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Aella_ said:
It's bizarre and so opposite from (my, for ex.) real life, what's happening on Lit.
In my real world, for ex. I encounter many 'conservatives' who are intolerant of others' opinion, and either shut you up with vengeance or carry a grudge, whenever you express some different opinions… I learned to keep my mouth shut and open up only with the (by the same token, many) 'libs.' from work.
Here, on Lit, a couple or more 'libs.' act like angry real-life 'conservatives' who are intolerant of anythin. that spells "different", opinion-wise at least.
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Your "conservatives" are more likely "common-sense" Liberals than actual conservatives.

;) ;)

None of these college clowns would consider themselves Socialists, even though they freely admit to liking themselves some Socialism to combat the economic equivalent of Glow Ball Warning, Capitalism...

The word itself is straight out of the mouth of Karl Marx who used it as a pejorative when describing actual Liberalism. Liberalism is life, liberty, property and limited government. Socialism is terrified of individual liberty* they so they engage in common-sense regulation, which never has an end. But thanks to the living examples of the last century of what happens when Socialism is actually tried, they hide behind new nomenclature of Liberal (but common sense Liberal, not like Smith and Mises), Progressive, Pragmatic Centrist, or just plain "moderate."



* The Socialist loves not just the freedom to go to a restaurant, but the freedom to dictate the contents of the menu to the business owner, but in a common-sense methodology based more on consensus that any actual real science or danger to the patrons. They believe that if left to his own devices, the chef will poison his customers for profit...
 
You would think that after at least 10 years of using "ad hominem" over and over the fucker would learn to finally use it in the right context.
 
Disgustipated said:
You would think that after at least 10 years of using "ad hominem" over and over the fucker would learn to finally use it in the right context.
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Eh, lots of people do that becaus they think it makes them sound smart. Like doing a C&P of an article and changing a few words to make it look like you wrote it. But of course he would never do that. :rolleyes:
The guy is a moron. I hate saying that too often because most people just have dumb days or talk before thinking. I do that shit all the time. No, he's stupid and I would imagine far beyond any help.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
I know. And now you act with the angry Sophism of Socialism.

We get that.
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Do you honestly believe that because someone thinks you're dumb that they are a socialist? What sense does that make?
Trying to show you aren't dumb by being dumb is counter-productive.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
There is no such thing as common-sense regulation. It is as big a mythical red herring as Capitalism.

What you like is called government control, a facet of Socialism. The beautiful thing about a phrase such as "commons sense" is that it has no terminal definition and thus the Socialist is free to control every aspect of life in the name of common sense, because common sense is in the eye of the beholder.

This is how common sense leads to complete Socialism:
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So your question was just rhetorical?

Shall I really discuss the terms "capitalism" and "socialism" with somebody who thinks because of ACA America became a socialist country?

Nah.
 
No, I think that you are a Socialist because you are a Socialist.



It has become such a bad word that you would never utter it.



It is s very simple litmus test: Do you believe that it is the role of government to regulate business to protect us from business?
 
PoppingTom said:
So your question was just rhetorical?

Shall I really discuss the terms "capitalism" and "socialism" with somebody who thinks because of ACA America became a socialist country?

Nah.
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America has been a Socialist country since FDR. They are just unwilling to admit it.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
No, I think that you are a Socialist because you are a Socialist.



It has become such a bad word that you would never utter it.



It is s very simple litmus test: Do you believe that it is the role of government to regulate business to protect us from business?
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Sorta curious now why you would think that of me. Can you show me something I've said that would imply I'm a socialist?
And that's a stupid litmus test because it's not a yes or no answer. The role of government from any viewpoint is much more complicated than that unless the person is an utter fool and...
Now it makes sense.
 
... in Roman poet Juvenal’s phrase, “who watches the watchers” — would merit some thought after a century of blood and poverty from socialism’s failures. Alas, we’re subjected to a non-stop stream of Nobel laureates oblivious to what Mises’s Human Action told us a generation ago: “Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an alternative to any system under which men can live as human beings.”
Peter St. Onge​

https://mises.org/library/robert-shiller-shilling-socialism
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Do you believe that it is the role of government to regulate business to protect us from business?
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Do you believe that the begin of regulation (off course, only from the government) is the end of capitalism?

Then yes, socialism won, because it's modern, human, progressive.

Perhaps, I have a different meaning of the word "socialism", as we broke with it. But what do I know?
 
Oh_That_Guy said:
Sorta curious now why you would think that of me. Can you show me something I've said that would imply I'm a socialist?
And that's a stupid litmus test because it's not a yes or no answer. The role of government from any viewpoint is much more complicated than that unless the person is an utter fool and...
Now it makes sense.
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It is a yes-no answer.

And if you think anything other, then you are a Socialist. Are you not concerned about the excesses of Capitalism and "income inequality?" I know that you are on guard, and all but done with me, but how about a little honesty...
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Bastiat was a stranger to the word.
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So? I asked what he has to say this morning, not what he thought of the subject, learn to read.

I'm shocked you're not quoting him to sound smart anymore.

4est_4est_Gump said:
No, I think that you are a Socialist because you are a Socialist.
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You think EVERYONE is a socialist.

4est_4est_Gump said:
It is s very simple litmus test: Do you believe that it is the role of government to regulate business?
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FYP.....apparently you don't know what socialism is.....shocking :rolleyes:
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
There is black and white, and if you refuse to believe that, then you will accept grey and let me tell you gray tends to black for when you say ∃ of anything is a good function of government then ∃ is everything ¬∀ and while you may be able to advocate for ∃ you won't be allowed to define it and in this manner its limit will be ∀ for ∑f(∪∃)i [i=from you to the total population] will never tend to ∅ by definition so it is easy to see that it is, indeed, an ∀ or ∅ when it comes to government. (Now, the ∑f(∩∃)i [i=from you to the total population] will tend to ∅ but that is politically unattainable for the obvious reason that the more ∃ is defined, the smaller the ∩∃ becomes.)
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If you believe that the government should have "some" duty to regulate, then you cannot define some and you can never say when you have enough, so Socialism grows and grows and the economy gets worse and worse and when it does, the cry goes out into the night, "It's the failings of Capitalism and we need some common-sense regulation of Capitalism and some common-sense taxation of the rich.
 
BotanyBoy said:
So? I asked what he has to say this morning, not what he thought of the subject, learn to read.

I'm shocked you're not quoting him to sound smart anymore.



You think EVERYONE is a socialist.



FYP.....apparently you don't know what socialism is.....shocking :rolleyes:
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I do know what it is. It is the belief in the positive interference of government (von Humboldt, On the Limits of State Action).

It is a belief that government has a duty to regulate even the tiniest aspect of our lives, for the reason I laid down, everyone has a different definition of what is proper regulation and pure Democracy gives them the power to have control over their fellow man, you even have people so used to the idea of Socialism that they are happy to surrender some of their liberty in the name of doing good and protecting themselves from some imagined harm out on the event horizon.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
It is a yes-no answer.

And if you think anything other, then you are a Socialist. Are you not concerned about the excesses of Capitalism and "income inequality?" I know that you are on guard, and all but done with me, but how about a little honesty...
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I have never talked about such things here. You'd have no idea what I do or not think about them. And if you think government can be boiled down to a yes or no answer then you're simply a naive little child.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
If you believe that the government should have "some" duty to regulate, then you cannot define some and you can never say when you have enough,
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Because people can't talk, yes.

4est_4est_Gump said:
so Socialism grows and grows and the economy gets worse and worse
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And instead of surviving in capitalism (which is of sooo high value ) I just live my life in socialism.

Explain why I shall feel bad about it.

4est_4est_Gump said:
and when it does, the cry goes out into the night, "It's the failings of Capitalism and we need some common-sense regulation of Capitalism and some common-sense taxation of the rich.
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So far, no reasons to think otherwise.
 
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