If you love the kids, you’ll arm the teachers!

"I am the source" is not a source. it's a claim, and not even a good one at that. It doesn't adress Socialism, it cites 1 school, and it still doesn't even mention the actual curriculum. So no, it's still a claim. if you post the documents, i will read them. Otherwise, no sample size.

And now you know just PART of the reason why I hate socialists and socialism so fucking badly. Also spent some time on the other side of the Berlin Wall, but as you say, no sample size.
 
The word for that is paranoia. They do not teach Socialism in Texas schools. The Berlin Wall was 30 years ago.

Call it whatever you want, socialism is real, it’s dangerous, and I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don’t need to ‘cite references’ for the shit I’ve experienced. Now I’m just getting pissed, go piss off somebody else for a while
 
Call it whatever you want, socialism is real, it’s dangerous, and I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Then what are you doing about the Nazis? Those aren't the domestic threats you swore an oath to defend against? They're fucking socialists. What are you going to do, shoot the pinko teachers?

You're more afraid of teachers, but you're willing to believe those aren't "Real" nazis. Okay, your IFF is broken. The threats are the ones with the guns, not the ones who can't afford glue sticks.
 
Call it whatever you want, socialism is real, it’s dangerous, and I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don’t need to ‘cite references’ for the shit I’ve experienced. Now I’m just getting pissed, go piss off somebody else for a while

Nothing you say is ever true. It's like you're incapable of telling the truth. Amazing really.
 
Call it whatever you want, socialism is real, it’s dangerous, and I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don’t need to ‘cite references’ for the shit I’ve experienced. Now I’m just getting pissed, go piss off somebody else for a while

If you don't like people asking you to back things up with evidence this isn't the board for you. You should probably calm down and come back when you've gotten control of yourself and are able to back up your claims.
 
Call it whatever you want, socialism is real, it’s dangerous, and I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don’t need to ‘cite references’ for the shit I’ve experienced. Now I’m just getting pissed, go piss off somebody else for a while

Lol...bless your heart.


North Carolina Mensa society that coach dumbfuck belongs to.


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Well, that was interesting.

To paraphrase a reporter some time after Sandy Hook, the gun debate was over once America decided killing children was acceptable.
 
Well, that was interesting.

To paraphrase a reporter some time after Sandy Hook, the gun debate was over once America decided killing children was acceptable.

Stupid people say stupid things and other stupid people think they're clever.

Killing children isn't "acceptable". Nor is talking about putting a bandaid on the problem and calling it a solution.

Gun control won't stop the killing. As psiberzerker said, they'll learn to make/use bombs.

The actual problem is a societal one. We have to stop faking concern and brushing off those who need help.

Let's set up an example (no histronics). Let's say you have a co-worker who has "issues" with another co-worker. The "issues" aren't important, just that they've now escalated (kind of like here on the GB between some ppl). Well, 1 of the co-workers does what they are supposed to do and contacts management or HR and makes a complaint. They're told; "we'll look into it" and nothing happens. More complaints and still nothing. Eventually your co-worker either quits or goes postal.

Ok, so there's the scene. Now let's talk about what happened.

After the complaint was made mgmt/HR did the bare minimum. They went directly to the one being complained about and asked them a couple of questions. Got the std "I ain't doin' nuttin" response. End of inquiry.

But the complaints didn't stop. And for each new complaint, mgmt/HR just shelved them because the earlier complaint "wasn't substantiated". Eventually one or the other of the 2 will be fired (usually the one complaining because the squeaky wheel doesn't get greased it gets replaced) but it hasn't reached that point yet.

We've all been there. We all know how this goes. Right or wrong, that's either what happens OR that's the way it appears to the one who feels victimized.

Solutions? I think we need to change the way we deal with problems. We need to start being aware of the people around us and get involved more than we do. We need to stop with the "I don't want to get involved" and/or "It's not my problem". Because you should be involved and it IS your problem when the guy screaming for help loses it.

We have people who are in positions to intervene but they aren't aren't getting the job done. Why? Is it because there isn't enough money? Or enough people? Or the solutions aren't workable? Or the people aren't the right ones for the jobs they hold?

We have a problem and it isn't guns. It's that those who need help aren't getting it soon enough. I believe the answer is in that direction, not more laws making what is already illegal more illegal.
 
Stupid people say stupid things and other stupid people think they're clever.

Killing children isn't "acceptable". Nor is talking about putting a bandaid on the problem and calling it a solution.

Gun control won't stop the killing. As psiberzerker said, they'll learn to make/use bombs.

The actual problem is a societal one. We have to stop faking concern and brushing off those who need help.

Let's set up an example (no histronics). Let's say you have a co-worker who has "issues" with another co-worker. The "issues" aren't important, just that they've now escalated (kind of like here on the GB between some ppl). Well, 1 of the co-workers does what they are supposed to do and contacts management or HR and makes a complaint. They're told; "we'll look into it" and nothing happens. More complaints and still nothing. Eventually your co-worker either quits or goes postal.

Ok, so there's the scene. Now let's talk about what happened.

After the complaint was made mgmt/HR did the bare minimum. They went directly to the one being complained about and asked them a couple of questions. Got the std "I ain't doin' nuttin" response. End of inquiry.

But the complaints didn't stop. And for each new complaint, mgmt/HR just shelved them because the earlier complaint "wasn't substantiated". Eventually one or the other of the 2 will be fired (usually the one complaining because the squeaky wheel doesn't get greased it gets replaced) but it hasn't reached that point yet.

We've all been there. We all know how this goes. Right or wrong, that's either what happens OR that's the way it appears to the one who feels victimized.

Solutions? I think we need to change the way we deal with problems. We need to start being aware of the people around us and get involved more than we do. We need to stop with the "I don't want to get involved" and/or "It's not my problem". Because you should be involved and it IS your problem when the guy screaming for help loses it.

We have people who are in positions to intervene but they aren't aren't getting the job done. Why? Is it because there isn't enough money? Or enough people? Or the solutions aren't workable? Or the people aren't the right ones for the jobs they hold?

We have a problem and it isn't guns. It's that those who need help aren't getting it soon enough. I believe the answer is in that direction, not more laws making what is already illegal more illegal.

You clearly don't understand the problem.

You're comparing a business to a school, and those two things are just too different to make valid comparisons in this case. A school can't fire a kid because the kid has the right to an education, and the schools aren't funded enough to have the support staff they need to deal with deeply troubled kids.
 
You clearly don't understand the problem.

You're comparing a business to a school, and those two things are just too different to make valid comparisons in this case. A school can't fire a kid because the kid has the right to an education, and the schools aren't funded enough to have the support staff they need to deal with deeply troubled kids.

Schools can expel (fire) kids. They do it all the time.
 
You're comparing a business to a school, and those two things are just too different to make valid comparisons in this case. A school can't fire a kid because the kid has the right to an education, and the schools aren't funded enough to have the support staff they need to deal with deeply troubled kids.

Public schools are funded by buts in the seats, and the property values in the district. No, they can't Fire kids, because they're not paid, but it's not a voluntary internship. It's mandatory, compulsory, and they can be failed-to-expelled for virtually any reason. Ranging from dress-code violations to dyslexia, and "Fighting" (Which often means being bullied, and a he said/he said between a Senior, and a Freshman.) They still supend kids for skipping class. Brilliant!

You can refuse a right. It's a responsibility, and a burden for some kids.

You're right about the lack of support staff to help the kids in need of emotional support, for sexual frustration, violent thoughts, and bullying.
 
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Stupid people say stupid things and other stupid people think they're clever.

Killing children isn't "acceptable". Nor is talking about putting a bandaid on the problem and calling it a solution.

Gun control won't stop the killing. As psiberzerker said, they'll learn to make/use bombs.

The actual problem is a societal one. We have to stop faking concern and brushing off those who need help.

Let's set up an example (no histronics). Let's say you have a co-worker who has "issues" with another co-worker. The "issues" aren't important, just that they've now escalated (kind of like here on the GB between some ppl). Well, 1 of the co-workers does what they are supposed to do and contacts management or HR and makes a complaint. They're told; "we'll look into it" and nothing happens. More complaints and still nothing. Eventually your co-worker either quits or goes postal.

Ok, so there's the scene. Now let's talk about what happened.

After the complaint was made mgmt/HR did the bare minimum. They went directly to the one being complained about and asked them a couple of questions. Got the std "I ain't doin' nuttin" response. End of inquiry.

But the complaints didn't stop. And for each new complaint, mgmt/HR just shelved them because the earlier complaint "wasn't substantiated". Eventually one or the other of the 2 will be fired (usually the one complaining because the squeaky wheel doesn't get greased it gets replaced) but it hasn't reached that point yet.

We've all been there. We all know how this goes. Right or wrong, that's either what happens OR that's the way it appears to the one who feels victimized.

Solutions? I think we need to change the way we deal with problems. We need to start being aware of the people around us and get involved more than we do. We need to stop with the "I don't want to get involved" and/or "It's not my problem". Because you should be involved and it IS your problem when the guy screaming for help loses it.

We have people who are in positions to intervene but they aren't aren't getting the job done. Why? Is it because there isn't enough money? Or enough people? Or the solutions aren't workable? Or the people aren't the right ones for the jobs they hold?

We have a problem and it isn't guns. It's that those who need help aren't getting it soon enough. I believe the answer is in that direction, not more laws making what is already illegal more illegal.

Well done going for an insult right off the bat!

There was a study done awhile back across multiple countries that accounted for crime, mental health and other factors and the big factor setting apart America was the easy access to guns and the huge number of guns. Mass shootings are not just a mental health treatment issue.

America has done nothing to stop mass shootings.
 
No, they don't. They can send the kid to a different school, but they can't deny a kid an education.


You're both wrong and you're both right - on technicalities.

If your child is under age 16, he or she will still be provided an education during the expulsion. This is called an alternative education. Depending on the school district, your child may go to a different school or get individual tutoring at a public location.

If your child is between the ages of 16 and 18 and wants to continue getting an education, alternative education will be offered as long as your child follows any conditions the board may set. The board does not have to offer alternative education to students between the ages of 16 and 18 if the student has been expelled before or if the incident involved weapons or drugs.

Maybe if you both weren't hellbent on claiming internet victory, you could learn something about the topics of which you speak.
 
You clearly don't understand the problem.

You're comparing a business to a school, and those two things are just too different to make valid comparisons in this case. A school can't fire a kid because the kid has the right to an education, and the schools aren't funded enough to have the support staff they need to deal with deeply troubled kids.

Schools and business are nearly identical. Schools teach the basic fundamentals of society and business.

You get up at a certain time in order to be someplace at a certain time.
You dress a certain way.
You talk a certain way.
You act a certain way.
You do the things you're told.
Obey authority.
Ask for permission.
You're evaluated on the quality of the work your perform. Higher achievers get promoted/advanced.

This training starts before kindergarten but school carries those training fundamentals through and into our post educational lives.

As for firing students, expulsion is a form of "firing". Schools also have "Continuation" programs were troublemakers get sent. School districts can also transfer problem students to other schools thereby keeping the 2 students who have "issues" apart.

Other than sending a troublesome student to Continuation these things are rarely done. Just as they are rarely done in the business world. It seems as if the solution everyone uses whenever a problem develops is to ignore it and hope it goes away. And, when it doesn't, blame everyone else.
 
The simple fix is one door in but all doors out, fencing, and security officers monitoring the in door. Also, early emotional intelligence education, strong antibullying policies and social supports for families in crisis. These measures work in New York City and should be rolled out nationwide.
 
Well done going for an insult right off the bat!

There was a study done awhile back across multiple countries that accounted for crime, mental health and other factors and the big factor setting apart America was the easy access to guns and the huge number of guns. Mass shootings are not just a mental health treatment issue.

America has done nothing to stop mass shootings.

When you WANT to find the cause of a problem is a specific thing, it's not that hard to start with your summation and work backward to find the causes and support for that conclusion while excluding the factors that say otherwise.

Most gun violence studies are flawed for that reason.
 
The simple fix is one door in but all doors out, fencing, and security officers monitoring the in door. Also, early emotional intelligence education, strong antibullying policies and social supports for families in crisis. These measures work in New York City and should be rolled out nationwide.

The problem isn't simple. So a simple fix isn't necessarily the answer.

Yes, we can control access to schools. How does that change the behaviors after graduation?
 
When you WANT to find the cause of a problem is a specific thing, it's not that hard to start with your summation and work backward to find the causes and support for that conclusion while excluding the factors that say otherwise.

Most gun violence studies are flawed for that reason.

Spoken like a true NRA member in good standing.
 
Spoken like a true NRA member in good standing.

Hey, a guys gotta reach for the stars. Or something like that anyway. :D

But, back to the thorny issue. When you say things you are subject to being challenged for them. One of the things you said I challenged.

You say there are studies that show the US has a gun problem. I say those studies are flawed because they all start from the same place - the US has a gun problem - and work backward to create support for their conclusions.

Where is your rebuttal? Other than being a jerk that is.

Be aware that for every study you show that has that conclusion I can show one that refutes it with documentary facts that show otherwise. That's a null sum equation because citation to outside sources isn't argument. We know there are studies on both sides of the issue, that's not the question. The question is: Can you defend your theory with logic and reason in a manner which shows you actually thought about it rather than simply parroting the work of others?

If all you have to respond with is "NRA bad, you bad" then you have no debate support for your assertions beyond the initial claims. Your job is to back up what you say. That you didn't, or couldn't, means you lost in this exchange of ideas and concepts.
 
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All it takes is one deranged kid, one damaged little mind, out of millions upon millions of students to cause a social catastrophe. This is why we aren't going to solve this problem, no matter how many of our civil rights the left demands we surrender.

We'd be better off going after their parents in a big way, after all this aberrant behavior is instilled and nurtured in the environments they create in their homes. We should look into the totally undisciplined learning environments inside our public school systems as well.
 
All it takes is one deranged kid, one damaged little mind, out of millions upon millions of students to cause a social catastrophe. This is why we aren't going to solve this problem, no matter how many of our civil rights the left demands we surrender.

We'd be better off going after their parents in a big way, after all this aberrant behavior is instilled and nurtured in the environments they create in their homes. We should look into the totally undisciplined learning environments inside our public school systems as well.

Many of these kids are from white affluent conservative families.
 
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