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Old 04-18-2018, 10:15 AM   #1
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New story in series about role playing

https://www.literotica.com/s/role-pl...michelle-ch-02

I think there will be a total of five chapters in this series.

New York in the '70s was a very different place from what it is now.

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Old 04-18-2018, 12:04 PM   #2
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What about role play? Two men? Two women? Five midgets with no genitals? Clown porn?
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:31 PM   #3
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It's a man and a woman. Read it and find out more.

Chapter 1 of the series does have a "light" BDSM theme. Several of my future submissions do too.

I see in your profile that you are aspiring to write your own material.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:58 AM   #4
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Read it and find out more.
Many people, myself included, like to know more about a story before reading it. Ya know when stories have a shit-ton of "views"? Most of them are people clicking on something and hitting the BACK button.

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Chapter 1 of the series does have a "light" BDSM theme. Several of my future submissions do too.
And if someone doesn't like BDSM (or anal, or clown porn) they may get upset.

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Yes.
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Old 04-19-2018, 10:38 AM   #5
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And if someone doesn't like BDSM (or anal, or clown porn) they may get upset.
Yes I've noticed that even if this is a site for erotica there is always something beyond what somebody will tolerate.

For the chapter 1 story I used the tags to give people an indication that there was a spanking scene in it. For other stories I may go to the BDSM category if that seems to be the main theme.

I've never seen clown porn but I've heard of it. Some people think clowns are a bit sinister.
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:21 PM   #6
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Yes I've noticed that even if this is a site for erotica there is always something beyond what somebody will tolerate.

For the chapter 1 story I used the tags to give people an indication that there was a spanking scene in it. For other stories I may go to the BDSM category if that seems to be the main theme.

I've never seen clown porn but I've heard of it. Some people think clowns are a bit sinister.
There are whole armies of readers with very precise expectations of what is "acceptable" in any category. The primary criterion, mostly, is if they don't personally like something, it's not acceptable. Some of them are very vocal about it all and will down-vote and rant, instead of just backing out and finding another story.

Be aware that the tags are useless as content warnings as they only show on the last page of the story, so no-one reads them up-front. Tags are useful for content searches, but no good for warning "there is kink X in this story" - they're like a sign saying, "You have just crossed a crocodile infested river," and you say,"Oh look Hans, crocodiles. Hans? Hans?"

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Old 04-19-2018, 07:35 PM   #7
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There are whole armies of readers with very precise expectations of what is "acceptable" in any category. The primary criterion, mostly, is if they don't personally like something, it's not acceptable. Some of them are very vocal about it all and will down-vote and rant, instead of just backing out and finding another story.

Be aware that the tags are useless as content warnings as they only show on the last page of the story, so no-one reads them up-front. Tags are useful for content searches, but no good for warning "there is kink X in this story" - they're like a sign saying, "You have just crossed a crocodile infested river," and you say,"Oh look Hans, crocodiles. Hans? Hans?"

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This statement really supports the non-consent category as well as incest. Those two subjects probably shouldn’t venture into other categories. However, I have had some success placing my non-consent into Sci-Fi and Non human categories. Totally agree with you on the tag placement for the story being on the last page but, even if it were on page one, it would be at the bottom which wouldn’t help much either🌹Kant👠👠👠
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:22 PM   #8
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This statement really supports the non-consent category as well as incest. Those two subjects probably shouldn’t venture into other categories. However, I have had some success placing my non-consent into Sci-Fi and Non human categories. Totally agree with you on the tag placement for the story being on the last page but, even if it were on page one, it would be at the bottom which wouldn’t help much either🌹Kant👠👠👠

Only way around this is to put your own tags as an intro before the body of the story if you have themes that are deal breakers and non-con is certainly one of those. Should reduce the majority of those who might be offended though there probably are some who will be offended just from seeing tags and who will vote/comment accordingly.
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This statement really supports the non-consent category as well as incest. Those two subjects probably shouldn’t venture into other categories. However, I have had some success placing my non-consent into Sci-Fi and Non human categories. Totally agree with you on the tag placement for the story being on the last page but, even if it were on page one, it would be at the bottom which wouldn’t help much either🌹Kant👠👠👠
Also GM. Drop in an unsuspected GM scene, even the hint of one, and you'll trigger the homophobes.

Look at the evidence:

The Floating World (Amanda meets an older man) 25 faves, 33k4 views, 4.76/274, 22 comments

The Floating World Pt. 02 (Amanda and her men get together) 4 faves, 4k5 views, 4.32/38, 2 comments.

The Floating World Pt. 03 (Twelve Silken Buttons. A virgin is seduced by an older man.) 4 faves, 12k3 views, 4.72/60, 4 comments.

You would think a story as successful as Part 1 would generate a pretty good Part 2 - but see the numbers, a tenth of the previous scores. The clue is in the title, "men" plural. Nine readers out of ten didn't even look, and despite being the same characters, the score still got thumped. One reader accused me of turning Amanda into a slut, despite Adam having the first taste of the boyfriend. Tainted by association?

Note the follower bounce back on Part 3, "Oh good, back to straight hetero."

The homophobes of Lit really do not like GM, anywhere.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:01 PM   #10
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It seems like some people want to write things that are transgressive, then complain when people feel they've transgressed.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:06 AM   #11
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It seems like some people want to write things that are transgressive, then complain when people feel they've transgressed.
It's not a complaint. It's an observation, with evidence, of the levels of homophobia here on Lit. I find it extraordinary that so many people (and on the evidence of nothing at all, ipso facto, men) feel so threatened.

Where in the title "Amanda and her men" does it hint, suggest, or say, that there might be a GM encounter? It doesn't, yet only one tenth the number of readers clicked into what is obviously a sequel to a quite successful story, with pretty obviously at least two of the same characters - and a hint in an author's comment to the first story as to who the other man would be (Amanda's boyfriend) - thus, known to potential readers.

The fact that there actually were two paragraphs, maybe three, in Part 2 that actually were GM is neither here nor there, but it's pretty clear to me why the score is as low as it is. It was almost a double-blind experiment.

As I say, who gives a rats if someone's gay? I don't, but it's pretty clear so many here on Lit seem to be so fearful they might be turned on by a cock or two.

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Old 04-20-2018, 08:44 AM   #12
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It seems like some people want to write things that are transgressive, then complain when people feel they've transgressed.
Transgressive is a shitty way to put it. I'm sure it's easy for people with no imagination to exist comfortably within the boxes that are the Lit categorizations, but some of us are just creating the content we want to see.
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It seems that some people think that if a writer explores a certain topic, say incest, than that writer either advocates it or even practices it. Or, at least, the topic is too taboo to be even mentioned.
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Also GM. Drop in an unsuspected GM scene, even the hint of one, and you'll trigger the homophobes.

Look at the evidence:

The Floating World (Amanda meets an older man) 25 faves, 33k4 views, 4.76/274, 22 comments

The Floating World Pt. 02 (Amanda and her men get together) 4 faves, 4k5 views, 4.32/38, 2 comments.

The Floating World Pt. 03 (Twelve Silken Buttons. A virgin is seduced by an older man.) 4 faves, 12k3 views, 4.72/60, 4 comments.


Note the follower bounce back on Part 3, "Oh good, back to straight hetero."

The homophobes of Lit really do not like GM, anywhere.
Are you sure you didn't put up a teaser line that doesn't set off the appropriate kink signals for the group you're posting in?

Your three examples are all in the Mature category, but TWO of them (1 and 3) specifically SAY girl meets older man. Your number 2 has no special Mature-type kink mentioned, its a girl and her guys (which sounds like more Group Sex than Mature, if you have no other clues).

And your part 4, which was posted as Gay Male, with Gay Male teaser, did just as well as parts 1 and 3.
The Floating World Pt. 04 (4.72) Jesse and Adam. A young man spends a strange night with Adam.

So Is it homophobes dropping out without voting, or is it genre readers not seeing enough attractive tag/teaser/description that fits the kink to lure them in?

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Old 04-22-2018, 04:45 AM   #15
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So Is it homophobes dropping out without voting, or is it genre readers not seeing enough attractive tag/teaser/description that fits the kink to lure them in?
It's a vaguely informed guess. Part One was a bit of a hit - high views, high scores, a high number of comments.

Part Two followed very quickly and I thought that fans of the first story would find it obvious that it had the same female lead and most likely the same male lead. I put it in the same category, Mature, because it was the same couple, and I was seeking the same readers.

So why would only one tenth the number even go see? Something spooked them. I still contend "men" in the title had a lot to do with it. It is of course entirely possible that Mature readers only ever want couples - your point is quite valid.

As you say, Part 3 bounced back - the subtitle indicating it was back to a couple.

Part 4 was placed in GM because it could go nowhere else - so a completely different readership.

Part 5 was a blatant cheat on my part. Label anything Incest and the scores will arrive - a bit cynical on my part, as the incest is in the very last line. But then, the plot set up was so obvious - category = incest; male protagonist = older man; female protagonist = younger woman. Incest bingo. "Hi, Dad." The only tension is "when". It's not a very sophisticated category, once you've established it's not mom in the back seat of the car.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:35 PM   #16
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The roleplay thing is a nice idea and the stories are quite fun.
The second one has a lower rating, and I think it is not so good as the first. The initial section seems disjointed from the main story. Look out for the causal/casual typo - it occurs twice, once in the first paragraph!
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Old 04-26-2018, 06:46 PM   #17
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Thanks for the feedback

Yes, the dialogue in the first section was from another, loosely related scene. Originally the female speaker was another character entirely. It was probably a dubious idea to put that in.

The typo was hard to spot because first the spellchecker doesn't catch it, and then it takes a sharp eye to get when proofreading.

I'll have other role play stories in the future, some with different characters. Some may be darker in tone than these two.

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