Majority of Democrats Support NFL Players Kneeling During National Anthem

And King Donny the Toupee is a Draft Dodger.

Dodging the draft is a crime, was he charged and convicted? Or are you just exaggerating the fact that he was unqualified for military service and conflating that fact into a criminal offense?
 

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Why even bother doing the anthem at games and at races? It's a damn game. It has nothing to do with the good USA.

Do they even do the anthem and pledge in school anymore? I doubt it. Times have changed.
 
Why even bother doing the anthem at games and at races? It's a damn game. It has nothing to do with the good USA.

Do they even do the anthem and pledge in school anymore? I doubt it. Times have changed.

Yep, unfortunately you had children.:rolleyes:
 
Sports and the anthem have become political. It is a SPORT. Politics should stay out of it.
 
Why even bother doing the anthem at games and at races?

Because unlike you and other lefties some people still like the USA. They want to show a bit of respect and patriotism and they don't feel bad about it either no matter how much the left berates and trashes them.

It's a damn game. It has nothing to do with the good USA.

But it does....we live in a place that's awesome enough to not only let us play games but make fuck tons of money while doing it.

Not a whole lot of countries are ok with that...pretty much all leftist shit holes are absolutely against the concept.

Do they even do the anthem and pledge in school anymore? I doubt it. Times have changed.

Yea, the leftist have fucked our education system up something ferocious. Buncha anti-USA fuckin' degenerates.
 
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BB stfu. You complain all the time about government, taxes etc.

What does a football game have to do with the anthem? Patrioitism? Ok. But it is still just the game Just a game.
 
Because unlike you and other lefties some people still like the USA.

Not a whole lot of countries are ok with that...pretty much all leftist shit holes are absolutely against the concept.


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Also, I am not a lefty. I normally was republican but I cannot defend this President. At all.

Shit whole counties that Trump wants to be best buds with. North Korea, Russia...that’s a great start.
 
BB stfu. You complain all the time about government, taxes etc.

What's that got to do with anything being discussed?

Loving your country doesn't mean you must desire more authoritarian leftist control over you life.

You can totally condemn oppressive socialist policies while being patriotic and loving your country....especially if you're a US citizen.

What does a football game have to do with the anthem? Patrioitism?

Nothing more than a race or spelling bee or any other activities we enjoy here in the USA.

Ok. But it is still just the game Just a game.

Yea so?

Why not sing the anthem? Does other peoples patriotism offend you?
 
You can totally condemn oppressive socialist policies while being patriotic and loving your country....especially if you're a US citizen.

Weird. You don't afford liberals who are railing against a treasonous wannabe dictator the same.
 
Also, I am not a lefty. I normally was republican but I cannot defend this President. At all.

Oh wow and here I was this whole time thinking you supported social aid programs, public welfare programs and socializing a number of industries from internet service to healthcare.

Glad to know you're a right wing capitalist that doesn't support any of those things though.

Gotta wonder though....as a right winger what is so bad about Trump?

Shit whole counties that Trump wants to be best buds with. North Korea, Russia...that’s a great start.

What's wrong with having relations with them beyond just pointing weapons at each other and giving each other the finger???
 
Weird. You don't afford liberals who are railing against a treasonous wannabe dictator the same.

Because it's not the same.


1) They aren't condemning oppressive socialism they are promoting it.

2) Because of #1 they aren't liberals....they are socialist, read a book sometime and learn the difference between the two.

3) Your opinion of Trump is noted, lotsa butt hurt.
 
What's that got to do with anything being discussed?

Loving your country doesn't mean you must desire more authoritarian leftist control over you life.

You can totally condemn oppressive socialist policies while being patriotic and loving your country....especially if you're a US citizen.



Nothing more than a race or spelling bee or any other activities we enjoy here in the USA.



Yea so?

Why not sing the anthem? Does other peoples patriotism offend you?

It doesn’t offend me. But it has become such of a political issue that it has become absurd.

The constitution does give you the right to protest peacefully. Where else should they do it? And what better way to draw attention?

It seems like you folks only like parts of the constitution.
 
Because it's not the same.


1) They aren't condemning oppressive socialism they are promoting it.

2) Because of #1 they aren't liberals....they are socialist, read a book sometime and learn the difference between the two.

3) Your opinion of Trump is noted, lotsa butt hurt.

Good god socialism is evil. Somehow it works fine here.
 
Because it's not the same.


1) They aren't condemning oppressive socialism they are promoting it.

2) Because of #1 they aren't liberals....they are socialist, read a book sometime and learn the difference between the two.

3) Your opinion of Trump is noted, lotsa butt hurt.
  1. They are condemning wannabe fascism and dictatorship.
  2. I'm not talking about socialists and neither were you. Quit being dishonest. I know it's hard but even you can do it occasionally.
  3. It's not an opinion, it's a proven fact. You're being dishonest. Again.
 
It doesn’t offend me. But it has become such of a political issue that it has become absurd.

It is absurd.

The constitution does give you the right to protest peacefully. Where else should they do it? And what better way to draw attention?

Yes it does and they have every right to protest....and I'd die to protect that right even though I disagree with what they are protesting and how they are.

The Constitution does NOT however give you the right to protest peacefully without any consequence from others, who also have the right to free speech.

And just as I would die to protect the NFL players right to take a knee during the anthem I'd also do so to protect the every day Joe's right to call him an asshole, give the NFL the finger and take their money over to NASCAR.

It seems like you folks only like parts of the constitution.

What does this even mean?

What parts of the Constitution have YOU decided that I don't "like"?
 
[*]They are condemning wannabe fascism and dictatorship.

No they aren't....there isn't even remotely any such thing happening.

They are condemning capitalism, individualism and liberalism as fascism.

Most of them have NEVER looked the word up in an encyclopedia to see what the fuck fascism even is.

They are actively promoting authoritarian economic and social policy in the pursuit of equity....that's NOT liberalism.

[*]I'm not talking about socialists and neither were you. Quit being dishonest. I know it's hard but even you can do it occasionally.

Yes you are, and yes I am.

The only one being dishonest here is you....pretending the people who are promoting socialistic ideas and policies are liberals.

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Newsflash buddy....liberals don't want to abolish profit, socialist do.

[*]It's not an opinion, it's a proven fact. You're being dishonest. Again.
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No...you're one of the morons who needs to look up the word fascism.
 
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Because it's not the same.


1) They aren't condemning oppressive socialism they are promoting it.

2) Because of #1 they aren't liberals....they are socialist, read a book sometime and learn the difference between the two.

3) Your opinion of Trump is noted, lotsa butt hurt.

I don't think that most laypeople advocate for a "socialism takeover", I think that they are just against Plutocracy monetizing and drawing profits -at the expense of the little guy- from essential areas like Health, Education and Information access.

They have no issue with thevfree market operating in non-essential areas like electronics, toys, clothes and so on. Only with the inequitable tax system that is set to destroy medium sized businesses.

That I or others might be misguided because we don't fully understand Economy, is a different story. But we don't advocate for a socialist state and communist ideologies.
 
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I don't think that most laypeople advocate for a "socialism takeover", I think that they are just against Plutocracy monetizing and drawing profits -at the expense of the little guy- from essential areas like Health, Education and Information access.

Ok...so they are socialist advocating diet socialism.

And how long until that's just not FAIR enough....and we need to socialize MOAR, because inequity is terrible evil that can only be fixed via authoritarian socialism, take from the rich and give to the poor!

They have no issue with thevfree market operating in non-essential areas like electronics, toys, clothes and so on. Only with the inequitable tax system that is set to destroy medium sized businesses.

And it's then there that same envy will creep in and we'll still want more equity!!!

More taxes on the rich!!!

That I or others might be misguided because we don't fully understand Economy, is a different story. But we don't advocate for a socialist state and communist ideologies.

So then why promoting all the socialistic and communist shit?
 
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Ok...so they are socialist advocating diet socialism.

And how long until that's just not FAIR enough....and we need to socialize MOAR, because inequity is terrible evil that can only be fixed via authoritarian socialism, take from the rich and give to the poor!


And it's then there that same envy will creep in and we'll still want more equity!!!

More taxes on the rich!!!

So then why promoting all the socialistic and communist shit?

I don't fully understand how American Liberals think.
It might well be that you are right, and they Are advocating for an entirely socialist state and communist takeover.

I'm just saying that most laypeople that I heard criticizing Neoliberalism outside this board, don't think the way you take them for.

They are wary of Socialism too, they just want balance instead of regimes being skewed in one direction or another. Our only potential flaw might be an inadequate understanding of how Economy works.
 
I don't fully understand how American Liberals think.
It might well be that you are right, and they Are advocating for an entirely socialist state and communist takeover.

I'm just saying that most laypeople that I heard criticizing Neoliberalism outside this board, don't think the way you take them for.

Liberals generally speaking support Neoliberalism...at least it's core aspects because neoliberalism, libertarianism and Ordoliberalism among others all descend from classical liberal thought.

They all reject the idea that government's primary role is to provide social and economic equity the so called American "liberals" desire. That's a VERY socialistic thing....which is why I say all these "liberals" in America who are adamantly anti-capitalist and promote socialistic policy aren't liberals. They are social democrats, democratic socialist, neo-marxist and probably 10 other shades of authoritarian socialists if you took a hard look at all the various groups.

They are wary of Socialism too

Then why do they promote it's ideals and principals?

they just want balance instead of regimes being skewed in one direction or another.

Oh bull fucking shit...they want things skewed THEIR way.....balance my ass :rolleyes:

Our only potential flaw might be an inadequate understanding of how Economy works.

That's an issue for a lot of folks.
 
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I'm certainly no expert on the USA economy but from what I've read there are strong elements of socialism about it. For instance, tarrifs. Tarrifs are nothing more than the State directly intervening in the economy, not very capitalistic and very anti free trade. Also subsidies, especially in your agricultural industry. Damn near all your farmers are employees of the State. Very socialistic and anti free trade.
 
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