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11-09-2009, 01:16 PM
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A question for all my former military friends
The Fort Hood shooter is awake. His family is insisting he not be interrogated until he has a lawyer present. My questions are as follows.
1) Can they legally interrogate him without a lawyer as he is an active duty soldier or do different rules apply?
2) How long before he is waterboarded?
3) What is a military interrogation like?
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11-09-2009, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat
The Fort Hood shooter is awake. His family is insisting he not be interrogated until he has a lawyer present. My questions are as follows.
1) Can they legally interrogate him without a lawyer as he is an active duty soldier or do different rules apply?
2) How long before he is waterboarded?
3) What is a military interrogation like?
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is there any point in waterboarding him?
I mean, if he was a sleeper then he would have been in a position to do some serious damage. I can't see a terrorist cell wasting an asset like that on a gun rampage. |
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11-09-2009, 01:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat
The Fort Hood shooter is awake. His family is insisting he not be interrogated until he has a lawyer present. My questions are as follows.
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Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat
1) Can they legally interrogate him without a lawyer as he is an active duty soldier or do different rules apply?
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If they treat it as a crime, criminal law applies and he should have a lawyer.
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Originally Posted by tinylittlegnat
2) How long before he is waterboarded?
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If they treat it as a crime, only once he disappears into the miltary prison system
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3) What is a military interrogation like?
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It's like being asked questions in a shouty voice and a really scary way. Unless you are a European Army in which case it is like visting your Granny and having tea and buns. |
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11-09-2009, 01:55 PM
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How soon before thw WHITE WOMAN COP KILLER that shot the HAPLESS Maj is waterboarded and imprisoned for ISLAMAPHOBIA?
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11-09-2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by busybody
How soon before thw WHITE WOMAN COP KILLER that shot the HAPLESS Maj is waterboarded and imprisoned for ISLAMAPHOBIA?
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In the thread title I typed the word "friends" you do not fit so your opinion means less than nothing in this thread.
Begone.
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11-09-2009, 02:05 PM
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In the thread title I typed the word "friends" you do not fit so your opinion means less than nothing in this thread.
Begone.
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11-09-2009, 02:11 PM
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Not many people on here would know what a real interrogation is like. A debriefing maybe. Many of us have been through those but not a real interrogation with the bare light bulb and the phone book and the leather gloves.
Yes, they have a right to a lawyer before questioning. The military was doing this even before Miranda.
Anyone can be tortured whether civilian or military if someone makes the decision to do it. It would have to be an extreme case though, especially nowadays. This wouldn't be one.
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11-09-2009, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by busybody
How soon before thw WHITE WOMAN COP KILLER that shot the HAPLESS Maj is waterboarded and imprisoned for ISLAMAPHOBIA?
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I haven't seen much in the MSM about this heroic cop being a hero.
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11-09-2009, 02:18 PM
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she isnt
why should she shoot the guy and nit talk to him?
is she trigger happy?
CRIMINAL CUNT, PUT HER IN JAIL
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11-09-2009, 02:26 PM
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tinylittlegnat asked:
The Fort Hood shooter is awake. His family is insisting he not be interrogated until he has a lawyer present. My questions are as follows.
(1) Can they legally interrogate him without a lawyer as he is an active duty soldier or do different rules apply?
831 ART. 31. COMPULSORY SELF-INCRIMINATION PROHIBITED
(a) No person subject to this chapter may compel any person to incriminate himself or to answer any questions the answer to which may tend to incriminate him.
(b) No person subject to this chapter may interrogate, or request any statement from an accused or a person suspected of an offense without first informing him of the nature of the accusation and advising him that he does not have to make any statement regarding the offense of which he is accused or suspected and that any statement made by him may be used as evidence against him in a trial by court-martial.
(c) No person subject to this chapter may compel any person to make a statement or produce evidence before any military tribunal if the statement or evidence in not material to the issue and may tend to degrade him.
(d) No statement obtained from any person in violation of this article, or through the use of coercion, unlawful influence, or unlawful inducement may be received in evidence against him in a trial by court-martial.
(2) How long before he is waterboarded?
Ignorance and assholitis are never an excuse for poor behavior, however pointing out the same is an excuse to be afflicted by the latter
3) What is a military interrogation like?
It depends on whether they are enemy combatants, or military personnel arrested for a crime. So far this looks like a crime perpetrated by a member of the US military. If so then all provisions of the UCMJ ( http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm ) apply.
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11-09-2009, 02:31 PM
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Quote:
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I haven't seen much in the MSM about this heroic cop being a hero.
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Last I heard they thought some of the victims were shot by "friendly" fire. It's entirely possible they're deliberately making her keep a low profile.
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11-09-2009, 02:34 PM
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I think the first question would be whether the family can invoke the shooter's rights for him. The family can insist all they want, but they don't have to listen to the family in regards to the shooter's legal rights. Maybe military law is different.
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11-09-2009, 02:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by busybody
she isnt
why should she shoot the guy and nit talk to him?
is she trigger happy?
CRIMINAL CUNT, PUT HER IN JAIL
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busybody: what a sad being you are. i know that none of the other kids ever played with you, but you need to rise above the pettiness and embrace the human race. we are one and not one against the other. when poisin strikes, it must be eleminated. careful that you aren't found out next. |
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11-09-2009, 02:59 PM
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Soothing jacuzzi bath
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A lot of people confuse interrogation with extracting information under torture.
Interrogation is simply asking questions in a way that allows the questioners to determine useful information. There are various techniques used to determine the value of the answers given. The keys to successful interrogation are proper conditioning of the subject, and causing the subject to answer the questions.
This is why soldiers were told to answer only with name, rank, and number. Although date of birth was then added to the list. The concept was to lock the soldier into a mantra which would be difficult to break. The interrogators job is to break through any such mantra.
I heard a story about the KGB. When asked if they used torture, the agent replied, "We don't need to. We are the KGB."
This is the ultimate in subject conditioning
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11-09-2009, 03:38 PM
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Quote:
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I haven't seen much in the MSM about this heroic cop being a hero.
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really? I've seen lots of reports of her being called heroic. maybe you need to read less biased media |
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11-09-2009, 04:46 PM
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Quote:
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I haven't seen much in the MSM about this heroic cop being a hero.
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You would have to actually tear your eyes away from whatever "right" rag you're currently getting your news from to notice wouldn't you?
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11-09-2009, 04:47 PM
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really? I've seen lots of reports of her being called heroic. maybe you need to read less biased media
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No shit..
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"God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time." - Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett, "Good Omens"
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11-09-2009, 05:02 PM
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You Knew This....
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Quote:
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I haven't seen much in the MSM about this heroic cop being a hero.
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That's because your television only gets Fox. Had you tuned in to ABC News, for example, you'd have learned that this heroic cop was named ABC's Person of the Week.
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