Obamacare

[Songcatcher]

Bail outs for insureance companies.

Get the picture?

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by Songcatcher

Bail outs for insureance companies.

Get the picture?

A what company? I'm sorry but we don't have that in America.

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

A what company? I'm sorry but we don't have that in America.

I'n surea we due.

[cubbies]

I'm undecided if I like this bill or not. If it costs me more money, I am against it. Can someone clearly explain what it will do to me.

Me: Six figure household (thank you wifey). No kids (thank you vasectomy). I am personally uninsured covered under my wife's plan (again thank you wifey, I love you) and she has a Cadillac plan. We use NONE of it. We are rarely sick, have no recurring prescriptions and are relatively healthy. However, we would be covered if the worst happened.

What does this bill mean to ME?

If I listen to the right, I hear, "Blah, blah, blah, Hitler, blah, blah, blah." If I listen to the left, "Blah, blah, blah, Messiah, blah, blah, blah."

All I want to know is will my piece of the pie still have whipped cream?

[cubbies]

Bump? Serious question was serious.

[Songcatcher]

Originally Posted by cubbies

Bump? Serious question was serious.

The bill has passed the house. It will pass the senate. Rupert Murdock is lying to you.

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by cubbies

I'm undecided if I like this bill or not. If it costs me more money, I am against it. Can someone clearly explain what it will do to me.

Me: Six figure household (thank you wifey). No kids (thank you vasectomy). I am personally uninsured covered under my wife's plan (again thank you wifey, I love you) and she has a Cadillac plan. We use NONE of it. We are rarely sick, have no recurring prescriptions and are relatively healthy. However, we would be covered if the worst happened.

What does this bill mean to ME?

If I listen to the right, I hear, "Blah, blah, blah, Hitler, blah, blah, blah." If I listen to the left, "Blah, blah, blah, Messiah, blah, blah, blah."

All I want to know is will my piece of the pie still have whipped cream?

1. Bill not going to pass.

2. If 1. is untrue, Supreme Court will decide it's unconstitutional because it forces people to buy stuff. Not one of the enumerated powers.

3. Pretending it makes it (which it won't), you will have to buy a plan. If you don't buy a plan, you will be fined. However, the fine will be substantially less than the premium, so you will opt to pay the fine (read: tax). Many healthy people will pay the fine (read: tax) rather than buy something they don't want or need; that, plus the clip-job on Medicare will pay some of the cost of the plan.

THEREFORE......

You will pay a tax or buy a plan. The end.

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by Songcatcher

The bill has passed the house. It will pass the senate. Rupert Murdock is lying to you.

I know it passed the House. I'll concede your prediction about the Senate. Don't care about Murdock. Still doesn't answer my question.

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by Karen Kraft

1. Bill not going to pass.

2. If 1. is untrue, Supreme Court will decide it's unconstitutional because it forces people to buy stuff. Not one of the enumerated powers.

3. Pretending it makes it (which it won't), you will have to buy a plan. If you don't buy a plan, you will be fined. However, the fine will be substantially less than the premium, so you will opt to pay the fine (read: tax). Many healthy people will pay the fine (read: tax) rather than buy something they don't want or need; that, plus the clip-job on Medicare will pay some of the cost of the plan.

THEREFORE......

You will pay a tax or buy a plan. The end.

1. We'll see. I tend to hope you are right.

2. I know it is a horrible analogy but in California, if we want to operate a vehicle, we are legally required to insure it. Isn't that forcing us to buy stuff?

3. Would I really be forced to buy a plan if I already have one?

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by cubbies

1. We'll see. I tend to hope you are right.

2. I know it is a horrible analogy but in California, if we want to operate a vehicle, we are legally required to insure it. Isn't that forcing us to buy stuff?

3. Would I really be forced to buy a plan if I already have one?

Hold on there, cowboy.

You do NOT have to buy car insurance in California. You don't even have to get a drivers license. Like the maid and the poorly made, you can always take the bus, presuming punctuality doesn't matter in your life.

No, if you already have a plan, you needn't buy a plan.

[MechaBlade]

Originally Posted by cubbies

Bump? Serious question was serious.

None of his threads are serious.

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by MechaBlade

None of his threads are serious.

Dude, not my thread. And uncalled for, might be true but still uncalled for.

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by cubbies

Dude, not my thread. And uncalled for, might be true but still uncalled for.

The "his" was Songcatcher I thought.

Chill. It's going to be okay.

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by Karen Kraft

The "his" was Songcatcher I thought.

Chill. It's going to be okay.

Oh. In that case, carry on.

[Karen Kraft]

Originally Posted by cubbies

Oh. In that case, carry on.

We have.

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by Karen Kraft

We have.

As if.

[Karen Kraft]

So.....

You have your answer about the plan, right?

Any other questions?

[cubbies]

Originally Posted by Karen Kraft

So.....

You have your answer about the plan, right?

Any other questions?

What is it going to do to my personal bottom line? I am selfish and that is all I really care about.

[off2bed]

Who pays the premiums for wifey's Cadillac plan? Her? Her employer? Both?

If the government insurance is cheaper, why would her employer keep offering the expensive stuff when there's a cheaper alternative? Especially considering the surtaxes and penalties involved.

Let's say her employer kept the expensive coverage, and all their competitors dropped private insurance for the government insurance. Wifey's company might think they offer better benefits to employees, but if the other companies can afford to pay people more because the insurance is cheaper, is that really a benefit?

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

This summer, just when the health-care debate grew sour, Big Pharma struck a sweet deal. Or so they thought. By agreeing to pony up $80 billion to support Obamacare, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, assumed that they dodged a bullet. Ladle the Democrats some cash now, they reckoned, and maybe they could avoid some big bills later.

Part of PhRMA’s handshake with the White House and Senate Democrats included the protection of a provision that prohibits Medicare from negotiating with drug companies for lower prices. The health-care bill that finally emerged from the Senate Finance Committee last month nodded toward that agreement. All, it seemed, was well.

Yet, while they palled around with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and Senate Finance Committee chair Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mont.) in the back rooms of Washington, PhRMA forgot about one thing: the House of Representatives. Now, after having left House Speaker Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) on the sidelines, PhRMA is realizing that, deal or no deal, they may still lose.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...dmZTc0MjJhMjE=

[ouchfeelsgood]

Originally Posted by Karen Kraft

1. Bill not going to pass.

2. If 1. is untrue, Supreme Court will decide it's unconstitutional because it forces people to buy stuff. Not one of the enumerated powers.

3. Pretending it makes it (which it won't), you will have to buy a plan. If you don't buy a plan, you will be fined. However, the fine will be substantially less than the premium, so you will opt to pay the fine (read: tax). Many healthy people will pay the fine (read: tax) rather than buy something they don't want or need; that, plus the clip-job on Medicare will pay some of the cost of the plan.

THEREFORE......

You will pay a tax or buy a plan. The end.

If you want to drive a car in this country, you must buy auto insurance. A similar concept could certainly be applied to health insurance.

Btw, most western countries have some form of government subsidized medical plan, and according to the majority of studies, their healthcare is no worse than in the U.S. In fact, the U.S. is way down the list of countries in many categories of deliverable healthcare.

If we could spend trillions of dollars on far-flung wars and bailing out greedy bankers -- not to mention all varieties of "pork" projects in every State -- we can certainly afford to guarantee affordable healthcare to our own citizens.

[mark_j]

Originally Posted by ouchfeelsgood

If you want to drive a car in this country, you must buy auto insurance. A similar concept could certainly be applied to health insurance.

Problem is that you have the choice in regard to driving a car. You don't have to have a car, a drivers license, or insurance for that car you don't have. If you live in a place where you can make this work, having a car is a CHOICE.

There is no requirement to own any of the above.

[Slowlane]

Originally Posted by ouchfeelsgood

If you want to drive a car in this country, you must buy auto insurance. A similar concept could certainly be applied to health insurance.

Any comparison between the car insurance required in most states and health insurance is invalid.

[Slowlane]

Originally Posted by cubbies

2. I know it is a horrible analogy but in California, if we want to operate a vehicle, we are legally required to insure it. Isn't that forcing us to buy stuff?

Yes, you are being forced to buy stuff. unless, of course, you chose to walk to work naked.

If you chose to drive a car you are also forced to buy seat belts and air bags, among other things. If you choose to live in a modern home you are forced to buy Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters smoke detectors, among other things.

Should we be forced to buy any of it, including health care? No!

The insurance required for your car is quite different that the other items and should be required. You shouldn't be forced to protect your self. The usually required (by law) auto insurance is for the other guy, not yourself.