Teen experiences

PayDay said:

Hell? Jail? Trash can?

I can think of a few more.

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Yet another pithy and timely suggestion... *roll eyes*

I do not think you will find a site which will publish descriptive sex scenes between minors. Writing, displaying or other wise presenting such materials is against the law in the United States. Don't get me wrong I believe strongly that not only is their a place for such material, but that its repression is harmful. I would love to share my teen and even pre-teen experiences for the sake of increasing understanding. Last week I raved on in one of these threads about this very subject. It makes a difference to my life that my older brother and his boy friend taught me to masturbate when I was ten. I hate the repression of free ideas
Good luck. and if you ever want to merely share experiences or talk about how you might effectively include these experiences in your work, PM me.

Payday: are you sure that fictioal portrayals are not illegal? I know no one will touch them. If you are sure, thanks for the real info.

AliciaB said:

Hello,

I'm new to this site, and I joined because I am writing a story about my experiences as a teen which I wanted to share.

I saw that the rules forbid stories with underage characters, which is a bummer. My intent is certainly not the exploitation of minors. And since literotica has grown to the degree it has, it seems to have pushed out all but a very few, very low quality alternatives.

Could anyone suggest a different venue for me to post this?

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Even commercially you would have a tough time doing what you're intending. The general attitude in society towards under-age sex goes in the direction of hyper sensitivity and books like Vladimir Nabokov's classic novel Lolita would never have seen print if it had been written in the 21st century.

There are many reasons why things are this way - some of which make sense while others do not - but regardless, the fact is, that under-age sex is the Western Worlds equivalent of making fun of the Prophet Mohammad. Nobody dare touch it.

If I ever were to write my memoirs I'd have a similar problem since I began practicing my reproductive skills at 15. Maybe I'll write the manuscript and have my lawyer post it after my death...

PayDay said:

Based upon United States Federal Law, fictional images of underage sex are not considered illegal. This applies to prose as well. Thinking ain't doing unless it is.

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But if you have already stated that these are your own experiences, that implies a non-fictional situation

You could frame it that it was your senior year in high school & leave it at that since most seniors are 18. (I was seventeen but I never brought it up so everyone else just assumed, as your readers would assume.)

robertreams said:

Payday: are you sure that fictioal portrayals are not illegal? I know no one will touch them. If you are sure, thanks for the real info.

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As far as I know this is all about publisher preference, not US law, and there's a double standard in play. Publishers who won't accept under-age sex in self-pub are quite willing to print it from 'name' authors. For instance, see this article about pedophilia in the works of sci-fi author Piers Anthony. We're not talking "grey area" stuff here; this is an author who writes a ten-page explicit love scene between a grown man and a five-year-old, presented as a positive relationship, and then uses an author's note to defend those actions.

I"ve written a few 'mom-son' stories, and will probably do more, I just put the age at 18 or above as per Lit rules.

But different States in the US have different ages of consent. In the state I live in the age is 16 years old.

According to Wiki there are also a laws that prohibit sex between any student in an elementary or secondary school and an employee of that school and something similar with mental health workers as well as for officers in charge of juveniles and offenders.

I figure if one wanted to (can't see why I would though) to portray a younger than 18 YO they could just say something like they were 'of legal age' in their area. Or go somewhere else.

49greg said:

I figure if one wanted to (can't see why I would though) to portray a younger than 18 YO they could just say something like they were 'of legal age' in their area. Or go somewhere else.

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You certainly could, and you could get away with it, UNLESS someone complains to Laurel. I have seen some well-written stories here where a 16-year-old clearly has graphic sex. Until those tales are narked out, they remain. (No, I won't point to any. Find them yourselves.) Yes, married minors can have legal (married) sex in some/many(?) USA states -- but a story about them won't meet LIT's submission guidelines. To play the game, ya gotta follow the rules.

Hypoxia said:

You certainly could, and you could get away with it, UNLESS someone complains to Laurel. I have seen some well-written stories here where a 16-year-old clearly has graphic sex. Until those tales are narked out, they remain. (No, I won't point to any. Find them yourselves.) Yes, married minors can have legal (married) sex in some/many(?) USA states -- but a story about them won't meet LIT's submission guidelines. To play the game, ya gotta follow the rules.

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I've explained the whys of our age guidelines many many times, so I won't do so again. I'll simply say that as a privately-run site, we have the Constitutional right to set whatever editorial guidelines we feel are best - just as authors have the right to write about whatever you wish.

I would never try to tell an author what they should or should not write about. In return, please respect our guidelines. Since we have already explicitly stated that we do not want certain content on our site, it is disrespectful to try to sneak it onto the servers which we pay for and maintain.

If your story contains content which we do not accept, you are free to submit it to a site with different content guidelines. Barring that, you are free to post it to your own blog or website.

But in case I haven't made this clear, let me spell it out: We do not want stories featuring people under the age of 18 engaged in sexual situations. Do not try to sneak it onto the site. Doing so is very, very rude.

Bramblethorn said:

As far as I know this is all about publisher preference, not US law, and there's a double standard in play. Publishers who won't accept under-age sex in self-pub are quite willing to print it from 'name' authors. For instance, see this article about pedophilia in the works of sci-fi author Piers Anthony. We're not talking "grey area" stuff here; this is an author who writes a ten-page explicit love scene between a grown man and a five-year-old, presented as a positive relationship, and then uses an author's note to defend those actions.

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I read a lot of Piers Anthony when I was underage, so that there were people my own age wanting to have sex in his stories didn't seem strange.

Looking back on some of his stories now... yeah. A bit more than a little bizarre.

But then we are talking about Piers. He was always the weirdest of the scifi/fantasy authors out there. And he uses a "LOT" of sex in his novels.

And not always simple "vanilla" sex either. The Bio of a Space Tyrant series is a rape/incest series, posing as a science fiction novel.

MSTarot said:

I read a lot of Piers Anthony when I was underage, so that there were people my own age wanting to have sex in his stories didn't seem strange.

Looking back on some of his stories now... yeah. A bit more than a little bizarre.

But then we are talking about Piers. He was always the weirdest of the scifi/fantasy authors out there. And he uses a "LOT" of sex in his novels.

And not always simple "vanilla" sex either. The Bio of a Space Tyrant series is a rape/incest series, posing as a science fiction novel.

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Same here; I didn't notice how creepy they were until later, looking back at them.

I still remember the Incarnations of Immortality series as being good, but I'm scared to reread it in case the Suck Fairy has visited.

Bramblethorn said:

Same here; I didn't notice how creepy they were until later, looking back at them.

I still remember the Incarnations of Immortality series as being good, but I'm scared to reread it in case the Suck Fairy has visited.

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The first ones are good (reread them about a year back) but he just did a new one "Under the Velvet cloak" and everything I've heard about it is it's just bizarre sex and doesn't really move the story from where he left it. Well not new about 2007.

Try at own risk.

MSTarot said:

The first ones are good (reread them about a year back) but he just did a new one "Under the Velvet cloak" and everything I've heard about it is it's just bizarre sex and doesn't really move the story from where he left it. Well not new about 2007.

Try at own risk.

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I thought the Incarnations series was pretty good, although it started going downhill for me with the good/evil incarnations. Perhaps they are too broad concepts or something. I think the one that really got me, and I thought it was one of those, was the one with this situation: a judge with a preference for underage girls (about 16 or 17yo) but does not act on those urges becomes involved with a 17yo girl. She goes to Limbo or whatever for two days, but that's two years IRL. So she comes back chronologically 19 but "really" 17, which enables said Judge to have his cake and eat it too.

Also, even though I was kind of oblivious to such things, even I noticed he started substituting sex for plot. And not terribly well. I read Split Infinity and a few others, they might have been better. One Xanth novel and I was done with that.

PennLady said:

I thought the Incarnations series was pretty good, although it started going downhill for me with the good/evil incarnations. Perhaps they are too broad concepts or something. I think the one that really got me, and I thought it was one of those, was the one with this situation: a judge with a preference for underage girls (about 16 or 17yo) but does not act on those urges becomes involved with a 17yo girl. She goes to Limbo or whatever for two days, but that's two years IRL. So she comes back chronologically 19 but "really" 17, which enables said Judge to have his cake and eat it too.

Also, even though I was kind of oblivious to such things, even I noticed he started substituting sex for plot. And not terribly well. I read Split Infinity and a few others, they might have been better. One Xanth novel and I was done with that.

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I've read about the first 15 of the xanth books. I was reading them as they came out though so that's awhile back.

Split Infinity was a good series. I liked the character of Stile.


Strangely enough the one of his I have never read is the Tarot series.

Read Philip Jose Farmer's "The Lovers" As far as I know, the first story ever about sex (love) between a human and an alien.

Steven King's, "It" had a moment where all the underage boys took turns fucking the one girl in their group. I think they were in the sewers if I remember correctly. It's been years since I read it so I can't recall the details except for the fact that they were all underage.

robertreams said:

I do not think you will find a site which will publish descriptive sex scenes between minors. Writing, displaying or other wise presenting such materials is against the law in the United States.

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Who told you that? The laws are for images of real children, not writing. You can write this using fictional characters in the mainstream all you want.

I have just read two pages of posts to this thread. I have found a number of well thought out arguments for and against this site's policies. One however, trumps them all -

Laurel said:

... as a privately-run site, we have the Constitutional right to set whatever editorial guidelines we feel are best...

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robertreams said:

I do not think you will find a site which will publish descriptive sex scenes between minors.

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You're wrong. StoriesOnline.net is one site that will, and even has tags to identify the content. I'm sure there are others.

And as others have noted, mainstream fiction (like Stephen King's "It") do have sex scenes with minors, with varying levels of explicitness.

Images are a different matter.

PennLady said:

... StoriesOnline.net is one site that will...

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True, and StoriesOnline, ("SOL"), is considerably more representative of what is possible today on the Internet. However, I would still hesitate to recommend it, especially to someone who has yet to post his/her first story.

I've been posting on SOL for eight years. I currently have 23 stories there. However, I haven't posted there now in over a year.

Story posting on SOL, and consequently readership, has been dropping like a rock, (it is less than a tenth of Lit's), quite possibly because of the very thing that seems so attractive - teenage sex. The problem is that much of what is on SOL is not teen/teen sex, which is what I believe the OP is wanting to write about, it is the exploitive type, (teacher/student, parent/teen, etc.), that draws in the pedophiles.

If I recall correctly, when I first began posting on SOL, they had no restrictions. The site however was becoming such a repository for kiddie-porn that they were forced to impose a restriction. Unless I am mistaken, they now have some form of prohibition regarding pre-pubescent sex. (It's a slippery slope!)

Sure, even on Lit we have to put up with the trolls, but SOL is so rough on its writers that with over fifty postings between SOL and Lit, my skin still is not thick enough to handle SOL's abusive environment.

My recommendation to the OP woud be to have his/her characters join the thousands of eighteen-year-olds on Lit who are experiencing sex for the first time. If he/she can't make that work then he/she shouldn't write it.