The last poem by Bogu in this thread is cowardish. There are two religions such that if you offend one of them then that religion presents you with its other cheek these days. When you offend the other religion then it chops your head off. I can't have any respect for this new poem. Osip Mandelstam paid for his political poem with Siberia, and ultimately with his life. One of many examples. I wonder how many of you took ever a chance to jeopardize your family's well-being, to risk your freedom or your life. Almost all your political "poems" are cheap and false. People only have political sentiments but without understanding, and this is horrible. The moment you put a political hat on your head you stop being any poet, you're just stupid.
Right!
(You just got a sample of how "good" it is ).Bulat Okudzhava' s song, one of them, was about a youngster--Leo Kingman. Leo had respect of other youngster from the neighborhood, then he went to the War, and got killed. He was a king of his neighborhood but never married, and there was nobody to cry after him. There was not a single word about any communism, capitalism, workers, farmers, political parties... But this poem/song had a profound political depth which none of your favorite "poems" can ever have, not ever close, there will be a world of difference. Now you may think about it.
Would you provide a link?
Pelegrino, you did it again. It's very unpleasant. Please, don't assign to me your ideas about me. If you want to involve me in a conversation at all (which is far from necessary, I am not any part of any topic, I just like to talk about poetry), then make the effort of understanding me. It's hard. You don't have to do it. But it's not nice when you talk garbage about me. I am not any pro- ar anty. I am human. It's hard for you to understand. Thus it's the best to leave me alone. Just focus on issues, not on me personally.
First of all, there is no place today for any serious discussion when one uses the term capitalism. This term was used and abused and interpreted and reinterpreted, and leads to misunderstandings and confusion, so much that any thoughtful discussion simply should not use it.
. It looks that you are not religious (I am not sure). But it simply makes no sense for a non-religious person to talk about god or God. You should leave god alone. Indeed, you make no sense, and you are at the same time extremely insensitive to other people.
C'mon, Angeline, this Bogu's anti-Semitic "the rightwing Judeo-Christian god of Wall Street" is as old cliche as there ever was. This is no poem. It doesn't give you any understanding of our human world at all. It's just a sentimental (meaning totally thoughtless) prejudice. And this cliche is mixed with anti-Christian message too.
There was/is anti-Semitism coming from Christians. There was anti-Semitism coming from fascists+socialists (Hitler, and others), from communists (Stalin, Khrushchev), there is anti-Semitism from all kind of the so-called liberals, from Arab and Moslem countries and regions, and there are many anti-Semites in many other countries around the world too, ... So, let's not worry about the ugly sources anymore. For the record, there are places in the US where groups of Christians and Jews have a joint church/synagogue building, and they coexist in harmony.
You're CRITICIZING!? Why don't you write a poem instead? (I do--for instance: different world, different liveS, affinity, the cities of the city, ... -- and see what is what versus all those "political" texts).
You've written anti-Semitic crap. Thus, don't complain.
I have never written anything about YOU. Only about your crappy text.
You're the one playing the intimidation game here, trying to shut me up, trying to prevent the truth glaring from your text.
Ash 9, thank you.
the gee bee's the place for controversy, here be poets.
just as long as it's in poetic form
