No Recidivism

[R. Richard]

The Saudis have come up with a way to insure no recidivism. Comment?

Saudi court upholds child rapist crucifixion ruling

RIYADH (Reuters) - A Saudi court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported on Tuesday.

The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation. The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

International rights groups have accused the kingdom, the birthplace of Islam, of applying draconian justice, beheading murderers, rapists and drug traffickers in public. So far this year about 40 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia.

In Saudi Arabia, crucifixion means tying the body of the convict to wooden beams to be displayed to the public after beheading.

[Boxlicker101]

I think the Saudis are to be commended, as long as they are meticulous in insuring that only the guilty are punished. Personally, I believe that public executions, preferably by hanging, do more to deter crime than hiding the executions in prisons. Of course, that is just MHO.

ETA: I also believe that such extremes should be reserved for only the most heinious of criminals, such as the subject of the first post in this thread.

[Huckleman2000]

I'm embarrassed for my country that it shares such an affinity for capital punishment with theocratic dictatorships that practice such gruesome displays.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Huckleman2000

I'm embarrassed for my country that it shares such an affinity for capital punishment with theocratic dictatorships that practice such gruesome displays.

In my case, religion has nothing to do with it. I just believe in punishing the guilty in an appropriate manner.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by Huckleman2000

I'm embarrassed for my country that it shares such an affinity for capital punishment with theocratic dictatorships that practice such gruesome displays.

Lethal injection is a tad less harsh than beheading/crucifiction. Much of Arab country law is Islamic, ours isn't. We have such an excruciating appeals process hardy anyone is put to death anymore anyway.

As it is, we spend too much time and money keeping scum like this cooped up until they die or are paroled when they're 90 yo to go home and die.

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by TE999

Lethal injection is a tad less harsh than beheading/crucifiction. Much of Arab country law is Islamic, ours isn't. We have such an excruciating appeals process hardy anyone is put to death anymore anyway.

As it is, we spend too much time and money keeping scum like this cooped up until they die or are paroled when they're 90 yo to go home and die.

Sharp blade would be less expensive than the needle. All those pricey chemicals...

IMO the only thing more appropriate than what they did would have been to let the parents deal with him.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

Sharp blade would be less expensive than the needle. All those pricey chemicals...

IMO the only thing more appropriate than what they did would have been to let the parents deal with him.

Egads, you're the bloodthirsty one, aren't you?

I was thinking of crucifixion, then beheading.

"Let the punishment fit the crime."

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by TE999

Egads, you're the bloodthirsty one, aren't you?

I was thinking of crucifixion, then beheading.

"Let the punishment fit the crime."

Love it.

Bloodthirsty? Me? When it comes to stuff like that...you betcha.

Your idea's quite fitting too though.

[R. Richard]

Perhaps the best, most humane way of execution is hanging. The hangee dies when the rope breaks his/her neck and drives bone into the brain. Death is instantaneous.

Lethal injection requires a doctor and doesn't always work the first time. Beheading requires a strong, physically fit expert. (Swinging a sword/ax with force and precision is more difficult than you might imagine.) An electric chair is a very painful way to die. A gas chamber is also a humane way to kill.

The sentence handed down was that of a cassation court. A cassation court is at least a third level court. (Court, appeals court, cassation court. By the time a defendant gets to a cassation court, he/she has had the benefit of a lot of justice.)

[TE999]

Originally Posted by R. Richard

Perhaps the best, most humane way of execution is hanging. The hangee dies when the rope breaks his/her neck and drives bone into the brain. Death is instantaneous.

Lethal injection requires a doctor and doesn't always work the first time. Beheading requires a strong, physically fit expert. (Swinging a sword/ax with force and precision is more difficult than you might imagine.) An electric chair is a very painful way to die. A gas chamber is also a humane way to kill.

The sentence handed down was that of a cassation court. A cassation court is at least a third level court. (Court, appeals court, cassation court. By the time a defendant gets to a cassation court, he/she has had the benefit of a lot of justice.)

The guillotine was conceived as a 'humane' method of execution...it also served well in the assembly line executions of the French Revolution.

If a hangman's a tad sloppy, the victim strangles. If the guillotine's blade is dull or the victim has a thick neck, it may take more than one chop to do the deed.

The most effective method of execution is a firing squad. It's rather dramatic too.

ps: Legend has it that Dr. Guillotin met his end at the hands of his own invention.

[Huckleman2000]

You people are ghouls.

[sr71plt]

I see reason for the death penalty; such gruesome means, though, just makes those doing it and enjoying it slime balls as well, I think.

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by TE999

The guillotine was conceived as a 'humane' method of execution...it also served well in the assembly line executions of the French Revolution.

If a hangman's a tad sloppy, the victim strangles. If the guillotine's blade is dull or the victim has a thick neck, it may take more than one chop to do the deed.

The most effective method of execution is a firing squad. It's rather dramatic too.

ps: Legend has it that Dr. Guillotin met his end at the hands of his own invention.

That's interesting, about Guillotin that is.

Is a bit of suffering really that bad? I'm sure that poor baby left in the desert didn't die quick.

What's that thing with the ropes they used to do...can't remember what it's called. That might be fitting.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

That's interesting, about Guillotin that is.

Is a bit of suffering really that bad? I'm sure that poor baby left in the desert didn't die quick.

What's that thing with the ropes they used to do...can't remember what it's called. That might be fitting.

I think it was called bowstringing, and it was a method of slow strangulation. There was also drawing and quartering, which also used ropes or chains.

I have absolutely no sympathy for the subject of this thread, or for his ilk anywhere in the world either.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

That's interesting, about Guillotin that is.

Is a bit of suffering really that bad? I'm sure that poor baby left in the desert didn't die quick.

What's that thing with the ropes they used to do...can't remember what it's called. That might be fitting.

I think you're referring to Drawing and Quartering. Four horses pull on ropes tied to each victims limb...presto! Like in 'Braveheart'. The possessed citizens did it to outsiders with pickup trucks in the horror flick '1,000 Maniacs'.

[Bianca_Sommerland]

That's it. Drawing and Quartering. Like on Braveheart (loved that movie).

No sympathy here either (obviously). Death is a release. If an example being made saves people then it's worth it IMO.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

That's it. Drawing and Quartering. Like on Braveheart (loved that movie).

No sympathy here either (obviously). Death is a release. If an example being made saves people then it's worth it IMO.

It's not so much as making an example, it's stepping on a cockroach. Pervs like that can never be 'cured' or 'rehabilitated'...they're sick fucks that need to be removed from society permanently to protect it's children.

[voluptuary_manque]

Originally Posted by TE999

The guillotine was conceived as a 'humane' method of execution...it also served well in the assembly line executions of the French Revolution.

If a hangman's a tad sloppy, the victim strangles. If the guillotine's blade is dull or the victim has a thick neck, it may take more than one chop to do the deed.

The most effective method of execution is a firing squad. It's rather dramatic too.

ps: Legend has it that Dr. Guillotin met his end at the hands of his own invention.

Though the guillotine is remembered as French because of the Terror after the French Revolution, more people died from it at the hands of the Nazis than any other single group. It's not likely to be revived for that simple fact alone.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by voluptuary_manque

Though the guillotine is remembered as French because of the Terror after the French Revolution, more people died from it at the hands of the Nazis than any other single group. It's not likely to be revived for that simple fact alone.

I didn't know that. I thot the Nazis just shot or gassed their victims. Of course the Hitler bomb plot conspirators were hung from meat hooks by piano wire, but that was a special case.

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by TE999

It's not so much as making an example, it's stepping on a cockroach. Pervs like that can never be 'cured' or 'rehabilitated'...they're sick fucks that need to be removed from society permanently to protect it's children.

Won't dispute that. I don't think they can be cured, but most are cowards no? If they started getting picked off...and not in a nice way...the other's that haven't been caught might think twice before picking some kid off the street.

Maybe not. It's worth a try though.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by Bianca_Sommerland

Won't dispute that. I don't think they can be cured, but most are cowards no? If they started getting picked off...and not in a nice way...the other's that haven't been caught might think twice before picking some kid off the street.

Maybe not. It's worth a try though.

They're worse than cowards, they're predators. They're sneaky and clever. It's an uncontrollable urge to do what they do. How or why they have these urges is the stuff of academic debate...in practical terms they need to be expunged from the human race.

[dr_mabeuse]

Originally Posted by R. Richard

... A gas chamber is also a humane way to kill. ...

I'd disagree with that. The gas they use in a gas chamber is cyanide, which displaces the oxygen from the hemoglobin in your blood so that you suffocate internally, gasping for air and vomiting. There are often large-muscle spasms that makes the victim jerk and twitch in the chair, and if they fight death by holding their breath, it can take up to 5 minutes to die.

Despite what you see in the movies with people popping cyanide capsules and keeling over, it isn't that neat by any means. Just listen to the tapes of the mass suicide in Jonestown, which as also by cyanide, but this time ingested in Kool-Aid.

Death by firing squad is also rarely instantaneous, unless the head is targeted, which isn't generally done. Even if you're shot in the heart, it takes some time to die, though unconsciousness may come quickly.

It seems that every new technology that comes along is tried as an agent of execution. It's kind of a fad thing. The electric chair was built when electricity was still a modern wonder, and the gas chamber used the latest in chemical technology at the time it was designed. Nowadays we use drugs because it seems cleaner and more humane--more efficient.

In a lethal injection, 3 drugs are given mixed together through an IV. A massive dose of sodium pentathol renders the victim unconscious in about 10 seconds. A muscle relaxant paralyzes the muscles so there's no twitching or flailing around, and Potassium Chloride stops the heart in about 15-20 seconds. Potassium Chloride is supposed to be a painful way to die, as the heart spasms and clenches. The pentathol is supposed to render the victim insensitive to the pain. Whether it does or not is anyone's guess.

It turns out there aren't very many good ways to kill someone instantaneously. The guillotine was actually one of the best, and it gets a bad rap for the way it was used.

[Huckleman2000]

Originally Posted by TE999

They're worse than cowards, they're predators. They're sneaky and clever. It's an uncontrollable urge to do what they do. How or why they have these urges is the stuff of academic debate...in practical terms they need to be expunged from the human race.

If these people can't control themselves, how might capital punishment deter them?

You people are pathologically distrustful of government to make any decision, yet you enthusiastically hand it the power of life and death when it comes to the systems of justice.

It's all just blood sport.

[Bianca_Sommerland]

Originally Posted by Huckleman2000

If these people can't control themselves, how might capital punishment deter them?

You people are pathologically distrustful of government to make any decision, yet you enthusiastically hand it the power of life and death when it comes to the systems of justice.

It's all just blood sport.

TE was saying they can't be deterred. Capital punishment would just get rid of them so they couldn't harm any more children. I was the one mentioning that maybe public execution might make cowardly pedophiles and rapist think twice...

You're right though. The government shouldn't handle it. I'm all for a vigilante system.

[Tio_Narratore]

And vigilantes always rush to their judgement. Ask American Blacks what they think of vigilante justice. The court system may fare no better; take a look at all the wrongful convictions that have been uncovered in recent years.
I'm sympathetic to your feelings on such criminal acts, but I've too often seen the innocent convicted to accept quick judgements of guilt.
Public execution may seem to offer some deterrence, but a look at the record shows it never has.