Islamic Terrorism in Texas…

[amicus]

It was not until the media, the left liberal media, began blaming the US and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and American Foreign Policy in general, that I decided to describe the recent event in Fort Hood, Texas, for what it is; a terrorist attack on American soil by a Muslim Fanatic.

Instead of criticizing the Military and the Foreign Policy of this nation, what should be done is an immediate ‘Profiling’ of Muslims in America and heightened surveillance and security over Mosque’s and Madrassa’s in the United States and other Coalition Nations engaged in the War on Terror.

The Islamic Terrorist, Nidal Hasan, an American citizen, will be seen as a Martyr by the Muslim world and may set off more terrorist attacks in America.

It is not mere coincidence that the increased violence in Iraq and Iran has spread to America. Expect more attacks not only here but elsewhere as a direct result of the weak and naive foreign policy of the new administration.

As with 9/11, there was more than enough evidence to indicate that a terrorist attack was being planned by this individual. Then, as now, the information was not acted upon and a needless and senseless loss of life is the price paid.

Amicus

[cloudy]

Give it a fucking break already. For fuck's sake, the guy was just as much an American citizen as you are.

Grow the fuck up.

[amicus]

Three, 'fuck's' in three lines.

A measure of your verbal skills?

Amicus

[TxRad]

Originally Posted by amicus

Three, 'fuck's' in three lines.

A measure of your verbal skills?

Amicus

No, a measure of your racist profiling stupidity.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by cloudy

Give it a fucking break already. For fuck's sake, the guy was just as much an American citizen as you are.

Grow the fuck up.

Since when has being an American citizen precluded one from being a terrorist? I read of many terrorist plots by Americans being foiled, such as the plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago.

http://illinoischannel.spaces.live.c...y?sa=413468272

[amicus]

[quote=TxRad;32417621[I]]No, a measure of your racist profiling stupidity.[/[/i]QUOTE]

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Religous profiling, you bet, or has no one informed you the Islamic World declared War?

This really is a War, and just like German and Japanese were under suspect then, so too, are Islamics. Listen to the news and not just Fox, but many, many others are taking a position similar to mine.

Amicus

[TxRad]

[quote=amicus;32417682]

Originally Posted by TxRad;32417621[I

]No, a measure of your racist profiling stupidity.[/[/i]QUOTE]

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Religous profiling, you bet, or has no one informed you the Islamic World declared War?

This really is a War, and just like German and Japanese were under suspect then, so too, are Islamics. Listen to the news and not just Fox, but many, many others are taking a position similar to mine.

Amicus

Most of the Muslim people I know are as horrified by all this as you are. There are terrorist around the world but no war has been declared. Are you saying a small group of fanatics are speaking for the whole Muslim world? I don't thionk so. You need to turn Fox off and look around.

[amicus]

Seldom do I observe those who choose to be deaf, blind and dumb, all at the same time. Since the late 40's when five Arab Nations attacked Israel, there has been and Islamic war raging.

Wake up! Smell the gunpowder! This Terrorist in Texas planned his attack, gave away his possessions, bought the guns and fired over 100 rounds at innocent men and women.

What do you call it? Allah Ahkbar?

Go away...

Amicus

[TxRad]

Originally Posted by amicus

Seldom do I observe those who choose to be deaf, blind and dumb, all at the same time. Since the late 40's when five Arab Nations attacked Israel, there has been and Islamic war raging.

Wake up! Smell the gunpowder! This Terrorist in Texas planned his attack, gave away his possessions, bought the guns and fired over 100 rounds at innocent men and women.

What do you call it? Allah Ahkbar?

Go away...

Amicus

Sorry Ami but I can't go away when you are parroting half truths and sensationalized bullshit before the facts are known. He was being deployed to Iraq, so he got rid of stuff he wouldn't need for over a year or more. Whether he bought the guns for this purpose hasn't been proven and no one saw him reload during the gunfire. That was reported the first day.

Wait for the facts. You're supposed to be a reporter. Act Like one.

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by amicus
Seldom do I observe those who choose to be deaf, blind and dumb, all at the same time. Since the late 40's when five Arab Nations attacked Israel, there has been and Islamic war raging.

Wake up! Smell the gunpowder! This Terrorist in Texas planned his attack, gave away his possessions, bought the guns and fired over 100 rounds at innocent men and women.

What do you call it? Allah Ahkbar?

Go away...

Amicus

Originally Posted by TxRad

Sorry Ami but I can't go away when you are parroting half truths and sensationalized bullshit before the facts are known. He was being deployed to Iraq, so he got rid of stuff he wouldn't need for over a year or more. Whether he bought the guns for this purpose hasn't been proven and no one saw him reload during the gunfire. That was reported the first day.

Wait for the facts. You're supposed to be a reporter. Act Like one.

Personally, I am inclined to call this a terrorist attack. It didn't have the planning of 9-11, but it was also not a spur of the moment thing. The guy walked into a crowd of people, shouted the Muslim terrorist battlecry and started shooting. If he had a bomb strapped to his waist and set it off, we would have no question, and I don't see any substantial difference between an explosion and shooting with multiple guns. Either way, he wanted to kill as many Americans as he could, and I'm pretty sure he expected to die also.

I have to wonder about the reloading. If he shot at least forty people, he must have reloaded a couple of times, but I doubt if people were actually watching for that kind of thing. Most were ducking for cover or maybe trying to take him out, and reloading would just not be high on their priority list.

The fact that he is a US citizen has no bearing on anything.

[cloudy]

Originally Posted by amicus

Three, 'fuck's' in three lines.

A measure of your verbal skills?

Amicus

No, a measure of my god damned fucking disgust with your god damned fucking stupid bullshit.

...and for good measure:

so fuck off, you motherfucking fuck. Box will keep you company. He's about your speed.

There. Happy?

[JackLuis]

Pandering to the downtrodden masses again Ami?

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by TxRad

Sorry Ami but I can't go away when you are parroting half truths and sensationalized bullshit before the facts are known. He was being deployed to Iraq, so he got rid of stuff he wouldn't need for over a year or more. Whether he bought the guns for this purpose hasn't been proven and no one saw him reload during the gunfire. That was reported the first day.

Wait for the facts. You're supposed to be a reporter. Act Like one.

Here is a news article that says he fired so often that he would had to have reloaded. I don't know how accurate it is.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...w7Y3gD9BQEPQG0

[penandpaper]

That many kids are gunned down in Compton each month. I don't see you bitching about that. There is no war, just a very relaxed gun policy that makes it possible for assholes like this to take advantage of.

[Dragonlipz]

Originally Posted by amicus

It was not until the media, the left liberal media, began blaming the US and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and American Foreign Policy in general, that I decided to describe the recent event in Fort Hood, Texas, for what it is; a terrorist attack on American soil by a Muslim Fanatic.

Instead of criticizing the Military and the Foreign Policy of this nation, what should be done is an immediate ‘Profiling’ of Muslims in America and heightened surveillance and security over Mosque’s and Madrassa’s in the United States and other Coalition Nations engaged in the War on Terror.

The Islamic Terrorist, Nidal Hasan, an American citizen, will be seen as a Martyr by the Muslim world and may set off more terrorist attacks in America.

It is not mere coincidence that the increased violence in Iraq and Iran has spread to America. Expect more attacks not only here but elsewhere as a direct result of the weak and naive foreign policy of the new administration.

As with 9/11, there was more than enough evidence to indicate that a terrorist attack was being planned by this individual. Then, as now, the information was not acted upon and a needless and senseless loss of life is the price paid.

Amicus

Did your mother have any children that lived? Better yet, did she claim you? Were you left on the steps of a catholic church to be taken in and taken advantage of by the gentle men of god whose platitudes you spew?????
Ah, Lad ye shoulda had a good upbringin'........

[Dragonlipz]

Mon Ami,
Change the channel and get some new talking points....The crap that FAUX NEWS spews is so tired, old and frankly BS that I'm not sure anyone is listening to you anymore.....
You need to engage the brain and try to think prior to spouting........not easy, but oh so satisfying when you've had an original thought......
But you, my love, have to go wit whatcha know..........

[Liar]

People are way to eager to use the T word.

Terrorism by definition has a political objective. It has a tactic. The idea is to hold an undisclosed innocent victim hostage by threats of random acts of violence, in order to gain a political advantage. To slow processes down, to scare or anger the opposition into making mistakes. Terrorist acts are there to remind the enemy that the threat remains. That next time, it could be you. For organized terrorists, religious zealotry is a tool to manipulate their pawns into taking risks in their place.

Was this killing spree motivated by religion? Could be. Some things indicate it. Religious fanatics can do a lot of weird shit in the name of their twisted beliefs. Was it actual terrorism? I'm still waiting for anything to back that up.

[Handley_Page]

Originally Posted by amicus

. . . . . . .
, that I decided to describe the recent event in Fort Hood, Texas, for what it is; a terrorist attack on American soil by a Muslim Fanatic.

The Islamic Terrorist, Nidal Hasan, an American citizen, will be seen as a Martyr by the Muslim world and may set off more terrorist attacks in America.

Amicus

Not according to my information. So far, nobody has even breathed the word "terrorist".
It seems that Major Hasan has been drafted to serve in warm, sandy parts. Now, as I see it, if you remember that Christians have fought Christians with equal vigour; but in the past. I think Major Hasan did not want to be put in the position of having to shoot a fellow Muslim.

Hi methods of getting out of the draft was rather extreme, though.

[Boota]

The first report I heard gave his immediate motivations from the standpoint of being bullied and demeaned by his fellow soldiers and being called "camel jockey" and the like. If that is the case it's not hard to see why he embraced the doctrine of a terrorist. People will generally give you what you expect of them. I'm not ready to call this a terrorist attack, though. I think it was a much more personal thing than a political statement.

No one wants to say anything against our troops. It is like India and their cows. But honestly, quite a few of our "honorable" soldiers are ignorant fuckheads. I have no problem believing that their bullying of this guy might have been the impetus for his actions. I'm sure more will come out in the investigation.

[elfin_odalisque]

I think Liar is on the money here. This appears to be an individual who has gone off the rails and done something like a Columbine.

Mentally disturbed - a religious extremist as he seems to have subsumed his American nationality into Islam-ism - and has committed a heinous but individual act.

This is no act of terrorism, but it is worrying that the military authorities hadn't identified the risks and potential stress on the guy.

His published web views that Islamic suicide bombers were the same as US soldiers who threw themselves on top of grenades to protect their comrades should have set bells ringing.

The guy is loony tunes and unforgivable but we need to know why he wasn't spotted as a threat before this disaster. The Army has questions to answer.

[R. Richard]

Originally Posted by elfin_odalisque

I think Liar is on the money here. This appears to be an individual who has gone off the rails and done something like a Columbine.

Mentally disturbed - a religious extremist as he seems to have subsumed his American nationality into Islam-ism - and has committed a heinous but individual act.

This is no act of terrorism, but it is worrying that the military authorities hadn't identified the risks and potential stress on the guy.

His published web views that Islamic suicide bombers were the same as US soldiers who threw themselves on top of grenades to protect their comrades should have set bells ringing.

The guy is loony tunes and unforgivable but we need to know why he wasn't spotted as a threat before this disaster. The Army has questions to answer.

Maybe the biggest question is, "Why were you training 'loony tunes' to counsel US soldiers?" If Army counselling people can't spot a loony tunes, how in the hell do they expect to meaningfully counsel soldiers. If I get a recruit who's supposedly trained, but isn't able to use a rifle to hit the side of a barn, from inside, I'm gonna have a talk with the 'trainers.' Actually, my 'talk' would consist mainly of a kick to the balls. (You ask, "Wouldn't that hurt?" No, I use steel toed boots and make damn sure to keep my ankle locked at impact.)

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by elfin_odalisque

I think Liar is on the money here. This appears to be an individual who has gone off the rails and done something like a Columbine.

Mentally disturbed - a religious extremist as he seems to have subsumed his American nationality into Islam-ism - and has committed a heinous but individual act.

This is no act of terrorism, but it is worrying that the military authorities hadn't identified the risks and potential stress on the guy.

His published web views that Islamic suicide bombers were the same as US soldiers who threw themselves on top of grenades to protect their comrades should have set bells ringing.

The guy is loony tunes and unforgivable but we need to know why he wasn't spotted as a threat before this disaster. The Army has questions to answer.

This sounds like a very likely scenario. I don't know if I'd absolutely rule out terrorism, it's quite possible that they've had extremist that were born on American soil enlisting in the army.Tactically it would be smart. Cowardly, but smart.

What is disturbing is that according to the military itself he was a problem case. A therapist that needs therapy seems rather counterproductive to me. I don't agree that his being bullied led up to this though. You have to be pretty twisted to figure name calling justifies shooting people.

[Zeb_Carter]

Originally Posted by Handley_Page

Not according to my information. So far, nobody has even breathed the word "terrorist".
It seems that Major Hasan has been drafted to serve in warm, sandy parts. Now, as I see it, if you remember that Christians have fought Christians with equal vigour; but in the past. I think Major Hasan did not want to be put in the position of having to shoot a fellow Muslim.

Hi methods of getting out of the draft was rather extreme, though.

He was a Doctor, Doctors in the Military do not shoot combatants. So that can't be his purpose for what he did.

Plus he was a psych doctor and would most likely have only seen fellow soldiers as patients. Maybe an odd civilian or two but, he would not have been involved in the killing of patching up, accept as to their mental state, any of his fellow Muslims or Comrades in Arms, those that he chose to kill and maim.

[Liar]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

You have to be pretty twisted to figure name calling justifies shooting people.

Well, I think if you pull a Columbine like this you ARE pretty twisted.

There was a shooting in Florida the other day too. Someone opened fire on his (former) workplace because he'd just been laid off. Not exactly a reason for murder either.

[Jenny_Jackson]

Ami, you failed to look deeper into the story. These are the facts...
1. Hasan has Palestinian roots. He is not a Palestinian. He's an American.
2. Yes he is a Muslim. So are about 1/3 of the people on earth. That does not make him a terrorist. Some of my best friends are Muslims.
3. Rather than blame Hasan, why not blame the military itself. Hasan already showed signs of instability that were ignored by the officials. His quarterly marks at Walter Reed should have been enough to set off sirens and flashing lights. And over the past few weeks he has been vociferous in his condemnation of the Iraq war.

Wow. Someone missed the point here.