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Old 03-15-2017, 11:42 AM   #1
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How to carry your Colt 1911 semi-auto pistol

Just a quick question for those who carry a firearm. In particular a 1911. I inherited one from my late grandfather. I was told by a friend I was carrying it wrong. Here is how I carry the pistol in the holster. Mag inserted, round chambered, hammer down. I was told it should be mag inserted, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety on. Which way in your opinion is safer or more preferred?
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:22 PM   #2
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Just a quick question for those who carry a firearm. In particular a 1911. I inherited one from my late grandfather. I was told by a friend I was carrying it wrong. Here is how I carry the pistol in the holster. Mag inserted, round chambered, hammer down. I was told it should be mag inserted, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety on. Which way in your opinion is safer or more preferred?
Your friend's suggestion is a good way to shoot your own dick off. It's far too easy to accidently trigger the safety switch while pulling the gun for a novice, especially under stress. Here you can see the result:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEuBXWujeYQ

Second, weapons get dropped, again especially under stress. With hammer cocked and loaded chamber there is a fair chance it shoots something and very unlikely that you hit what you intended.

Actual experts in handling guns prefer the cocked and locked method, yes, your friend is right, but they train to use their weapon regulary and didn't just inherit a gun.

Police wears cocked and locked, military wears locked, hammer down, chamber empty; they don't expect surprise invasions. Personally, I would recommend that you wear it military style, because it's just so fucking easy to remove the mag and forget the round in the chamber.
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Old 03-15-2017, 05:17 PM   #3
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Clean it, oil it, and put it in a safe or display case. Save it as a family heirloom.

Then, if you must carry, get yourself a revolver or modern DA/SA or DAO pistol and learn to use it and carry it in a safe manner.

That would include obtaining a descent level of knowledge concerning firearms and the moral, ethical, and legal consequences of the potential use of deadly force by an armed civilian. Your profile says you live in Arizona and just because you can carry, it doesn't mean that you should.
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:44 AM   #4
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did you get a boner when you strapped it? Did your dick get instantly 10" longer?

How on earth did you get along before before your grandpappy handed over his pee pee gun?

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Old 03-16-2017, 08:00 AM   #5
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Sissy would like to ask a question, why do you carry a pistol?
The answer to this question may not seem important but it does decide how you carry a pistol.
First you should always carry in a holster, this helps protect you and the pistol.
Second, anytime you carry a pistol with a round in the chamber it can go off. The right hit can cause an accidental firing weather the pistol is on safety or hammer down, even a P-38 which has a plate between the hammer and firing pin when on safe.
Unless you really expect trouble the safe way to carry is un-chambered.

This is just the opinion of a sissy, one that has a past life which dealt with such things.
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Old 03-16-2017, 09:18 PM   #6
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The model 1911 Colt or Springfield is designed to be super roughed. It has two safety features that prevent accidental discharging. It has the normal safety button plus a pressure plate located on the grip. When a person grips the grip the heel of their had will depress this plate. If the plate is not depressed but is cocked the trigger can not be engaged. With the gun on safety and cocked, this gun can be thrown down hard on a hard surface and it will not discharge.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:12 AM   #7
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:33 AM   #8
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mag inserted, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety on. is called condition two or cocked and locked, it is a relatively safe method of carry as long as the safety is on and its in good working order,

Their is also condition three full magazine empty chamber, but before carrying it at have a gunsmith check the gun over thoroughly to make sure its in good working order.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:16 AM   #9
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I am not that familiar with that particular firearm but I do carry. The way I carry depends on the firearm and the situation. My smaller semi autos are carried with a round unchambered as there is no safety unless I am in an environment that I consider possibly dangerous. My full sized 9, I carry hiking in the woods alone. I keep a round chambered and the hammer relaxed. If I fall no chance of fireing. The weapon is single or double action so if I point and shoot the weapon is ready with no further interactions from me. The trigger is slightly heavier pull than with hammer back so unlikely to be accidentally discharged on the draw.
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Years ago I dropped in that circumcision was mutilation of infants Ė Oh the wails of complaintÖ but that has changed, today few would raise their heads to criticise that statement today.

So here we have a thread about deluded masculine narcissistic masturbatory fodder for guns yet no one has bitten to my previous post as the troglodytes would have done years ago. I take this as a sign that humanity is evolvingÖ but then you did vote for Trump.

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Old 03-20-2017, 01:15 PM   #11
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OP, I would not carry the .45 unless you needed to. My advice as a reserve deputy would be to keep it at home and unloaded. Preferably in a locked box.
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OP, I would not carry the .45 unless you needed to. My advice as a reserve deputy would be to keep it at home and unloaded. Preferably in a locked box.
I have several 9mm and all have rolling block safeties that take a split second to "Arm". With the safety on you can drive a nail with them,throw on concrete or whatever. Click the lever safety off with the thumb it's your choice of double or single action shooting. I am sure somebody make a .45 like that also.

Something like this...


https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/s...-8045f.154185/
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I carry either a 357 Magnum revolver (preferred), or a Beretta Px4 Storm in 9mm. When carrying revolvers, it's always ready in double action. In semi-auto, same situation, no need to keep the hammer back, no need to keep the safety on.. it is always available in double action.. no extra time, and quite safe.
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Just a quick question for those who carry a firearm. In particular a 1911. I inherited one from my late grandfather. I was told by a friend I was carrying it wrong. Here is how I carry the pistol in the holster. Mag inserted, round chambered, hammer down. I was told it should be mag inserted, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety on. Which way in your opinion is safer or more preferred?
A colt 1911 is a fine weapon, but what you have, (as UnderMyKilt pointed out), is an heirloom, and while you can buy a new style colt 1911, you canít buy an heirloom. As pointed out, put it in a safe place and buy a modern 9mm, with hollow point ammo. A reliable 9mm, (using good ammo), will in most real-life situations, stop anything a 45 will. Also as a defensive weapon, a 1911 has some flaws. In my opinion, itís too big, too heavy and not terribly accurate. (It doesnít have a fixed barrel) Keep in mind, a 1911 was designed to be used in war as an offensive weapon, and in a defensive situation, you need a handgun that is easier to handle.

As far as these people who tell you to leave it at home and go unprotected? There are three kinds of people in the world, predators, victims and people who defend themselves. You decide which you want to be. And as far as calling a cop when some thug has a gun stuck in your face trying to rob you, donít waste your time calling a cop, call the coroner instead, to haul your dead body away. By circumstance, a copís job is to clean up the mess after you have been attacked, not to protect you before the attack. If you unwilling to protect yourself, donít expect anyone else to.

If you are really concerned about defending yourself in a critical situation, (you asked about carrying a weapon with the hammer cocked), you might look into a double action revolver. It has a fixed barrel, and you donít have to worry about whether or not you have the safety on. All you have to do is point and pull the trigger. True, most revolvers carry only 5 or 6 rounds, but if you canít stop an attacker with 6 shots, youíre probably fucked anyway.
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Carrying an older 1911 with the hammer down on a loaded chamber is dangerous, as there is nothing to stop it from activating the firing pin if the gun is dropped. This has been fixed in more modern models.

The 1911 was designed to be carried with a full mag, a round in the chamber with the hammer cocked and the thumb safety on. It takes 3 actions to make the gun shoot - the thumb safety must be turned off, the grip safety must be squeezed, and the trigger must be pulled.

When I was in the military, we carried Israeli style in the US, with the hammer down on an empty chamber, so you have to rack the slide to shoot.
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Loaded!!!

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Your friend's suggestion is a good way to shoot your own dick off. It's far too easy to accidently trigger the safety switch while pulling the gun for a novice, especially under stress. Here you can see the result:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEuBXWujeYQ
That video was a guy doing speed drills. He was NOT a novice, he left the video up to be an example of not becoming complacent about firearm safety.

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To the OP:
Your friend is suggesting "Condition 1" carry. Which is how the 1911 was designed to be carried. If you do not want to have the hammer cocked, carry with an EMPTY chamber. (Although this will require cocking the gun, when you need it most and time is EXTREMELY limited, and you are stressed, and under lethal attack.)

I would suggest parking "Grandpa's gun" at home and purchasing an alternate firearm for carry. If you ever need to deploy it in self defense, it is VERY likely to be confiscated by police while they do their investigation. It will be stored in an evidence locker, it will very likely get scratched, it may rust, it will probably be a LONG time before you get it back.

Perhaps a sex-forum is not the best place to ask these questions.
I tend to go to TheHighRoad.org when I have firearm questions.

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