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Presumably you bought your car and hold a legal title to it. I'll wait while you produce your ownership papers and registration to the planet Earth.
Climate continues to change.
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Presumably you bought your car and hold a legal title to it. I'll wait while you produce your ownership papers and registration to the planet Earth.
Phelia
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I am not going to engage with you on your bullshit talking point non-science and your sophomoric straw man tactics (literally no one is claiming that they're irrelevant?). You couldn't even comprehend the fundamental difference between whether the consensus was referring to a consensus on climate change in general or AGW specifically, so I'm not about to put any effort into a real argument.
You can bwahahattack the link all you want, but it's simply describing a quantitative analysis of all of both published researched and the scientific community at large. Maybe if you can explain why you consider the conclusions of 82% of scientists and over 97% of published field experts irrelevant? Oh, I forgot, they're clandestinely being paid billions of dollars to lie in order to further the insidious cause of reducing our resource consumption and dependence on foreign fossil fuels. What a terrifying concept.
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VatAss finds it objectionable because it doesn't fit his confirmation bias, and therefore it impacts the "trooth" as he sees it.
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I truly am sorry you or having a tough time understanding.
I will type slow and break it down one more time for ya.....
I made one and only one, observation. That observation is that the Earth has gone through cycles of warming periods 5 times now in the last 450K years. Do you get why the other 4 could not be man made?
You make personal attacks. Changed the subject. Argued polls irrelevant to my point. Quoted a website study by John Cook, one of the most biased and ridiculed scientist on the whole subject. All while being a bitch about it.
NOT once did you address my point other to cry about the axis being off, to which I gave you another graph.
I sorry you do not understand and are left to these bullshit tactics.
Well, yes; but climatologists do not believe the present warming is part of that cycle.
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Truth is you a a fat ass racist piece of shit. Polls prove this to.
No one here has yet to address my point.
Why?
No one here is smart enough to argue it.
But do continue trying to change the subject....
Post #106.
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Truth is you a a fat ass racist piece of shit. Polls prove this to.
No one here has yet to address my point.
Why?
No one here is smart enough to argue it.
But do continue trying to change the subject....
Uh....?
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A: Replies to two different posters
B: I see, a personal attack in response to a personal attack proves some kind of point......
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A lot of assumptions - so many that I can't even begin to counter them. Basically the consensus appears to be, that we are terrified of change.
In other words, the way things are right now is the best possible scenario and we should fight like crazy to keep it that way. Isn't that awfully presumptuous of us?
But then at the very bottom you can read...
Note the sarcasm - the author bias reveals itself.
However it's a very interesting statement none the less, because it's true. The weather was a lot warmer - in fact, we have found Dinosaurs in Antarctica. This indicates an average temperature above zero, which in turn means melted ice. And guess what? The world didn't end.
However it's a very interesting statement none the less, because it's true. The weather was a lot warmer - in fact, we have found Dinosaurs in Antarctica. This indicates an average temperature above zero, which in turn means melted ice. And guess what? The world didn't end.
But the dinosaurs did. Again and N.B.: We're still in an Ice Age. Humans have never existed in a post-Ice-Age world, i.e., one with no ice even at the poles. That does not mean we could not survive in such a world, but it does mean we probably could not if the climate changed too fast for us to adapt -- not technogically, but biologically.
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Phelia
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I said that did not understand what you were talking about, which is true. What you said about the 97% consensus was patently and provably incorrect (which you have yet to admit or address). And now you're calling me a bitch (which I will proudly cop to). It is interesting that you feel you are the one being attacked.
It wasn't a "website study." The link was merely reporting on the findings of a broad quantitative analysis. It is troubling that you cannot understand this.
Again, I'm not going to argue your charts. I appreciate the tactics you are using to paint me as emotional, unintelligent, and unwilling to engage, but I am not going to play that game with you. What your argument boils down to is that global heating and cooling are cyclical and that the current fluctuations are not man-made. There is a mountain of science and a community-wide consensus that you are wrong. If you are too lazy or ignorant to discover why for yourself, that doesn't mean I have an obligation to explain it to you.
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Not really. I think the word your looking for is cautions or conservative or sane.
However it's a very interesting statement none the less, because it's true. The weather was a lot warmer - in fact, we have found Dinosaurs in Antarctica. This indicates an average temperature above zero, which in turn means melted ice. And guess what? The world didn't end.
How exactly does it indicate a temprature above zero?
Also the world ending isn't the risk at all. Other than your repeated evidence that you don't understand the science your discussing at all I don't understand how you even came to this conclusion.
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But for reasons unrelated to the climate change.
True - a too rapid change will cause a lot of problems. But either way the climate will change - with our without our help. It's inevitable, as Agent Smith would say. Too many people are spending way too much time worrying about it.
If people are freaked, out my advice is to learn how to swim and start hoarding penguins - when they become rare you can make a killing on eBay...
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Yes, climate change is inevitable. Climate change as rapid as Earth has experienced since the Industrial Revolution is not inevitable, and is unprecedented.
Point being: Dinosaurs once lived in Antarctica, but Antarctica was not at the South Pole at the time.
And, really, come to think of it, dinosaurs are the least interesting thing that once lived in Antarctica.
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But the industrial revolution was also unprecedented.
Never before in the history of the planet has there existed a species of life with the ability to "cheat evolution" and adapt as fast and to so many different environments as humans. Apart from the fact that it will take a serious disaster to impact us in any serious way, we're likely to develop ever more zero impact technology in the future. Not necessarily for the sake of the seals, but for political and economic reasons. Fossil fuel is a finite resource after all.
Yeah, I'm an optimist. So kill me
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As no one has answers other than...
But the consensus says!!!!! ( Followed by big foot stamp)
I suggest you look in to that 97% consensus and the history of John Cook.
The real number is closer to .05%....but, hey don't believe me. try doing some research. This "97% paper and John cook have been torn apart by more credible sources than me.
Better yet, read the actual fucking paper. You can pick up where he skewed the data in about 5 minutes if you are not retarded.
But the consensus says!!!!! ( Followed by big foot stamp)
I suggest you look in to that 97% consensus and the history of John Cook.
The real number is closer to .05%....but, hey don't believe me. try doing some research. This "97% paper and John cook have been torn apart by more credible sources than me.
Better yet, read the actual fucking paper. You can pick up where he skewed the data in about 5 minutes if you are not retarded.
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StrangeLife
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I don't own the car because I hold the title. I own the car because I can send the police after anybody who disputes my claim to it. In other words, I own the car because I have the means of defending my possession.
We own the Earth for pretty much the same reason. If a bear should make it to New York and start eating people, we have the means of dispatching it with extreme prejudice. If 2000 bears should follow, they still don't stand a chance. In other words, we own the Earth because we have the means of defending it against any other claimant.
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Like a few fleas fighting over who owns the dog.
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I can't believe nobody else thinks this is cool. It may not be relevant, but it's still cool.
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True that.
The correct term for what we own would be "the biosphere." We can't do anything to the planet itself. Even if we should manage to blow it to pieces (which we can't) it would simply slowly reassemble itself and become solid again after a few million years.
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