Yes, but the two are not synonymous, and there is such thing as non-fascist militarism.
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Yes, but the two are not synonymous, and there is such thing as non-fascist militarism.
Karen Kraft
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I've been posting on the subject of Gaetano Mosca for over half a decade here.
You have nothing to add to the argument. Fuck off.
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Oh.... and not only did you link us to a dead link, I do indeed give references for that.
You run along now, you worthless piece of shit.
I bet it never occurred to you to consider what I posted here and attempt to address the points presented, did it? That's because you are very poorly educated, stupid, and dishonest. In short, you should eat shit and die on your birthday.
Fuck off.
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Oh, and while you're at it, I see that you plagiarized that cute little snark about "two chunks that stood out". You are so busted! What a fool. See:
http://markmail.org/message/hwvezttopvlsjugq
I guess you really are some sort of thief. Yeah, I bed you just steal thread ideas from other blogs and claim them as your own.
Since you were outed as nothing but a bullshit alt anyway, nobody is missing anything by ignoring you.
Back on Iggy now.
I'm pretty sure there's some sort of correlation between being a wingnut and jerking off. A lot.
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oh dear is someone pre-menstrual?
rattled your cage by exposing your shoddy 'scholarship'?
Poor old thing!
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Since I don't have an idea of what's going to come up soon I can hardly tell you about it. You'll know as soon as you know, Commander." She smiled as she relaxed into her chair, giving him an odd look as he uttered his last words. "Your obedience is enough at this time and for future reference while on duty I prefer to be addressed as Captain or Sir. I'm not much of a ma'am person."
"As you wish..." He chuckled softly, feeling comfortable with how things had come around between them. Without the animosity between them, he was actually looking forward to this tour through the Gamma Quadrant. He paused, and then looked up and smiled faintly. "Don't suppose you want to have dinner with me tonight?"
Stunned, she just looked at him for at least a full two minutes as she worked through all the reasons she should or shouldn't have dinner with him. Every time she came up with a reason she shouldn't her mind would remind her about the Volcano God dream. "Uh, Armando...I'm not sure how to answer that."
I see you lifted this for "your" story, "Caught>" Bad boy. When you lift phrases, even like "good morning," you must always link to a citation or people who don't like your politics will try to detail the conversation with non-productive ad hominem rhetoric.
KillBill is right. We should only allow people who agree with us here.
That's NICE.
Everything should be NICE.
If we all agree, the threads will be much better.
Let's not discuss fascism; let's start in on a "get Karen" angle, ignore whateve she had to say. That shows that, as a girl, she must be stupid -- by definition.
Or, in the alternative, if she is right-on, she must be a guy.
Fags and hags live in such an easy world.
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oh dear is someone pre-menstrual?
rattled your cage by exposing your shoddy 'scholarship'?
Poor old thing!
There we go!
Yup: Girls are incapable of worthy original thought. They have that dirty thing that happens. EEEwwwww.
Faggot.
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you're the one who is trolling and raging, you fuckwit.
I thought you put me on ignore anyway?
Karen Kraft
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You found that in a phrase book and failed to cite to it.
You fucking piece of shit thief. I didn't even have to read what you wrote; right away I could tell you stole it: People like you are only good for stealing other people's words.
Crying over spilt milk? Hard cheese, poor old thing
MILES KINGTON
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CONTINUING our series of easy English phrases for foreigners and tourists, today we bring a cornucopia of interestingly different ways in which the British express regret and sympathy.
Oh.
Oh dear.
Dear oh dear oh dear.
Oh, deary, deary me.
Oh, no]
No, surely not?
Poor you.
Poor old you.
You poor old thing.
You poor old thing, you.
What a shame.
What a bleeding shame.
What a pity.
Oops-a-daisy.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/crying-over-spilt-milk-hard-cheese-poor-old-thing-1456811.html
I provided the citation to the phrase you stole. Just so you will know how to link to pages that actually open. Can you say "open"? Oh well. Good try!
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the links work perfectly well for me and others, it would seem.
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KRCummings
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It's cute when KK gets in a tizzy. He's so touchy sometimes.
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Oh, look!
KRC wants to learn some more about OBAMA !!!!
Thank her for asking me to go over the details again.
When you say that I am not a woman, you are also saying that you want to discuss the idea that Obama is not an American.
Good job !!!!
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What?
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You do not distinguish between a fascist dictatorship and a more conventional right wing dictatorship. Calling Ronald Reagan a fascist is nearly as unfair as calling Barack Obama a fascist. It is sufficient to say that he was a reactionary who tried and failed to diminish the reforms of the New Deal.
Since becoming a political movement in 1979, the religious right has tried and failed to restore the social ethos of the 1950's, minus Jim Crow legislation. At most, the religious right would like to restore Victorian sexual morality, and the status Protestantism once had in the United States as the de facto established religion. There is no chance that it will succeed. To say that the United States was fascist in the nineteenth century, or the 1950's is to stretch the definition of fascism to the point where it lacks value.
Even if we restrict the meaning of Fascism to the Italian dictatorship under Benito Mussolini, the meaning changed over the years, and included contradictory elements.
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The inclusion of the word "socialism" in "National Socialism" can be seen as a cynical effort by Hitler to exploit the popularity of socialism among the German masses he tried to appeal to. In some of his speeches Hitler condemned international finance, or Jewish finance. He never condemned German financiers and industrialists by name, unless they were Jewish. During his rise to power German business men supported him financially. After he came to power he and Joseph Goebbels reassured German business men that the Third Reich had no intention of nationalizing their assets.
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There is a difference between quoting a writer in order to verify a fact presented on one's own argument, and presenting another writer's thoughts as one's own. By quoting George Orwell I pointed out that he sharply distinguished socialism from fascism, that he favored socialism, and that he thought fascism should be violently opposed.
By quoting Hitler I pointed out that he thought socialism and Social Democracy were indistinguishable, and that he hated them.
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oh dear is someone pre-menstrual?
rattled your cage by exposing your shoddy 'scholarship'?
Poor old thing!
Karen Kraft's problem is male menopause.
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Social democracy is a moderate ideology based on socialism, but by equating the two Hitler was only exposing his own ignorance on the subject. He didn't give a damn about socialism except as a pretty phrase to use to draw support for his platform.
It is not fascist because you are confused as to the definition. Fascism is nationalist, authoritarian, totalitarian, militarist, populist, corporatist,* and (to some very limited degree) traditionalist. Nevertheless, nationalism != fascism. Authoritarianism != fascism. Totalitarianism != fascism. (And, more importantly, authoritarianism != totalitarianism -- both Franco and Pinochet illustrate the contrast.) Militarism != fascism. (Franco and Pinochet, again.) Populism != fascism. Corporatism != fascism. Traditionalism very definitely! != fascism. Fascism is a 20th-Century political phenomenon with no parallels in any earlier century. Fascism is part of the romantic tradition in post-Enlightenment European thought and politics; socialism is part of the rationalist tradition (and so are anarchism, Libertarianism and Objectivism, believe it or not); constitutional/legalistic republicanism, the humanist tradition. Here's a good source on all of that.
* In political science, "corporatism" does not mean rule by or in the interests of business corporations, it means a conception of society as an agglomeration of organic/functional sectors politically expressed. This idea figured heavily in Italian Fascism.
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You are not a woman, Karen. A woman is a female human. Unlike many Litsters, I'm convinced you are female -- but not that you are human.
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Apparently some refer to Pinochet's version as "para-fascism" because it is not true fascism, as you've said. Pinochet's version is what some in the right wing would like for America, and have been working towards.
That's because Pinochet's version would be very, very good for established business interests. All other aspects of it are incidental.
