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Mike712 said:
Statistically speaking, it is very unlikely that the eventual Republican nominee will get "annihilated." Based on historical election data, candidates from the same party as the sitting president are three times less likely to win the presidential election (http://fortune.com/2015/10/15/computer-white-house-winner/). This effect is especially pronounced when the sitting president is at the end of his second term. Another reason that the Republican nominee won't get annihilated is that many of the Republican nominees are minorities. Cruz and Rubio are Hispanic, and Carson is black. If any of these candidates were to win the party's nomination, they would surely win votes from the minority voting block in the general election. These minorities normally vote Democratic, so the loss of their support would seriously hurt a Democrat's chance at winning the White House.
This also brings up an important point. Many liberals like to automatically designate Republicans as racists and bigots. In addition to the fact that Cruz and Rubio are Hispanics that have considerable support from the Republicans, the fact that the leading candidate in Iowa, Carson, is black, disproves this. Also, Fiorina is enjoying moderate success, which throws out the assertion that Republicans are misogynistic and would never vote for women. Ironically, while liberals complain about generalizations and stereotypes, it is often they who are guilty of them.
I hope that an establishment candidate prevails for the Republicans, because they are the more moderate, credible candidates (no offense to Carson, but he has no business as a neurosurgeon being in this race).
Also, many people love Bernie Sanders proposals, but he only makes his ridiculous statements because he knows he won't win. For example, he says he will make public colleges free, which besides being a bad thing for private schools and thus bad for our country, is completely unattainable. Proposals like this are impossible to achieve, but Sanders says them because he know he won't win and therefore will not have to stay true to his promises. Clinton on the other hand would be held accountable for what she says if she were to win, so she is more realistic and moderate in her promises.
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Why vote for "Democrat Lite" when you can vote for the real thing? The nation is coming apart at the seams. Financially and culturally. The changes required are going to be brutal, no matter which way the nation goes. No 'moderate' is going to be pushing those changes.

Yes, it would be nice to run on 'cruise control' for a while, but this is just NOT one of those times. And that's all you're going to get from a moderate, an attempt to keep 'cruise control' engaged.

Ishmael
 
See post #44

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That moderate centrist establishment Republican will keep voters on the right sitting on their hands thanks to the likes of Dole, McCain and Romney. Not only do they know they stand little chance of winning due to lack of charisma but they know that if they do win, all you get is bigger government at a slightly slower pace, unless of course they want to win over CNBC with their bipartisanship...
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
See post #44

:eek:

That moderate centrist establishment Republican will keep voters on the right sitting on their hands thanks to the likes of Dole, McCain and Romney. Not only do they know they stand little chance of winning due to lack of charisma but they know that if they do win, all you get is bigger government at a slightly slower pace, unless of course they want to win over CNBC with their bipartisanship...
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I saw it. As I've said before, on more than one occasion :)D), it's like being duck walked over the edge of a cliff. The only difference is in the rate of progression.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
Why vote for "Democrat Lite" when you can vote for the real thing? The nation is coming apart at the seams. Financially and culturally. The changes required are going to be brutal, no matter which way the nation goes. No 'moderate' is going to be pushing those changes.

Yes, it would be nice to run on 'cruise control' for a while, but this is just NOT one of those times. And that's all you're going to get from a moderate, an attempt to keep 'cruise control' engaged.

Ishmael
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What "changes" are required? And what specifically do you mean when you say that "the nation is coming apart at the seams." Please give some specifics when you comment, otherwise your post is a meaningless scare tactic.

Despite what you may assert, an establishment candidate is actually much more able to enact change than any "outsider." Say the president is trying to enact a new bill that promises your "change"; the House and Senate must approve it. A career politician has experience and skill in working with other politicians, and thus could help it get through the legislature. An outsider candidate could harp on about how this and that must be done, but has no clue how to put their ideas into action in government.

You also remarked about how the change has to be quick and "brutal." Interestingly, the founding fathers actually designed the US government in such a way to ensure that change would be slow. The Founders constructed a democratic republic that requires national dialogue in order to form consensus on crucial issues, rather than just a wacko "change everything" leader who totally changes the direction of the country in one term. The slow, deliberate process of the American government ensures that only credible changes take place, ones which have been thought through and are not rash decisions.
 
DSpeeGal said:
I agree re Webb

I disagree with your take on Repoz
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Perhaps, but of the Repugnicants, only Rubio and Carly aren't insane. Trump and Carson are wonderful for their shock value, but who really wants either in the Oval Office? Trump would declare bankruptcy within a year and sell the national parks to build a national casino in Atlantic City.

Rubio can't even be heard over the Carson and the Trump and the media likes it that way. Carly is just a mouse squeaking and Cruz has his own crazy ideas to overcome.

If your party can come to its sensimilla and choose a Rubio/Carly or Carly/Cruz Rubio ticket instead of Trump/who cares ticket, they might have a chance of winning. But so far, it appears the press isn't going to allow any but Trump and Carson to be heard, because those two make Hillary and Sanders seem like sensible centrists.
 
kbate said:
Perhaps, but of the Repugnicants, only Rubio and Carly aren't insane. Trump and Carson are wonderful for their shock value, but who really wants either in the Oval Office? Trump would declare bankruptcy within a year and sell the national parks to build a national casino in Atlantic City.

Rubio can't even be heard over the Carson and the Trump and the media likes it that way. Carly is just a mouse squeaking and Cruz has his own crazy ideas to overcome.

If your party can come to its sensimilla and choose a Rubio/Carly or Carly/Cruz Rubio ticket instead of Trump/who cares ticket, they might have a chance of winning. But so far, it appears the press isn't going to allow any but Trump and Carson to be heard, because those two make Hillary and Sanders seem like sensible centrists.
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Would you care to enlighten us as to why Cruz is so 'crazy?'

Ishmael
 
Even those who admit they know what a game it all is - know that the media manipulates it, know that the .10%ers steer it, know that the power of elite delusion governs it - still can't help themselves but play along anyway, proclaiming to cast their vote for a candidate of the least offense, forgetting what they know so as to appease their egos as having some say in the matter when the masters of the game have that figured out, too.

Casting your ballot for the lesser of what you presume to be evil isn't political activism in the least; it's simply just a lemming ego's easy way to try to not take so much blame for the diabolical game being played and their continued support of it.

Short of revolution, citizen nullification - NO MORE! I'M NOT PLAYING YOUR GAME! - is the only solution to a problem that only gets worse with each passing year. But lemmings can't do that because it would stand them out from the collective, which is contrary to their very existence.

This field of candidates, nor matter which Party, proves explicitly that the lemmings of America have exactly the government wannabes they so richly deserve.
 
Ishmael said:
Why vote for "Democrat Lite" when you can vote for the real thing? The nation is coming apart at the seams. Financially and culturally. The changes required are going to be brutal, no matter which way the nation goes. No 'moderate' is going to be pushing those changes.

Yes, it would be nice to run on 'cruise control' for a while, but this is just NOT one of those times. And that's all you're going to get from a moderate, an attempt to keep 'cruise control' engaged.

Ishmael
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RINOs! End of the World as we know it! Dogs and cats, sleeping together! Mass hysteria!

Were you by chance standing on the corner in midtown Manhattan screeching at the top of your lungs this morning? :rolleyes:
 
kbate said:
Perhaps, but of the Repugnicants, only Rubio and Carly aren't insane. Trump and Carson are wonderful for their shock value, but who really wants either in the Oval Office? Trump would declare bankruptcy within a year and sell the national parks to build a national casino in Atlantic City.

Rubio can't even be heard over the Carson and the Trump and the media likes it that way. Carly is just a mouse squeaking and Cruz has his own crazy ideas to overcome.

If your party can come to its sensimilla and choose a Rubio/Carly or Carly/Cruz Rubio ticket instead of Trump/who cares ticket, they might have a chance of winning. But so far, it appears the press isn't going to allow any but Trump and Carson to be heard, because those two make Hillary and Sanders seem like sensible centrists.
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Exactly, many stations like CNN like to focus solely on Trump and Carson because they make Republicans seem like idiots. Doing this also takes all the air time away from the legitimate candidates, so they have a very hard time getting their message out and gaining support. It's not fair coverage of the race.
 
Mike712 said:
Exactly, many stations like CNN like to focus solely on Trump and Carson because they make Republicans seem like idiots. Doing this also takes all the air time away from the legitimate candidates, so they have a very hard time getting their message out and gaining support. It's not fair coverage of the race.
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News outlets focus on Trump and Carson because poll after poll shows those two guys consistently garnering anywhere from 45 to 60% of the Republican vote. That's newsworthy.

You don't like them, that's fine. I don't either. Your claim that they aren't "legitimate" is not borne out by poll results.

"Fair" or not, the news is doing their job covering the front runners.
 
Ishmael said:
Would you care to enlighten us as to why Cruz is so 'crazy?'

Ishmael
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DSpeeGal said:
Because ALL REPOZ are, dont you know:rolleyes:
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That's the basis on which CNBC operated on...

Crazy, radical, ________phobic, hateful, poisonous, defilers, greedy, heartless, etc.,

They are so bad, that to the National Democratic Socialist Party rank and file, an incompetent liar with blood on her hands is Mother Theresa in comparison.

:(
 
GOP Debate Flat-Earthers Would Rather Just Talk Among Themselves

The defining essence of today’s Republican Party is that it lives in its own reality with its own set of “facts.”

You know this well enough. On the planet most of us inhabit, huge tax cuts for the rich hurt the economy and compound the deficit. The earth is warming, and man-made carbon emissions have a lot to do with it. Evolution is a fact that happened and is still happening. On GOPEarth, tax cuts for the rich help the economy and reduce the deficit. The earth isn’t warming, and even if it were just a little, it’s nothing to do with us. Evolution is just a theory.

It’s all fantasy, and all promulgated partly out of deluded belief but mainly for the benefit of Republican politicians’ benefactors and shock troops—in the three cases above, for the über-rich, for energy and oil companies, and for religious-right voters.

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Keep in mind that no Democrat socialist ever made a dime of their millions from honest toil.
 
NOIRTRASH said:
Keep in mind that no Democrat socialist ever made a dime of their millions from honest toil.
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YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!

Hillary Clinton had to read the WSJ for years and years and years in order to make a killing in cattle futures...

:eek:

It makes no difference that her brokers were then later found guilty and fined of fleecing the average person in order to enrich their "important" clients, like the First Lady of ArKANSAS...

:mad:
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
[as per the Weekly Standard]

Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, Chris Christie, Carly Fiorina, and Ben Carson

Who is in the Final Four this March?
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And then there were twelve. Arrivederci, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham and Jim Gilmore (at least for now).

Only eight front-running candidates are going to be on the main stage according to the rules of the Fox Business presidential debate Tuesday night, and four will participate in the undercard. Nevertheless, no matter how many are on that stage in Milwaukee, I’m almost certain we are already down to a “Final Four.” And it’s pretty obvious who they are: Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. (Sentimentally, I wish there were still hope for Carly, because I like her. But there isn’t. If this were the Oscars, we could give her a special humanitarian award or something.)
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Roger L. Simon, PJMedia...
 
Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz?

It'll come down to Rubio and Cruz. Carson is imploding as we speak.

If the Beltway establishment has their way, it'll be Rubio.
If Wingnut Nation rises up in revolt, it'll be Cruz.

Either one will lose to the Democratic candidate in 2016.
 
RobDownSouth said:
Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz?

It'll come down to Rubio and Cruz. Carson is imploding as we speak.

If the Beltway establishment has their way, it'll be Rubio.
If Wingnut Nation rises up in revolt, it'll be Cruz.

Either one will lose to the Democratic candidate in 2016.
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Cruz would be the Dem favourite. His particular brand of crazy is fairly easy to counter. And he looks funny.
 
Sean said:
Cruz would be the Dem favourite. His particular brand of crazy is fairly easy to counter. And he looks funny.
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Cruz inspires a degree of Zealotry here in Texas that is frightening. I know of two women who I believe would Ishmael their young children if Cruz told them to do so.
 
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