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11-30-2009, 02:07 AM
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The difference between Libertarian and "Litbertarian"
Exhibit "A": Fiscal year 2009 spending
The Libertarian Cato Institute:
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I’m a big fan of criticizing Obama’s profligacy, but it is inaccurate and/or dishonest to blame him for Bush’s mistakes...the 2009 fiscal year began on October 1, 2008, and the vast majority of the spending for that year was the result of Bush Administration policies. Yes, Obama did add to the waste with the so-called stimulus, the omnibus appropriation, the CHIP bill, and the cash-for-clunkers nonsense, but as the chart illustrates, these boondoggles only amounted to just a tiny percentage of the FY2009 total – about $140 billion out of a $3.5 trillion budget.
...Let’s use an analogy. Obama’s FY2009 performance is like a relief pitcher who enters a game in the fourth inning trailing 19-0 and allows another run to score. The extra run is nothing to cheer about, of course, but fans should be far more angry with the starting pitcher.
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Contrast the above to the typical "Litbertarian" rhetoric that regularly appears on this site:
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The head clown has quadrupled Bush's deficit in the first year and admitted no positive job growth until, at the soonest, 2010. After spending 3.5 trillion in stimulus and no result he ought to be impeached.
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11-30-2009, 02:32 AM
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Hmm I do not think I have seen vette consider himself a Libertarian, but maybe I missed that somewhere.
At any rate, as far as Libertarianism is concerned, there is an interesting write-up on the fracture of the party. From what I understand, Libertarians are very unhappy with the spending and size of government in general, and commonly rail against big-government conservatives as well as big-government liberals.
Then again, I am not an expert on Libertarianism, but from what I understand, are there different types of Libertarians regarding fiscal policy like the foreign policy? |
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11-30-2009, 02:35 AM
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Hmm I do not think I have seen vette consider himself a Libertarian, but maybe I missed that somewhere.
At any rate, as far as Libertarianism is concerned, there is an interesting write-up on the fracture of the party. From what I understand, Libertarians are very unhappy with the spending and size of government in general, and commonly rail against big-government conservatives as well as big-government liberals.
Then again, I am not an expert on Libertarianism, but from what I understand, are there different types of Libertarians regarding fiscal policy like the foreign policy? |
yep. speaking to someone close to me who is Libertarian, he'd say this is pretty spot on. As far as the party, it has become a bit fractured because of disagreements and ideals. |
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11-30-2009, 02:38 AM
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yep. speaking to someone close to me who is Libertarian, he'd say this is pretty spot on. As far as the party, it has become a bit fractured because of disagreements and ideals.
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Hmm, because I do regularly see self-proclaimed Libertarians being labeled Republicans because of the pro-war stance and defense of well-known Republicans and Republican ideas. Most if not all Libertarians I know of are very anti-Obama on the fiscal side. However, the split of the RNC and reformers looking to clean up the party tend to get support of self-proclaimed Libertarians here.
I am not here to say they are right or wrong. They have their viewpoint, and that is alright with me. I am just confused as to where the loyalties lie if any at all. |
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11-30-2009, 02:40 AM
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it is always easier to point a finger and scream failure.
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11-30-2009, 02:44 AM
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I am just confused as to where the loyalties lie if any at all.
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As far as I can tell, the basic Libertarian loyalty is to one's own self, provided whatever you do doesn't interfere with same in others.
Kinda like the Wicca creed: "An it do no harm, do as ye will."
A bit like Aleister Crowley, too, now that I think of it: "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." |
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11-30-2009, 02:45 AM
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As far as I can tell, the basic Libertarian loyalty is to one's own self, provided whatever you do doesn't interfere with same in others.
Kinda like the Wicca creed: "An it do no harm, do as ye will."
A bit like Aleister Crowley, too, now that I think of it: "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
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So if it is about individuality, then is it more about personal convictions rather than party-line politics, therefore a larger tent with more diverse views? |
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11-30-2009, 02:48 AM
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So if it is about individuality, then is it more about personal convictions rather than party-line politics, therefore a larger tent with more diverse views?
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then there is Joe
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11-30-2009, 02:49 AM
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then there is Joe
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11-30-2009, 02:50 AM
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...the Plumber? |
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11-30-2009, 02:51 AM
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Yeah, he marches to his own drum for sure. |
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11-30-2009, 02:52 AM
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As far as I can tell, the basic Libertarian loyalty is to one's own self, provided whatever you do doesn't interfere with same in others.
Kinda like the Wicca creed: "An it do no harm, do as ye will."
A bit like Aleister Crowley, too, now that I think of it: "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
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So, basically, you're saying...if I joined the Libertarian Party, I could have sex with all the gorgeous, bodacious, voluptuous, big-titted women I could ever want and meet? 
Now THAT'S the kinda party and government I've been looking for all my life! Where do I sign up?  |
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11-30-2009, 02:54 AM
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So, basically, you're saying...if I joined the Libertarian Party, I could have sex with all the gorgeous, bodacious, voluptuous, big-titted women I could ever want and meet?
Now THAT'S the kinda party and government I've been looking for all my life! Where do I sign up? |
From what I understand, Libertarians do not care who you fuck as long as it does not harm somebody else and/or property. |
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11-30-2009, 02:56 AM
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11-30-2009, 02:58 AM
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The anti-capitalist Libertarian is interesting. I assumed Libertarians were all in agreement in capitalism. Hmmm.
Last edited by Wok : 11-30-2009 at 03:24 AM.
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11-30-2009, 02:59 AM
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So if it is about individuality, then is it more about personal convictions rather than party-line politics, therefore a larger tent with more diverse views?
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I couldn't tell you that. Generally, Libertarians seem to be on the same page to me.
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So, basically, you're saying...if I joined the Libertarian Party, I could have sex with all the gorgeous, bodacious, voluptuous, big-titted women I could ever want and meet?
Now THAT'S the kinda party and government I've been looking for all my life! Where do I sign up? |
I think that's allowed in any party. |
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11-30-2009, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RobDownSouth
Exhibit "A": Fiscal year 2009 spending
The Libertarian Cato Institute:
Contrast the above to the typical "Litbertarian" rhetoric that regularly appears on this site:
A "Litbertarian" is a Republican too cowardly to admit that a Republican has made a mistake. |
This thread should be stickied. |
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11-30-2009, 12:16 PM
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11-30-2009, 12:16 PM
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11-30-2009, 12:21 PM
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A "Libertarian" is a Republican who smokes pot.
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The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
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11-30-2009, 12:22 PM
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A "Libertarian" is a Republican who smokes pot.
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Thanks for the deep insight. |
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11-30-2009, 12:23 PM
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Just wondering if anyone who self-identifies as Libertarian would have any comment.
I miss Gringao. |
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11-30-2009, 12:24 PM
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Just wondering if anyone who self-identifies as Libertarian would have any comment.
I miss Gringao.
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I miss him too, actually. One day, he just stopped posting.
I liked his quick witted, dry humor. Pretty sharp too. |
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11-30-2009, 12:26 PM
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I miss him too, actually. One day, he just stopped posting.
I liked his quick witted, dry humor. Pretty sharp too.
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Yup. He was a great asset, even if we disagreed a lot. |
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11-30-2009, 12:30 PM
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Comment on what?
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