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Well, isn't this the shit....$3 billion for Ukraine to go straight to...Russia

As Western leaders prepare a bailout package for embattled Ukraine, they face a startling irony: Thanks to the almost bizarre structure of a bond deal between Ukraine and Russia, billions of those dollars are almost certain to go directly into the coffers of the Putin government.

As CNBC has reported, some aid money is bound to go into Russia as a result of energy trade and other economic factors. But the situation is actually much more acute than just that: An existing agreement between the two countries makes an immediate, direct transfer from Ukraine to Russia legally enforceable.
 
BBG1970 said:
The reason the former PM of the Ukraine took the trade deal with Putin was for economic reasons. Putin just made a better financial offer than the west.

Ramifications of the break up of the Ukraine? Be prepared for more of your tax dollars to go to support the parts of the Ukraine that don't join up with Russia.

Freedom, Liberty have nothing to do with this. It's been about $ from the beginning and it can't be spun any other way.
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http://www.uaupdates.info/why-does-putin-want-crimea-anyway/
 
islandman said:
There's no evidence to show a propensity for said behaviour. Further, half of the legislative branch and likely all international partners would abandon him even if he could not be reined in by his Cabinet and the Democratic leadership.

I can understand indulging in the fantasy of it happening and likely permanently killing the Democratic Party, but, once again, no evidence whatsoever.
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Look, he has a history of angering and retaliation for what he considers slights. This has been reported on with consistency on several occasions with sources both in and on the periphery of the White House. Even the water carrying NYT has written on the subject at least twice. So far only what he considers 'political enemies' have been the target of his ire.

That being said, with the exception of the initial outburst of dire threats and consequences he has handled the situation in a measured manner so far. The problem is the initial outburst following so closely on the heels of his mythical "red line" in Syria.

Liar said:
http://www.uaupdates.info/why-does-putin-want-crimea-anyway/
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Good informative article.

Ishmael
 
Grampa Syphillish said:
Look, he has a history of angering and retaliation for what he considers slights. This has been reported on with consistency on several occasions with sources both in and on the periphery of the White House. Even the water carrying NYT has written on the subject at least twice. So far only what he considers 'political enemies' have been the target of his ire.
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Grampa Syphillish
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Psychological projection at its finest.

President Obama has no history of this (notice how Grampa Syphillish doesn't suppy links to back up his specious claims) but Grampa himself has a reputation for retaliation (remember when he threated to refer a Litster here to her state bar association in retaliation for her making fun of him?)
 
Ishmael said:
Look, he has a history of angering and retaliation for what he considers slights. This has been reported on with consistency on several occasions with sources both in and on the periphery of the White House. Even the water carrying NYT has written on the subject at least twice. So far only what he considers 'political enemies' have been the target of his ire.

That being said, with the exception of the initial outburst of dire threats and consequences he has handled the situation in a measured manner so far. The problem is the initial outburst following so closely on the heels of his mythical "red line" in Syria.

Ishmael
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This is either sheer conjecture or a convoluted fantasy on your part.

Outbursts by presidents is not news, it's gossip. That aside, it takes a massive leap in imagination to go from political in-fighting to military action against a nuclear power just because he's been "slighted". More to the point, it doesn't matter if you think he'd opt for military action if embarrassed. I have faith that the system of checks and balances in place - both within each branch of government and among the three - ensure that a pissed off president can't throw a temper tantrum with bombs. This faith is surely as legitimate as your flight of fancy.

I've not read the NYT pieces on his temper tantrums; you're welcome to link me to them so that I can begin to grasp the basis of your....rationale.
 
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Ishmael said:
Look, he has a history of angering and retaliation for what he considers slights. This has been reported on with consistency on several occasions with sources both in and on the periphery of the White House. Even the water carrying NYT has written on the subject at least twice. So far only what he considers 'political enemies' have been the target of his ire.
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So show us the receipts, Ish. You're living in the computer age. It's show and not tell, so link your shit.

Ishmael said:
The problem is the initial outburst following so closely on the heels of his mythical "red line" in Syria.
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So what happened with Syria, Ish? Boy, thanks to that bluff-calling red line stuff, we're really quagmired in war with that country now, aren't we?
 
I'd love to hear what the White House bootblack and fireplace stoker have to say about Obama's temperament.
 
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vetteman said:
90% of what you claim, is never backed up with links, so do shut the fuck up.
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Actually, he does back his shit up with links. Even your racist shitstain bivouac buddy remarks on them. You just never bother reading them, fuzz butt.
 
IrezumiKiss said:
So show us the receipts, Ish. You're living in the computer age. It's show and not tell, so link your shit.



So what happened with Syria, Ish? Boy, thanks to that bluff-calling red line stuff, we're really quagmired in war with that country now, aren't we?
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The Wall Street Journal's 'Review and Outlook' does justice to Vlad's realist agenda, and rightly exposes U.S. President Barack Obama's pusillanimous contribution to the entire affair. In one germane paragraph the WSJ states:

"[Putin] is willing to play this rough because he sees Western weakness. The EU is hopeless, led by a Germany so comfortable in its pacifism that it won't risk even a diplomatic confrontation. As for the U.S., it's no coincidence that Mr. Putin asserted himself in Ukraine not long after Mr. Obama retreated in humiliating fashion from his "red line" in Syria. As always in history, such timidity invites the aggression it purports to prevent. If this American President won't even bomb Damascus airfields to stop the use of chemical weapons, why would Mr. Putin think Mr. Obama would do anything for eastern Europe?" [Emphasis added]

While it is easy to make the case that America has 'no dog in the fight' in Ukraine -- in fact, even easier than the Syria question -- the truth is far from thus.
 
Beco said:
The Wall Street Journal's 'Review and Outlook' does justice to Vlad's realist agenda, and rightly exposes U.S. President Barack Obama's pusillanimous contribution to the entire affair. In one germane paragraph the WSJ states:

"[Putin] is willing to play this rough because he sees Western weakness. The EU is hopeless, led by a Germany so comfortable in its pacifism that it won't risk even a diplomatic confrontation. As for the U.S., it's no coincidence that Mr. Putin asserted himself in Ukraine not long after Mr. Obama retreated in humiliating fashion from his "red line" in Syria. As always in history, such timidity invites the aggression it purports to prevent. If this American President won't even bomb Damascus airfields to stop the use of chemical weapons, why would Mr. Putin think Mr. Obama would do anything for eastern Europe?" [Emphasis added]

While it is easy to make the case that America has 'no dog in the fight' in Ukraine -- in fact, even easier than the Syria question -- the truth is far from thus.
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Your new ghost-writer certainly has a flair for the dramatic.
 
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