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I have News Alerts sent to me daily covering certain keywords from News Providers World Wide thanks to one of the options that Google provides. I am aware that Evil Geoff has a thread dealing with human rights and legislation in regards to BDSM practise. After a brief email to him and another to Angelic Assassin it seems that there may be some here that would be interested in a Thread covering other areas that a current and media worthy. Some will be serious, others fashion orientated , some completely off task from my experience with them. Placing them here has no agenda or endorsement from myself , I will simply be posting them and others who use the Forum can do as they please , comment, ignore , hijack or otherwise.............
SOME STORIES COVERED
There will be some stories posted on this thread that do no pertain to sexual acts between consenting adults. Time to time I will post them for varying reasons from in accurate media portrayl to how society may perceive terms we frequently use . Example : 'sadist'.
Many of the ugly incidents/crimes described are NOT performed upon consenting adults. They were are often by criminals against vulnerable people - without consent. This is not sexual freedom; it is abuse.
My placing them on the Thread is not to cast dispersions on a mostly decent alternative lifestyles community. They are in fact 'examples' . Use your own discretion in regards to these matters please.
Kind regards
@}-}rebecca----
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Rights body steps into world of sexual quirks
The complainant says Vancouver police discriminated against him
Ian Mulgrew
Vancouver Sun
Friday, December 30, 2005
The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal will investigate sexual practices involving "bondage, discipline and submission, sadism and masochism" to determine whether a self-described pagan was discriminated against by the Vancouver police department.
In a preliminary 18-page ruling issued Thursday, the tribunal said there may be merit in Peter Hayes' complaint that he lost a potential limo driver's job when a police officer refused him a chauffeur's permit seemingly because of his religious beliefs and sexual preferences.
Lindsay M. Lyster, who wrote the decision, said she wasn't completely sure of the "precise nature of Mr. Hayes' lifestyle, practices and preferences, nor the parties' use of the term BDSM (to refer to bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism) or other related terms," but it sounded like he had a legitimate beef
"That Mr. Hayes suffered an adverse impact as a result of the respondents' actions is, on the facts alleged, clear, as he was denied a chauffeur's permit and lost the opportunity to work," she wrote.
"It is also reasonable to assume, for the purposes of the present decision, that invasive questioning and judgmental statements about his sexual practices would have had a subjectively negative impact on his dignity."
Hayes filed his complaint in early summer after applying for the permit required for the job he had been offered with a limo company.
At the VPD, Hayes said the officer on duty, Kevin Barker, kept him waiting 90 minutes while serving five other people, including two who arrived after him.
Eventually, Hayes maintained, Barker took him to a small room, asked why he was wearing black clothes and told him he was being denied the permit because a woman in 2003 suggested he was involved in a cult.
No one from the force ever called Hayes about that complaint and the cult named was actually the title of a science fiction book -- Tarnsman of Gor by John Norman. The woman, Hayes insisted, was an angry former lover.
Hayes said Barker wouldn't give him many details, except to say the concern had to do with paganism, Wiccan magic as well as role-playing, master-slave sexual practices. He added that he was told he posed "an extreme risk of recruiting passengers/customers into my cult during my work hours if I were granted the chauffeur's permit."
The police department, however, argues that Hayes' behaviour does not fall within the meaning of "sexual orientation" under the human rights legislation.
"In our submission, sexual orientation is separate and distinct from preferences or behaviours while engaging in sex," the department said. "The legislature has not gone so far as to prohibit discrimination on the basis of preferences or behaviour."
If you ask me, that borders on a wilful misreading of the law.
The courts have long said consensual bondage or sado-masochism is part of normal and acceptable adult sexual behaviour that does not offend community standards. To start splitting "orientation" and "behaviour" is to enter the realm of angels and pinheads.
Such a point of view would limit protection on the basis of sexual orientation to discrimination on the basis of being gay, lesbian, bisexual or heterosexual. The heterosexual North Vancouver student taunted with false homosexual slurs, for instance, would have been denied redress.
Human rights legislation, as the B.C. Supreme Court has said, is intended to preclude and rectify the wrongful oppression of the weak by the strong and the disadvantaged by the advantaged. The Court of Appeal has emphasized the focus of human rights analysis should be on the effect of the impugned conduct, rather than the intent of the perpetrators.
Those are the issues here.
Still, while aware of that legal history, Lyster said she would allow the VPD a chance to buttress its case.
"Before the tribunal decides if it should accept the complaint based on the grounds of sexual orientation the parties are invited to make submission about whether the facts, as presented, if proven, could amount to a contravention of the Code, on the protected grounds of sexual orientation," she wrote.
Lyster suggested the tribunal solicit expert evidence to determine whether those who practise BDSM have "like homosexuals, historically been subjected to disadvantage, stereotyping and discrimination; and whether those who are drawn to such activities, like homosexuals, share 'a deeply personal characteristic that is either unchangeable or changeable only at unacceptable personal costs'. . . ."
For me, that the VPD is defending in this manner the alleged conduct of the officer is a scandalous waste of tax money; that the tribunal could not find a less expensive and more effective way to handle this situation is equally sad.
SOME STORIES COVERED
There will be some stories posted on this thread that do no pertain to sexual acts between consenting adults. Time to time I will post them for varying reasons from in accurate media portrayl to how society may perceive terms we frequently use . Example : 'sadist'.
Many of the ugly incidents/crimes described are NOT performed upon consenting adults. They were are often by criminals against vulnerable people - without consent. This is not sexual freedom; it is abuse.
My placing them on the Thread is not to cast dispersions on a mostly decent alternative lifestyles community. They are in fact 'examples' . Use your own discretion in regards to these matters please.
Kind regards
@}-}rebecca----
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Rights body steps into world of sexual quirks
The complainant says Vancouver police discriminated against him
Ian Mulgrew
Vancouver Sun
Friday, December 30, 2005
The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal will investigate sexual practices involving "bondage, discipline and submission, sadism and masochism" to determine whether a self-described pagan was discriminated against by the Vancouver police department.
In a preliminary 18-page ruling issued Thursday, the tribunal said there may be merit in Peter Hayes' complaint that he lost a potential limo driver's job when a police officer refused him a chauffeur's permit seemingly because of his religious beliefs and sexual preferences.
Lindsay M. Lyster, who wrote the decision, said she wasn't completely sure of the "precise nature of Mr. Hayes' lifestyle, practices and preferences, nor the parties' use of the term BDSM (to refer to bondage and discipline, domination and submission, sadism and masochism) or other related terms," but it sounded like he had a legitimate beef
"That Mr. Hayes suffered an adverse impact as a result of the respondents' actions is, on the facts alleged, clear, as he was denied a chauffeur's permit and lost the opportunity to work," she wrote.
"It is also reasonable to assume, for the purposes of the present decision, that invasive questioning and judgmental statements about his sexual practices would have had a subjectively negative impact on his dignity."
Hayes filed his complaint in early summer after applying for the permit required for the job he had been offered with a limo company.
At the VPD, Hayes said the officer on duty, Kevin Barker, kept him waiting 90 minutes while serving five other people, including two who arrived after him.
Eventually, Hayes maintained, Barker took him to a small room, asked why he was wearing black clothes and told him he was being denied the permit because a woman in 2003 suggested he was involved in a cult.
No one from the force ever called Hayes about that complaint and the cult named was actually the title of a science fiction book -- Tarnsman of Gor by John Norman. The woman, Hayes insisted, was an angry former lover.
Hayes said Barker wouldn't give him many details, except to say the concern had to do with paganism, Wiccan magic as well as role-playing, master-slave sexual practices. He added that he was told he posed "an extreme risk of recruiting passengers/customers into my cult during my work hours if I were granted the chauffeur's permit."
The police department, however, argues that Hayes' behaviour does not fall within the meaning of "sexual orientation" under the human rights legislation.
"In our submission, sexual orientation is separate and distinct from preferences or behaviours while engaging in sex," the department said. "The legislature has not gone so far as to prohibit discrimination on the basis of preferences or behaviour."
If you ask me, that borders on a wilful misreading of the law.
The courts have long said consensual bondage or sado-masochism is part of normal and acceptable adult sexual behaviour that does not offend community standards. To start splitting "orientation" and "behaviour" is to enter the realm of angels and pinheads.
Such a point of view would limit protection on the basis of sexual orientation to discrimination on the basis of being gay, lesbian, bisexual or heterosexual. The heterosexual North Vancouver student taunted with false homosexual slurs, for instance, would have been denied redress.
Human rights legislation, as the B.C. Supreme Court has said, is intended to preclude and rectify the wrongful oppression of the weak by the strong and the disadvantaged by the advantaged. The Court of Appeal has emphasized the focus of human rights analysis should be on the effect of the impugned conduct, rather than the intent of the perpetrators.
Those are the issues here.
Still, while aware of that legal history, Lyster said she would allow the VPD a chance to buttress its case.
"Before the tribunal decides if it should accept the complaint based on the grounds of sexual orientation the parties are invited to make submission
Lyster suggested the tribunal solicit expert evidence to determine whether those who practise BDSM have "like homosexuals, historically been subjected to disadvantage, stereotyping and discrimination; and whether those who are drawn to such activities, like homosexuals, share 'a deeply personal characteristic that is either unchangeable or changeable only at unacceptable personal costs'. . . ."
For me, that the VPD is defending in this manner the alleged conduct of the officer is a scandalous waste of tax money; that the tribunal could not find a less expensive and more effective way to handle this situation is equally sad.
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