N.o 2005

[chipbutty]

New Orleans

1800 people died


is that figure true?
it's the one they gave out on a programme I'm listening to.

I knew many perished, but didn't know it was that many

[Sonny Limatina]

Originally Posted by chipbutty

New Orleans

1800 people died


is that figure true?
it's the one they gave out on a programme I'm listening to.

I knew many perished, but didn't know it was that many

Chip--yes. I've often called people out on this. We fetishize (properly) the date of the 2001 terrorist attacks, know the number of the dead down to the ones position. But that was (arguably) unpreventable. Here's an event we LET happen, let these people die, and 19 out 20 people--hell, 99 out of 100--can't even tell you the date it happened or how many people died.

By the way, some quarter million people lost their homes that day as well...

[tinylittlegnat]

I live just north of New Orleans and it was bad. I lost my house and lived in a FEMA trailer.

Any thing specific you want to know.

[TurdFergeson]

I don't know if we "let them die".

Most CHOSE to stay behind. They had ample warning to escape.

[Sonny Limatina]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

I don't know if we "let them die".

Most CHOSE to stay behind. They had ample warning to escape.

Turd. Please. Warning but no way to do so. No buses, no routes. No choice.

We killed them.

You need to read up on this one first. Or talk to Gnat.

[SuprSalor]

Yep. And that Grand Old Party, you know, the ones who can do no wrong and are humanities only hope for survival failed to implement devices which could have prevented such widespread death and destruction (nothing could have prevented ALL) and failed miserably in the aftermaths relief efforts.

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by John_W_Booth

I'm glad they died since it was 99% niggers anyway! The 9th ward was flushed away just like shit in the toilet.

Funny you say that. There is a conspiracy about the 9th ward levi being blow up to save the rich part of the city.It was done before back in the fifties.

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by flat5ive

Turd. Please. Warning but no way to do so. No buses, no routes. No choice.

We killed them.

You need to read up on this one first. Or talk to Gnat.

N.O. had a population in 2000 of 484,674 people. (Census data)

Obviously the vast majority were able to escape.

I don't know how you would go about saving the few thousand that either didn't want to leave, or simply had no way out.

Saying "we killed them" is extreme.

[Sonny Limatina]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

Funny you say that. There is a conspiracy about the 9th ward levi being blow up to save the rich part of the city.It was done before back in the fifties.

Yes--and of course, that's why the ninth is among the poor districts. The lower the elevation, the lower the rent.

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

N.O. had a population in 2000 of 484,674 people. (Census data)

Obviously the vast majority were able to escape.

I don't know how you would go about saving the few thousand that either didn't want to leave, or simply had no way out.

Saying "we killed them" is extreme.

Wrong turd. Many stayed and survived. New Orleans is kinda like new york in the sense that most don't drive cars and use public transportation for everything.

[bronzeage]

Originally Posted by chipbutty

New Orleans

1800 people died


is that figure true?
it's the one they gave out on a programme I'm listening to.

I knew many perished, but didn't know it was that many

It is fairly accurate, based on the number of bodies found after the fact.

There are many reasons people did not leave. If the levee had held the flooding would have been minor. The rising water trapped people in houses and caught people trying to wade through the streets. A lot of them were elderly or disabled.

Down river from New Orleans, the levee held. The flooding there was caused by a tidal wave which was about a quarter mile long and at least 20 feet higher than the levee. It poured water over the levee faster than a breech.

Once the levee broke, the city was uninhabitable.

[Sonny Limatina]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

N.O. had a population in 2000 of 484,674 people. (Census data)

Obviously the vast majority were able to escape.

I don't know how you would go about saving the few thousand that either didn't want to leave, or simply had no way out.

Saying "we killed them" is extreme.

There were buses parked in parking lots two miles outside of town, with drivers waiting to be deployed.

No one gave the order.

NO did not flood from the hurricane--it missed the city. It flooded the next day, when the levies broke. There was plenty of time to declare emergency, get the people the hell out of there.

We didn't.

This is not Monday Morning quarterbacking, this was a MASSIVE fuck-up, that people want to pretend was OK.

It wasn't.

The quarter million does not include only those in the city, by the way. (Nor do the deaths.)

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

Wrong turd. Many stayed and survived. New Orleans is kinda like new york in the sense that most don't drive cars and use public transportation for everything.

Wrong about what?

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by flat5ive

There were buses parked in parking lots two miles outside of town, with drivers waiting to be deployed.

No one gave the order.

NO did not flood from the hurricane--it missed the city. It flooded the next day, when the levies broke. There was plenty of time to declare emergency, get the people the hell out of there.

We didn't.

This is not Monday Morning quarterbacking, this was a MASSIVE fuck-up, that people want to pretend was OK.

It wasn't.

The quarter million does not include only those in the city, by the way. (Nor do the deaths.)

Of course it was a major fuck up, look at the thousands of FEMA homes that are sitting in fields growing mold to this day.

But to say "we killed them" means it was intentional. I don't believe that.

There simply were not thousands of people waiting to be picked up by buses, but the buses never came.

That happened after the flooding, when all escape routes were underwater.

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

Wrong about what?

You were saying the vast majority were able to escape. The vast majority could not. The vast majority had no where to go, no way to get there, and no way to pay for it.

[Sonny Limatina]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

Of course it was a major fuck up, look at the thousands of FEMA homes that are sitting in fields growing mold to this day.

But to say "we killed them" means it was intentional. I don't believe that.

There simply were not thousands of people waiting to be picked up by buses, but the buses never came.

That happened after the flooding, when all escape routes were underwater.

...the escape routes that those with cars had already traveled.

By the way...no, they weren't. Again, read up on this one. Reporters were driving into the city saying, "We've heard the roads were underwater but we've been able to enter the city with very little trouble."

Negligent homicide is still homicide. We left them because they were poor and black. We said, "get out," but didn't notice that they couldn't.

We sucked.

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

You were saying the vast majority were able to escape. The vast majority could not. The vast majority had no where to go, no way to get there, and no way to pay for it.

That's incorrect.

"By the time Hurricane Katrina came ashore early the next morning, Mayor Nagin estimated that approximately one million people had fled the city and its surrounding suburbs.[17] By the evening of August 28, over 100,000 people remained in the city,"

10% is not a vast majority.

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

Of course it was a major fuck up, look at the thousands of FEMA homes that are sitting in fields growing mold to this day.

But to say "we killed them" means it was intentional. I don't believe that.

There simply were not thousands of people waiting to be picked up by buses, but the buses never came.

That happened after the flooding, when all escape routes were underwater.

No turd they were waiting to get picked up before the storm hit. I saw it live. I lived through it. My house got 5 feet of water in it. People could not evacuate before hand or after. And we had to wait several days to get back into the city after the storm had left.

[tinylittlegnat]

Originally Posted by TurdFergeson

That's incorrect.

"By the time Hurricane Katrina came ashore early the next morning, Mayor Nagin estimated that approximately one million people had fled the city and its surrounding suburbs.[17] By the evening of August 28, over 100,000 people remained in the city,"

10% is not a vast majority.

There was many more than 10k in the city. The superdome had several thousand in it.

That isnt including the other areas hit hard. Like Slidell, Covington, Metarie, Biloxi, Pearl river, Mandeville, Madisonville and other areas.

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

There was many more than 10k in the city. The superdome had several thousand in it.

That isnt including the other areas hit hard. Like Slidell, Covington, Metarie, Biloxi, Pearl river, Mandeville, Madisonville and other areas.

?

" By the evening of August 28, over 100,000 people remained in the city, with 20,000 taking shelter at the Louisiana Superdome, "

[bronzeage]

This shit has been hashed over a million times over the past 4 years.

All the brilliant hindsight ideas stub their toe on one simple fact. There never were resources to safely evacuate the city, even if plans were in place.

This was not the worst case scenario. It was the 2nd of 3rd worst case. No one could afford a first or worst case plan.

[JackAssJim]

I lived along the gulf coast from Bay St. Louis to P'cola for 10 years of my military duty. I went back after Ivan and Katrina. I hardly knew where I was driving along highway 90. Unreal.

[chipbutty]

Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat

I live just north of New Orleans and it was bad. I lost my house and lived in a FEMA trailer.

Any thing specific you want to know.

I watched a lot of the coverage shown here but that came days after the event. It was shocking, unbelievable in this day and age, how slow the response was and then its inadequacy. But although they mentioned dead bodies in the water etc ... , nothing much was ever shown of those except one clip over and over of one man face down in the water and bloated.
The programme they're running shows that even now lots of the houses are still boarded up even though being lived in, and that families there have nowhere else to go. I would imagine, like anywhere, some areas are far worse than others, and some totally abandoned altogether.

Originally Posted by flat5ive

Chip--yes. I've often called people out on this. We fetishize (properly) the date of the 2001 terrorist attacks, know the number of the dead down to the ones position. But that was (arguably) unpreventable. Here's an event we LET happen, let these people die, and 19 out 20 people--hell, 99 out of 100--can't even tell you the date it happened or how many people died.

By the way, some quarter million people lost their homes that day as well...

it is an enormous tragedy - so many deaths. the lack of import placed on this event over time reminds me a bit of the European heatwave of 2003 where 14,802 died in France alone during a period of about a week. Very little of that seemed to get airtime on our national news.

[sereneone4u]

Originally Posted by flat5ive

Turd. Please. Warning but no way to do so. No buses, no routes. No choice.

We killed them.

You need to read up on this one first. Or talk to Gnat.

Exactly!

I went to high school on the gulf coast, we always used to say one good hurricane and NOLA would be devastated and nothing was ever done.

It is beyond ignorance to state they were warned and chose not to leave. Many did not have the means. I remember being a single divorced mom and only having the means through my parents to escape when bad enough hurricanes came through.

[TurdFergeson]

Originally Posted by sereneone4u

Exactly!

I went to high school on the gulf coast, we always used to say one good hurricane and NOLA would be devastated and nothing was ever done.

It is beyond ignorance to state they were warned and chose not to leave. Many did not have the means. I remember being a single divorced mom and only having the means through my parents to escape when bad enough hurricanes came through.

it is beyond extreme to say "we purposely killed them because they were poor and black".

Also, you're wrong:

"Although Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city, many people refused to leave, which a CNN writer described as "gambling with their own lives."[14] Reasons were numerous, including a belief that their homes or the buildings in which they planned to stay offered sufficient protection, lack of financial resources or access to transportation, or a feeling of obligation to protect their property. These reasons were complicated by the fact that an evacuation the previous year for Hurricane Ivan had resulted in the illnesses of many elderly people since cars were stalled in traffic for six to ten hours. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects...in_New_Orleans


The simple fact remains that over 1 million people did somehow manage to esacpe, while ~10% or 100,000 remained.

What would you have done?