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Old 11-05-2009, 04:33 PM   #1
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"Name me one poor person who has hired someone." I destroy this argument here and now

The poor hire millions.

How is that, you ask?

Simple. When the poor have money to spend, as the Heritage Foundation so amply put it, they put air conditioners in their houses, TVs in the bedrooms and living rooms, and computers on their desks.

Guess what - this produces an increase in consumer spending and demand. That creates jobs.

Right now, you are watching the world reeling from the fact that the poor and the working class in general, are holding back spending. That kills jobs.

Cutting taxes today will not work because the poor and the working class do not have the money to buy stuff. Your business will not survive as well on a lower tax burden with levels of demand that exist today.


Heavier progressive tax burdens on the rich to support the poor means the poor will have more money to spend and the rich will have someone to sell to.

So yes, the poor do hire people. Indirectly: they create jobs. The poor and the working class are an important part of the food chain, and without their participation, the rich... well, you've seen it. The rich go begging the Government for a bailout. The rich meta-ate the poor and the poor meta-ate the rich right back.

Rock, paper, scissors.

This is all historical fact speaking. History trumps theory.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:40 PM   #2
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well then

KNEE GROWZ hire a buncha people as well



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Old 11-05-2009, 04:47 PM   #3
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More importantly, the poor can FIRE the rich and the business owners by closing up their wallets.

They're doing that right now.

Come on, someone tell me they're not.
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:00 PM   #4
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You still haven't figured it out yet, have you.
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:45 PM   #5
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More importantly, the poor can FIRE the rich and the business owners by closing up their wallets.

They're doing that right now.

Come on, someone tell me they're not
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lol..you bitch!
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:48 PM   #6
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Rich people don't hire people when they get more money. They hire people when they get more customers, even if they need to borrow money to do it.
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Old 11-05-2009, 05:51 PM   #7
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This thread was started by a tiny negroid midget with white person envy.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:26 PM   #8
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Rich people don't hire people when they get more money. They hire people when they get more customers, even if they need to borrow money to do it.
Sometimes they don't even hire people then.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...ay_be_bad.html

Productivity gains may be bad news for job seekers
By The Associated Press
November 05, 2009, 8:39AM
WASHINGTON — Companies across the economy are finding ways to do more with fewer workers, dimming hopes that hiring will take off anytime soon.

Employers became leaner and more efficient in the third quarter. Wages, meantime, remain flat or falling. The result is that productivity — output per hour of work — jumped at the fastest pace in six years.

The good news for companies, though, is bad news for the jobless. As long as companies can get their workers to produce more, they have little reason to hire — at least until consumer spending picks up. And the squeeze on incomes could depress consumer spending, putting the economic recovery at risk.

Productivity rose at an annual rate of 9.5 percent in the July-September quarter, the Labor Department said today. That was much better than the 6.4 percent gain economists had expected. Unit labor costs fell at a 5.2 percent rate.

Still, while companies aren't doing much hiring, they're also not cutting as many workers. The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits last week fell to the lowest level in 10 months

The 9.5 percent productivity rise followed a 6.9 percent surge in the second quarter and was the fastest since a 9.7 percent increase in the third quarter of 2003.

The gain reflected that the overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, grew for the first time in a year — at an annual rate of 3.5 percent. The higher output came as companies continued to lay off workers. That meant employers produced more with fewer workers.

The 5.2 percent drop in unit labor costs marked the third straight decline and was larger than the 4 percent decrease economists were expecting.

Productivity is the key ingredient to rising living standards. It lets companies pay their workers higher wages. The increases are financed by the increased output rather than higher costs for products.

But companies this year, struggling to cope with the longest recession since the 1930s, have boosted output while continuing to lay off workers. The falling labor costs also reflect that many workers still fortunate enough to have jobs have seen their wages squeezed as companies struggle to bolster their bottom lines.

In a separate report, the Labor Department said first-time claims for jobless benefits last week fell by 20,000 to a seasonally adjusted 512,000. That's better than economists' estimates of 523,000.

Economists closely watch initial claims, which are considered a gauge of the pace of layoffs and an indication of employers' willingness to hire new workers.

On Wall Street, the better-than-expected jobless claims report and news that retailers posted their second straight month of sales gains in October buoyed investors. The Dow Jones industrial average added about 180 points in morning trading, and broader indexes also gained.

The four-week average of jobless claims, which smooths fluctuations, dropped to 523,750, its ninth straight decline. That's 135,000 below the peak for the recession, reached in early April.

Despite the improvement, initial claims remain well above the roughly 400,000 that economists say will signal job creation.

Another 4.1 million people claimed extended unemployment benefits in the week ended Oct. 17, the latest data available, an increase of about 100,000 from the previous week. Congress has added 53 weeks of emergency aid on top of the 26 weeks typically provided by states.

Still, as roughly 7,000 Americans run out of extended benefits every day, the House is expected to approve legislation that would add another 14 to 20 weeks. The Senate unanimously approved a similar proposal Wednesday.

The National Employment Law Project, an advocacy group, estimates that up to 1.3 million people would exhaust their benefits without the extension.

Economists expect the nation lost a net total of 175,000 jobs last month, adding to the 7.2 million lost since the recession began in December 2007. And many expect the jobless rate could rise as high as 10.5 percent before the recovery gains enough steam to start pushing it down next summer.

Layoffs have continued this week. Microsoft Corp. said it was cutting 800 more jobs at its facilities worldwide. That comes on top of the 5,000 layoffs the software giant announced in January.

Johnson & Johnson said it could cut up to 8,300 jobs as part of a restructuring and Sprint Nextel Corp., the nation's third largest wireless provider, said it planned to trim "dozens" of jobs from its wholesale division amid a drop in customers.

Economic growth could slow early next year as various government stimulus programs wind down, analysts say. That uncertainty has made many employers reluctant to hire and households contending with more layoffs, stagnant wages and depleted savings.

But the Federal Reserve pledged Wednesday to continue to keep interest rates low for an "extended period," a commitment central bank policymakers can make because wage and general inflation pressures have vanished during the downturn.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:27 PM   #9
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You still haven't figured it out yet, have you.
The person who would hire LT would be very poor indeed.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:49 PM   #10
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Sometimes they don't even hire people then.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...ay_be_bad.html

Productivity gains may be bad news for job seekers
By The Associated Press
November 05, 2009, 8:39AM
WASHINGTON — Companies across the economy are finding ways to do more with fewer workers, dimming hopes that hiring will take off anytime soon.

Employers became leaner and more efficient in the third quarter. Wages, meantime, remain flat or falling. The result is that productivity — output per hour of work — jumped at the fastest pace in six years.

The good news for companies, though, is bad news for the jobless. As long as companies can get their workers to produce more, they have little reason to hire — at least until consumer spending picks up. And the squeeze on incomes could depress consumer spending, putting the economic recovery at risk.
This is a reason we cannot rely on the market place alone for a healthy economy. The market place cannot be ignored, but it must not be worshiped.
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Old 11-05-2009, 07:11 PM   #11
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"Rich people do not create jobs, consumers do." I've said this for years.
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