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11-01-2009, 08:21 AM
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Shoot da' puck
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Nader on Obama: Weak. Waffling, wavering, ambiguous and overwhelmingly concessionary
And those are his strengths.
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11-01-2009, 08:25 AM
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On Strike!
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This morning Obama is polling down with the under 13 Demographic...
Handed out tricks for Halloween; dried fruit.
Not Barney Frank!
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11-01-2009, 08:43 AM
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One Term
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Originally Posted by Frisco_Slug_Esq
This morning Obama is polling down with the under 13 Demographic...
Handed out tricks for Halloween; dried fruit.
Not Barney Frank!
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No Barney is just a fruit, not dried |
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11-01-2009, 08:46 AM
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Since when did you take what Ralph Nader says seriously?
Oh, wait, anyone dissing Obama is OK in your book. You're a loser, Miles.
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11-01-2009, 08:50 AM
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On Strike!
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No Barney is just a fruit, not dried
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11-01-2009, 08:51 AM
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On Strike!
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Since when did you take what Ralph Nader says seriously?
Oh, wait, anyone dissing Obama is OK in your book. You're a loser, Miles.
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Since he got my daddy's car banned...
It was cool, it was a convertible. |
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11-01-2009, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by miles
And those are his strengths.
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11-01-2009, 09:57 AM
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Shoot da' puck
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Troover, are you like....twelve years old?
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11-01-2009, 10:15 AM
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Full Frontal Nerdity
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Originally Posted by SeanH
Since when did you take what Ralph Nader says seriously?
Oh, wait, anyone dissing Obama is OK in your book. You're a loser, Miles.
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I wasn't aware that anyone took Nader seriously anymore. 
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11-01-2009, 10:16 AM
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More than Jake
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I wasn't aware that anyone took Nader seriously anymore. |
He's much like miles in that way.
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11-01-2009, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulaven_Demorte
I wasn't aware that anyone took Nader seriously anymore. |
Ralph Nader is like a former boxing contender who doesn't know when it is time to quit. |
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11-01-2009, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulaven_Demorte View Post
I wasn't aware that anyone took Nader seriously anymore.
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Originally Posted by Luke_Atmydik
He's much like miles in that way.
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Did anyone ever take miles seriously? If I was a Republican I would be embarrassed to be on the same side of the aisle as he is. I wonder if he professed shock during the Monica Lewinsky "scandal." |
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11-01-2009, 11:49 AM
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I know you know better
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Originally Posted by The_Trouvere
Ralph Nader is like a former boxing contender who doesn't know when it is time to quit.
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That's what you call a "contender"? |
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11-01-2009, 11:57 AM
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That's what you call a "contender"?
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There was a time when Ralph Nader deserved to be taken seriously. |
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11-01-2009, 12:07 PM
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So bored...
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Ralph Nader is a douche.
I couldn't possibly take him seriously.
Also, all of those descriptions are synonyms.
You are stupid, dumb, retarded, an idiot, not smart, and unintelligent.
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11-01-2009, 12:11 PM
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If Ralph Nader had not run in 2000 Al Gore would have been elected president. 9/11 may have happened, but the invasion of Iraq would not have.
In 2000 Nader proved to those on and to the left of the Democrat Party that there is reason to vote for "the lesser of two evils," when the greater of the two keeps getting more evil.
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11-01-2009, 01:27 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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And those are his strengths.
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Nader favors a full on Military backed Communist revolutionary takeover of government...so to him, Obama is a big pussy for trying to accomplish the same thing in four years. 
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
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"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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11-01-2009, 01:29 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
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Originally Posted by The_Trouvere
If Ralph Nader had not run in 2000 Al Gore would have been elected president. 9/11 may have happened, but the invasion of Iraq would not have.
In 2000 Nader proved to those on and to the left of the Democrat Party that there is reason to vote for "the lesser of two evils," when the greater of the two keeps getting more evil.
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If the rabbit hadn't stopped to take a shit in the woods the bear wouldn't have had a good meal and the rabbit wouldn't have gotten a new fur coat.
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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
R. J. Wiedemann LtCol. USMC Ret
In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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11-01-2009, 01:29 PM
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Live Like You Got A Pair
vetteman is online now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Hogan
That's what you call a "contender"?
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The Trou confuses himself from time to time.
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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
R. J. Wiedemann LtCol. USMC Ret
In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
"Artillery Brings Dignity to What Would Otherwise Be Just A Vulgar Brawl"
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11-02-2009, 04:26 AM
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Really Really Experienced
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RE: Nader on Obama: Weak. Waffling, wavering, ambiquous and overwhelmingly concession
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Originally Posted by Ulaven_Demorte
I wasn't aware that anyone took Nader seriously anymore. |
I do. Ralph Nader is basically one man, up against two impossible parties who always seem to put their parties first instead of the country. In the other past elections, I voted for him three different times, proudly. The problem today is that he is SO WORN DOWN. He has nobody to back him, he has no campaign. But he himself, by himself, is certainly a real force to be reckoned with. Even now. And I hope there is someone out there with the same type of dedication who is Independant as well, who is willing to sacrafice himself for the sake of the whole. Someone with same ideals and knowledge, and hopefully someone who can gather enough support who can put a real dent into this two party system we have. But almost nobody votes or registers independent these days, because they're afraid to do something different. So, nothing changes if nothing changes. And we can continue to expect the same shit as always. Constant philabusters, and politicians lining their pockets with corporate greed, while corporate greed is what's truly running this great country into the ground.
On the other hand, I did in fact vote for Obama. I mainly voted for him because I was afraid that if John McCain had one, then one day Sarah Palin might take his place. She has no real place in the White House, it's obvious.
I want to be behind our President, regardless of all the hate he's been shown in this country since he took office. But I can't help but be frustrated by his lack of shrewdness. He needs to man-up and stop being so damn diplomatic with Congress. I want him to get done what he promised us. I don't like admitting this, but I happen to agree with what Nader said about him. And I don't believe Nader was being hateful towards him when he said these things either, he was being straight-up truthful. We have a duty to hold our goverment truly accountable in all it's affairs, as long as we hold ourselves accountable as well. That is, if we as a nation have a sincere desire to build this country into what our forefathers had envisioned for us. |
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11-02-2009, 04:44 AM
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It looks like America is in a mess with this guy.
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11-02-2009, 05:03 AM
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Really Really Experienced
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RE: Nader on Obama: Weak, Waffling, wavering, ambiquous and overwhelmingly concession
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It looks like America is in a mess with this guy.
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Which guy? Nader, or ................? |
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11-02-2009, 05:22 AM
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Anyhting Nader says is either irrelevant or bullshit. Or both.
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11-02-2009, 05:56 AM
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Really Really Experienced
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RE: Nader on Obama: Weak, wavering, ambiquous and overwhelming concessionary
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Anyhting Nader says is either irrelevant or bullshit. Or both.
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How do you figure that? Basically, I want to respectfully call you out and ask you to try and defend your argument. Give it your best shot, cause I'm curious about your response. |
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11-02-2009, 06:00 AM
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On Strike!
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Again, the typical liberal behavior pattern; we don't like what Nader has to say, so instead of explaining with logic, reason and fact why Nader's statements are off the mark, e.g., showing why Obama is strong, clear, and a master diplomat, they attack Nader's relevance, even though he's relevant enough to make the news...
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Contemporary leftists, on the other hand, view their opponents as people you send off to the Gulag, unworthy of any respect, deserving of any kind of low blow, no matter how foul. So you accuse Goldwater of insanity, slander Justice Thomas as a sexual monster, casually publish plays, books, and films calling for the assassination of President Bush, and assault the first serious Republican female candidate at her weakest point -- her family. And of course, you scream to high heaven if any form of turnabout occurs in your direction, as in the case of the Obama family, which was declared "off limits" early in the presidential campaign, at the same time that Palin's family was being stretched on the media rack.
This style of political loathing has become effectively innate. It has been systemized to such a degree as to become integral. Modern liberalism cannot do without it. An entire structure has been erected on the basis of political hatred, and from that structure a whole new strategy has arisen.
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