Monkey-shines

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Remember the days when Dubya was depicted as a chimp?

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscart...s/knin305l.jpg

The Usual Suspects' and Google's panties are twisted because Michelle Obama's image has been Photoshopped to look like...a monkey.

One of you Kool Aid Drinkers explain to me why the one is okay and the other isnt.

[Stella_Omega]

Go ask your mommy. She's the only adult that has the time for your five-year-old questions.

[sr71plt]

No I don't remember all that many folks being pleased the Bush was depicted this way either. In either case it's apples and rudabagas. Bush ran for and was elected to the job and thus volunteered to be cartoonized. Michelle Obama didn't. The targets aren't of the same accessibility, and the reputable press understands that. Beyond that, it's the symbolism. Monkeys have historically been connected with blacks (by racists whites, of course). The implication for a white subject isn't anything near the same. It's political hacks, ideologues, and racists who would engage in this. Which one do you volunteer as being, JBJ?

So, how far would you be willing to go with this. OK to do this with Obama's daughters and mother-in-law too? I'm sure there are folks quite willing to spin it out that far to vent their hatred.

[DesertPirate]

I thought Biden in a big yellow hat chasing Curious Barak was funny.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Ooooo, I touched a nerve. Lemme jab it again!

[DesertPirate]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

Ooooo, I touched a nerve. Lemme jab it again!

Let me sharpen that needle.

[Dragonlipz]

Originally Posted by DesertPirate

Let me sharpen that needle.

Thanks for more sick, sad, myopic, racist crap.....I knew I could count on you guys.....Teabags, anyone?????

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

Ooooo, I touched a nerve. Lemme jab it again!

Rather than give a substantive response to my posting, JBJ? You're slipping. I was just about to tell Lance that he needed to study up on you on the artful backbite and here you just fizzled out into Internet chat room cliched backbiting.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Originally Posted by Dragonlipz

Thanks for more sick, sad, myopic, racist crap.....I knew I could count on you guys.....Teabags, anyone?????

We're doing a little accupuncture for medicinal purposes.

[Dragonlipz]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

We're doing a little accupuncture for medicinal purposes.

You and the rest of the Usual Suspects keep them teabags handy.....you'll need em after you run out of ammo.................

[cloudy]

Originally Posted by DesertPirate

I thought Biden in a big yellow hat chasing Curious Barak was funny.

Of course you did.

You and Box both don't understand the cool icon. You both use it just before you say the most fucked up things.

[bronzeage]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

Remember the days when Dubya was depicted as a chimp?

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscart...s/knin305l.jpg

The Usual Suspects' and Google's panties are twisted because Michelle Obama's image has been Photoshopped to look like...a monkey.

One of you Kool Aid Drinkers explain to me why the one is okay and the other isnt.

Either both are okay, or neither is okay.

What difference does it make?

Did someone pass a law requiring us to protest things that don't bother us?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Since when is a coon a monkey?

[Pure]

yes, depicting Dubya, or depicting Obama as a monkey is similar: it's hostile and/or satirical.

that said, since a proportion of Americans think Blacks are close to monkeys, and Whites --esp old rich ones, like the Bushes--closer to angels, the impact of such pictures is vastly different. and indeed, no small proportion of the far right would be just as happy to see Obama assassinated-- wasn't there a Fox thing about shooting a chimp, iirc.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Originally Posted by Pure

yes, depicting Dubya, or depicting Obama as a monkey is similar: it's hostile and/or satirical.

that said, since a proportion of Americans think Blacks are close to monkeys, and Whites --esp old rich ones, like the Bushes--closer to angels, the impact of such pictures is vastly different. and indeed, no small proportion of the far right would be just as happy to see Obama assassinated-- wasn't there a Fox thing about shooting a chimp, iirc.

Blacks and Usual Suspects seem to have all the bases covered.

[TE999]

I recall several editorial cartoons depicting Condoleeza Rice as both a monkey and a parrot in minstrel black face. No one said boo about those racist depictions because she was a member of the Bush administration.

Utter hypocrisy.

[cloudy]

Originally Posted by TE999

I recall several editorial cartoons depicting Condoleeza Rice as both a monkey and a parrot in minstrel black face. No one said boo about those racist depictions because she was a member of the Bush administration.

Utter hypocrisy.

If I'd seen it, I'd have said something. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that, so no...not hypocrisy.

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by TE999

I recall several editorial cartoons depicting Condoleeza Rice as both a monkey and a parrot in minstrel black face. No one said boo about those racist depictions because she was a member of the Bush administration.

Utter hypocrisy.

I agree with Cloudy. I wouldn't think that was appropriate to do at all. I didn't see it. And I see no evidence that you did either. So, no guilt here for not reacting to something I didn't know about--and quite possibly never existed.

I've already said I didn't agree with depicting Bush as a monkey--and I did comment on it when it came up here.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by cloudy

If I'd seen it, I'd have said something. I don't recall ever seeing anything like that, so no...not hypocrisy.

It was out there, believe me. And just because you've never seen it, it was and is still hypocrisy. Any black person who is in the least bit conservative in thinking is vilified not only by the liberal leaning media but by their own people no matter the level of their accomplishment. Hypocrisy.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by sr71plt

I agree with Cloudy. I wouldn't think that was appropriate to do at all. I didn't see it. And I see no evidence that you did either. So, no guilt here for not reacting to something I didn't know about--and quite possibly never existed.

I've already said I didn't agree with depicting Bush as a monkey--and I did comment on it when it came up here.

It was out there. I saw it. I didn't like it. As far as proving anything to you, why should I? Do you consider yourself the final arbiter of such things? Get real. Better look for that valve in your neck and deflate your head.

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by TE999

It was out there, believe me. And just because you've never seen it, it was and is still hypocrisy. Any black person who is in the least bit conservative in thinking is vilified not only by the liberal leaning media but by their own people no matter the level of their accomplishment. Hypocrisy.

Even if it was out there, how do you just zip to the conclusion that folks here, on a porn board, knew about it and ignored it because they approved? That's one hell of a leap. Convenient for what you want to believe to keep your dogmatic boilers stoked, perhaps, but a hell of a leap anyway.

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by TE999

It was out there. I saw it. I didn't like it. As far as proving anything to you, why should I? Do you consider yourself the final arbiter of such things? Get real. Better look for that valve in your neck and deflate your head.

No, but I think you have one hell of an imagination to know what I knew whenever and didn't do/say about it in some mythical past of yours.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by sr71plt

Even if it was out there, how do you just zip to the conclusion that folks here, on a porn board, knew about it and ignored it because they approved? That's one hell of a leap. Convenient for what you want to believe to keep your dogmatic boilers stoked, perhaps, but a hell of a leap anyway.

Let's see if I have this straight. Because you and others here didn't see it, it doesn't exist but if it did and you saw it you wouldn't like it. That is some leap of logic. And how do you know what I believe? Are you a mind reader? Oh, I know, you made an assumption. Naughty, naughty.

Originally Posted by sr71plt

No, but I think you have one hell of an imagination to know what I knew whenever and didn't do/say about it in some mythical past of yours.

I bet you can't say that three times fast. You're starting to babble. Take a deep breath and a Valium

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by TE999

Let's see if I have this straight. Because you and others here didn't see it, it doesn't exist but if it did and you saw it you wouldn't like it. That is some leap of logic. And how do you know what I believe? Are you a mind reader? Oh, I know, you made an assumption. Naughty, naughty.





I bet you can't say that three times fast. You're starting to babble. Take a deep breath and a Valium

Well, no. It's more that you took a half remembered something and asserted that some of us here were scumbags for not having done anything about it at the time--or so you assume.

I'll let you have firsties on the valium.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by sr71plt

Well, no. It's more that you took a half remembered something and asserted that some of us here were scumbags for not having done anything about it at the time--or so you assume.

I'll let you have firsties on the valium.

Where exactly are you getting all this? I said none of those things. Have you read this entire thread at all? Have you read what I wrote up there? You are seriously not making any sense. In fact you're getting positively irrational.

Actually, your responses are becoming amusing. Thanks for the chuckles.