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jacktar, I have not heard of Foria and am very interested in learning more about it. Thanks for the information. I am so glad I am a medicinal marijuana patient in California, so I can!
 
AllardChardon said:
jacktar, I have not heard of Foria and am very interested in learning more about it. Thanks for the information. I am so glad I am a medicinal marijuana patient in California, so I can!
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I hope you do, and tell everyone how it works, or if it does. Joan Price is doing a personal test, I think, so we'll find out from her too.
 
Interesting development in Missouri:

http://www.theweedblog.com/columbia-missouri-marijuana-cultivation-ordinance/

People in Columbia, MO, at least, are sick of the stupidity and abuse of marijuana laws and are about to decriminalize the possession of 35 grams or less for everyone, with a complete exemption for people with a doctor's note.

You can even get the note from a doctor after being molested by the cops, which hopefully means no one will ever be prosecuted for possession of small amounts.

They are also proposing allowing people to grow 2 plants.

I take this as a very hopeful sign. They're not waiting for the corrupt state government to do something--they're doing it on their own. They can't make it legal, but they can decriminalize it and ignore it, which is a good first step.

Obviously decriminalization is not enough. If you want examples of how such laws can be abused go drive on the highway on a holiday weekend and experience the joy of being shaken down for a speeding violation. You might even get lucky and be accused of DWI. This highway robbery is NOT designed to "keep you safe," although you may have bought into that grotesque lie. It's designed to subsidize the goons that are paid to fuck with you, and they take full advantage of that. The $250 fine for possession could become part of that, if people don't object.

But it's one way to start.
 
Jacktar, slowly but surely, the rest of the states will come on board. For me, it is a question of which state will be last. Utah and Texas are my best guesses. Utah because everything fun is bad for you there, except sex, and Texas because they are so close to Mexico and fear being overrun with more foreign importers. Anyone else want to offer their opinion on the last state holding out against the wicked weed march?
 
I'd vote for Mississippi. Never underestimate the power of stupidity.

As Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton said when asked the first thing he thought when he was told that Arkansas was 49th in education, "Thank God for Mississippi." :D
 
I'll go with Florida. The diehard moralists will fight to the bitter end to keep it out of the state. I saw how they handles smokers when I was down there and really glad I never got caught sneaking a puff in when I could.
 
Those are both good guesses. I am sure we will have a few years, before we know for certain. I figure if the Feds do decriminalize or legalize marijuana use, it will still be up to the states to decide, if they want to be a "wet" or "dry" state, like back in the days of prohibition.
 
Let’s Go Weed Shopping In Denver With Rachel Maddow

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:D
 
Very nice, JackLuis. I am currently watching what happens in a court case here in California, regarding the legality of cannabis as a Schedule 1 dangerous drug. It is the first time a judge has allowed medical testimony about marijuana being misclassified. One of the arguments is "If cannabis is so dangerous, why are Colorado and Washington allowed to continue their recreational use?" The time has come to tell the truth and change the classification.
 
We missed out on getting legalization on the ballot here. They disqualified a lot of signatures on the petitions and then it was too late. No one really expected it to pass anyway this time, but maybe next time...

We also elected a raving asshole governor, so that will not help.
 
jacktar48 said:
We missed out on getting legalization on the ballot here. They disqualified a lot of signatures on the petitions and then it was too late. No one really expected it to pass anyway this time, but maybe next time...

We also elected a raving asshole governor, so that will not help.
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Last gasp. It takes several tries to get Mary J on the ballot as winning. But it will
 
We are still shaking our heads here in Florida over the constitutional amendment going down in flames on Tuesday, solely because it needed a "60% super majority" vote to pass.

We pulled a 16% spread of 58% 'yes' vs 42% 'no' with a 1.1 million vote margin of victory out of 5.86 million cast...and still fuckin' LOSE! And it was medical pot for fucks sake!!! :mad:

Damn Repub mega-zillionaire casino owner personally paid right at $33 for each damn one of the 152,000 votes that kept it from passing since he dropped $5,000,000 into the 'Vote No' campaign war chest.

Plus the damn teabaggers and other assorted GOP whackos managed to take control of both state houses along with every state officer position and on top of re-electing the Medicare Fraud King as Governor again. My county didn't elect a single Democrat to any local offices either and sent our "John Boehner lap-puppy" back to Congress for another two years. :rolleyes:

After nearly 27 years in Florida, my ass is moving back to Ohio in the spring. Screw this bullshit! I'll be firing up my one-hitter on the porch of a 150-year-old log cabin in the woods near the river in the future and growing my own if I have to. :D
 
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I sympathize with all medicinal patients. Here is Shasta County, CA, the local Christian Coalition managed to get Measure A put on the ballot and unfortunately it passed, even though it is in direct violation of Prop 215. No outdoor cultivation is the worst of it. No warrant to see if a patient is in compliance is also there, along with only 12 plants per person, grown only in a detached building, with no way to get the sun to the plants ever. It is a travesty and will end up in court. Even the ACLU came out against Measure A. I suppose most of the growers in the area were not even registered to vote, and if they were, they did not manage to get to the polls in time.
 
JKendallDane said:
We are still shaking our heads here in Florida over the constitutional amendment going down in flames on Tuesday, solely because it needed a "60% super majority" vote to pass.

We pulled a 16% spread of 58% 'yes' vs 42% 'no' with a 1.1 million vote margin of victory out of 5.86 million cast...and still fuckin' LOSE! And it was medical pot for fucks sake!!! :mad:

Damn Repub mega-zillionaire casino owner personally paid right at $33 for each damn one of the 152,000 votes that kept it from passing since he dropped $5,000,000 into the 'Vote No' campaign war chest.

Plus the damn teabaggers and other assorted GOP whackos managed to take control of both state houses along with every state officer position and on top of re-electing the Medicare Fraud King as Governor again. My county didn't elect a single Democrat to any local offices either and sent our "John Boehner lap-puppy" back to Congress for another two years. :rolleyes:

After nearly 27 years in Florida, my ass is moving back to Ohio in the spring. Screw this bullshit! I'll be firing up my one-hitter on the porch of a 150-year-old log cabin in the woods near the river in the future and growing my own if I have to. :D
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I feel your pain. All of it.

But I'm not upset that the medical marijuana proposal required a 60% supermajority to pass. It was put on the ballot as a constitutional amendment. Constitutional amendments should be rare, and they should be difficult to pass. Bad legislation can repealed in the next session, but a constitutional amendment is on the books for the long haul. They can't be repealed or modified in the next legislative session. Every pet issue should not be put to the vote as a constitutional amendment.

The marijuana proposal had (tepid) support from both sides before a flood of out of state money raised a slew of silly fears and turned the tide against it. I hope the legislature takes up the issue and drafts a bill that recognizes the statewide support for the proposal and addresses the fears of the minority who blocked it. The biggest argument against it was that it was "ambiguous", which was bullshit but can be easily remedied in a statute.
 
soflabbwlvr said:
I feel your pain. All of it.

But I'm not upset that the medical marijuana proposal required a 60% supermajority to pass. It was put on the ballot as a constitutional amendment. Constitutional amendments should be rare, and they should be difficult to pass. Bad legislation can repealed in the next session, but a constitutional amendment is on the books for the long haul. They can't be repealed or modified in the next legislative session. Every pet issue should not be put to the vote as a constitutional amendment.

The marijuana proposal had (tepid) support from both sides before a flood of out of state money raised a slew of silly fears and turned the tide against it. I hope the legislature takes up the issue and drafts a bill that recognizes the statewide support for the proposal and addresses the fears of the minority who blocked it. The biggest argument against it was that it was "ambiguous", which was bullshit but can be easily remedied in a statute.
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We had a constitutional amendment on the ballot to make prohibition of alcohol illegal on the county level. It failed. It looked like it would pass until a group of assholes bought the election.

"Couch’s organization raised about $200,000 and was supported mainly by out-of-state convenience stores. Citizens for Local Rights raised $1.8 million from roughly 900 contributors, many of which were existing Arkansas liquor megastores, often near the border of a dry county" (http://time.com/3558419/2014-election-arkansas-prohibition/)

Incidentally, "Citizens for Local Rights" wants to prevent people from having the right to buy liquor in their own counties. Of course the major religious fanatics want the whole country to be dry, and the preachers jumped right on to help the big liquor stores maintain their advantage in the wet counties.

This is the kind of crap we are going to face with marijuana legalization too. The best course of action I can think of is for people to keep on doing what they want to do and ignore the stupid laws.
 
I have always said that once 26 states come on board with marijuana, everything will change and we are there now. We shall see what happens in the election that will make all the difference, 2016. Hopefully, the Feds will re-classify marijuana in the meantime.
 
AllardChardon said:
I have always said that once 26 states come on board with marijuana, everything will change and we are there now. We shall see what happens in the election that will make all the difference, 2016. Hopefully, the Feds will re-classify marijuana in the meantime.
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It's going to be hard for them to hang on to the laws regarding marijuana and re-classify, seeing as the basis for the ruling has been shown repeatedly to be untrue. Once the "Ainslinger Attitude" has been overturned and factual proof is presented, they have no choice but to change it and that in turn will cause an outcry for people to be released from jail for simple possession and smoking it.
 
JKendallDane said:
We are still shaking our heads here in Florida over the constitutional amendment going down in flames on Tuesday, solely because it needed a "60% super majority" vote to pass.

We pulled a 16% spread of 58% 'yes' vs 42% 'no' with a 1.1 million vote margin of victory out of 5.86 million cast...and still fuckin' LOSE! And it was medical pot for fucks sake!!! :mad:

Damn Repub mega-zillionaire casino owner personally paid right at $33 for each damn one of the 152,000 votes that kept it from passing since he dropped $5,000,000 into the 'Vote No' campaign war chest.

Plus the damn teabaggers and other assorted GOP whackos managed to take control of both state houses along with every state officer position and on top of re-electing the Medicare Fraud King as Governor again. My county didn't elect a single Democrat to any local offices either and sent our "John Boehner lap-puppy" back to Congress for another two years. :rolleyes:

After nearly 27 years in Florida, my ass is moving back to Ohio in the spring. Screw this bullshit! I'll be firing up my one-hitter on the porch of a 150-year-old log cabin in the woods near the river in the future and growing my own if I have to. :D
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Relax it will get the vote next time. Cancer patients should no longer suffer
 
I will keep everyone posted on what happens with Measure A here in Shasta County. Thanks everyone for the great posts.
 
NPR reported yesterday that it appears the US is now a net exporter of marijuana.

Legalization has reduced marijuana profits to Mexican drug gangs to the point that they are now buying it in Colorado and California and taking it home to sell in the high-end market, because most Mexican weed is crap.

They interviewed a Mexican farmer who said that a couple of years ago he was getting 80-90 dollars a kilo for Mexican brick weed. Now he's getting $20 a kilo and it's not worth growing it. He's thinking about planting opium poppies next year.

The drug gangs are not going out of business any time soon. They may give up on marijuana as an easy source of income, but they are replacing it with more cocaine, heroin, and crystal meth.

Any suggestions on how to make these enterprises unprofitable as well?

The answer is obvious to anyone who can get his head out of his ass for just a few minutes.
 
It is a wonder to me why the Mexican farmers have not upgraded their seed stock with killer California strains and flooded the market by now, here and in their country.

Yesterday, I heard a story on NPR about "trimigants" in Humboldt County on the streets, looking for work, trimming buds. Did anyone else hear that one?
 
jacktar48 said:
NPR reported yesterday that it appears the US is now a net exporter of marijuana.

Legalization has reduced marijuana profits to Mexican drug gangs to the point that they are now buying it in Colorado and California and taking it home to sell in the high-end market, because most Mexican weed is crap.

They interviewed a Mexican farmer who said that a couple of years ago he was getting 80-90 dollars a kilo for Mexican brick weed. Now he's getting $20 a kilo and it's not worth growing it. He's thinking about planting opium poppies next year.

The drug gangs are not going out of business any time soon. They may give up on marijuana as an easy source of income, but they are replacing it with more cocaine, heroin, and crystal meth.

Any suggestions on how to make these enterprises unprofitable as well?

The answer is obvious to anyone who can get his head out of his ass for just a few minutes.
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I live in Colorado so I'm able to see what affect legalized MJ is having on society, including the so called drug gangs. Here are some points surrounding MJ and other drugs that have come up in Colorado since legalization:
  • No one I know started smoking weed just because it is legal
  • No one I know that was a user stopped smoking weed when it wasn't legal
  • Prison overcrowding is starting to ease (Most of these people still grow thier own)
  • The "drug gangs" cannot currently compete on a price basis with legal weed, so untaxed MJ sales are nearly non-existant
  • The "drug gangs" tried to move from MJ to heroin in Colorado, but did not find enough of a market to sell to.
  • Because of antiquated banking laws the Colorado MJ business must be cash only from the grower to the consumer. This makes robbery the new target market for the "drug gangs"
  • Easing the banking laws and allowing investment in the MJ market top to bottom would further ring cost out of the end product and squeeze the last bits of un-taxed MJ sales into non-existance.
I am not a MJ user, but legalizing it was definitely the right move to make.
 
AllardChardon said:
It is a wonder to me why the Mexican farmers have not upgraded their seed stock with killer California strains and flooded the market by now, here and in their country.

Yesterday, I heard a story on NPR about "trimigants" in Humboldt County on the streets, looking for work, trimming buds. Did anyone else hear that one?
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Yeah, I heard it. It never occurred to me that it was on such a large scale that it would be a problem getting people to do it. I'm still a little skeptical. Are we talking hundreds of tons here?

I get the impression the Mexican product is low quality because the climate is not ideal, they grow outside with minimal care, and they grind everything up, stems and seeds and all, and compress it into bricks. Mass production. It was acceptable when there was no competition. Now it's crap.

There's also a problem with legality. Not a major problem...but payoffs have to be made, etc. I suppose under the circumstances no one is willing to make the investment in a high-tech growing facility.
 
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