

yeah well I should have known better than to think you would actually use your head.

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Likewise.

I don't know if I should say anything at this point. I feel like I should interject, since my posts were used in this thread. I would like to say that I agree with Stella, the the OP can be whatever they want on the internet, that doesn't concern me so much. What concerns me is the lack of care this person has for those around them. In every defense OP has stated that their own safety and reputation is of high priority, but does not state they care about the safety and well being of those they are involving in their kink.

I'm not qualified in anyway to speak on behalf of transgendered people, I only just recently learned what cisanything means. What I will say is that I can recognize insults and abusive behavior when I see it.



Perhaps I'm wrong in trying to point out these things.

MeekMe said:

I don't know if I should say anything at this point. I feel like I should interject, since my posts were used in this thread. I would like to say that I agree with Stella, the the OP can be whatever they want on the internet, that doesn't concern me so much. What concerns me is the lack of care this person has for those around them. In every defense OP has stated that their own safety and reputation is of high priority, but does not state they care about the safety and well being of those they are involving in their kink.

I'm not qualified in anyway to speak on behalf of transgendered people, I only just recently learned what cisanything means. What I will say is that I can recognize insults and abusive behavior when I see it.



Perhaps I'm wrong in trying to point out these things.

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You are perfectly right in pointing those things out.

satindesire said:

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with being transgender!!! The OP IS NOT TRANSGENDER, I am not hatefully misgendering a marginalized transgender woman, I am not being a bigot and oppressing the OP. I am pointing out that a predator is pretending to be a CISFEMALE DOCTOR online to get sexual stimulation from women who have no idea what his real motives and identity is.

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I agree with you that BSLD comes across as somebody who identifies as a guy and is intentionally misrepresenting that aspect of themselves to people on the internet for the sake of sexual gratification.

But Stella has a point here. Refusing to acknowledge somebody's stated gender preference is serious business, and most often it's done by transphobic arseholes. I think it's better to extend this particular politeness to somebody who might be lying rather than risk being mistaken and misgendering somebody. (Or for that matter, risk giving some passing trans* person the mistaken impression that I'm not going to respect their identity.)

Even if we accept that BSLD is exactly the person she represents herself as... by her own words, that person is a homophobic transphobic predator with no regard for important things like 'consent', and a bad doctor to boot. I think that's more than enough to be going on with, and calling her "her" doesn't detract from that.

It's not that I feel BSLD deserves politeness, it's about not wanting to descend to her level on that particular issue.