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10-29-2009, 08:38 AM
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Shoot da' puck
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A picture is worth a thousand words
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10-29-2009, 08:41 AM
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What a fucking fraud.
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you presume to know his personal feelings?
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10-29-2009, 08:45 AM
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you presume to know his personal feelings?
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10-29-2009, 08:57 AM
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Sure. Like most Liberals he loathes the military.
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It may be improper for him to render the hand salute in the first place not being a veteran, or in uniform, see Public Law 110-181, 122 Stat. 138 (section 594).
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10-29-2009, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by miles
Sure. Like most Liberals he loathes the military.
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don't be a plonker
whatever he may or may not feel personally about the military, to stand next to death, young men and women killed in service of their country, will touch him on a level you cannot begin to make assumptions about. He is a person first and foremost, a President second.
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10-29-2009, 09:06 AM
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It may be improper for him render the hand salute in the first place not being a veteran, or in uniform, see Public Law 110-181, 122 Stat. 138 (section 594).
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oh do me a favour 
if members of the civilian public were standing there in a crowd and offering a salute as a sign of respect, would people be complaining about it? No, they'd take it at face value for its intent.
And no, I'm not so naive either to realise a politician won't take every opportunity to work a photocall. My objection to the OP is the implication that Obama's personal feelings were fake. He has no way of infering that.
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10-29-2009, 09:16 AM
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It's just another photo op.
Because all that he is a public opinion that was elected president.
The trouble is the public is wising up.
To slow true but it's happening.
I'm not sure but I would think the commander in chief would be able to salute.
or at least get away with it.
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10-29-2009, 09:16 AM
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This was not a photo op damnit.
Presidents are always there at midnight to welcome the troops home. 
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10-29-2009, 09:22 AM
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10-29-2009, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chipbutty
oh do me a favour
if members of the civilian public were standing there in a crowd and offering a salute as a sign of respect, would people be complaining about it? No, they'd take it at face value for its intent.
And no, I'm not so naive either to realise a politician won't take every opportunity to work a photocall. My objection to the OP is the implication that Obama's personal feelings were fake. He has no way of infering that. |
You missed my point, who "properly" renders a hand salute is written into our law. You may be ignorant of this, but it's a fact nonetheless. Congress just changed this law not too long ago to make it officially proper for Veterans and servicemen out of uniform to render a hand salute to the flag. The President is not a veteran.
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10-29-2009, 09:47 AM
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I know it's not proper for Obama to give a salute -- Eisenhower, as POTUS, never exchanged salutes with soldiers, because he knew as POTUS he was a civilian -- but Obama is simply following W's precedent in that regard. He'd be taking even more RW abuse if he didn't salute. (And, no, W was no veteran.)
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10-29-2009, 09:56 AM
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Fuck you, Miles. Seriously.
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10-29-2009, 09:56 AM
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I know it's not proper for Obama to give a salute -- Eisenhower, as POTUS, never exchanged salutes with soldiers, because he knew as POTUS he was a civilian -- but Obama is simply following W's precedent in that regard. He'd be taking even more RW abuse if he didn't salute. (And, no, W was no veteran.)
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Reagan and Bush took liberties as well, but both Reagan and Bush are veterans; at least it was Bush who did sign the new law into effect. You noted that Eisenhower didn't render the hand salute, which is true to my knowledge, and at the time it was not proper to do so.
Obama wouldn't take any abuse if he simply put his hand over his heart, which is the proper form of salute for him.
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
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10-29-2009, 10:00 AM
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Bite me, Alex
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Strange reversal.
Before, the media nor Obama paid enough attention to fallen soldiers.
Now, apparently, they are paying too much.
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10-29-2009, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vetteman
You missed my point, who "properly" renders a hand salute is written into our law. You may be ignorant of this, but it's a fact nonetheless. Congress just changed this law not too long ago to make it officially proper for Veterans and servicemen out of uniform to render a hand salute to the flag. The President is not a veteran.
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He's the Commander In Chief.
It's proper.
Get over it.
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10-29-2009, 10:28 AM
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He's the Commander In Chief.
It's proper.
Get over it.
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Show me.
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
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10-29-2009, 10:55 AM
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It may be improper for him to render the hand salute in the first place not being a veteran, or in uniform, see Public Law 110-181, 122 Stat. 138 (section 594).
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Oh please.. He's the Commander in Chief of the Military. They salute him as a sign of respect, he returns that salute.
What a fucking moronic thing for you to say.
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10-29-2009, 11:02 AM
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Oh please.. He's the Commander in Chief of the Military. They salute him as a sign of respect, he returns that salute.
What a fucking moronic thing for you to say.
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Why don't you just shut up, you don't know what your talking about.
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In America we solve problems in one of three ways, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, or the Cartridge Box.
I have no reverence for the U.S. Constitution, none for the men who signed it, and certainly none for James Madison, who wrote most of it ~ The_Trouvere
All Muslims are not members of al Qaeda, but all members of al Qaeda are Muslims, and any Muslim might be a member of al Qaeda ~ Stratfor.
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10-29-2009, 11:08 AM
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You must have been one super whiny assed bitch when two term President Bill Clinton did his 50 year D-Day Anniversary speech.  |
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10-29-2009, 11:11 AM
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Of course not.
The law you're citing applies to the raising and lowering of the American flag and the playing of the National Anthem. Veterans and out of uniform military personnel were given the official ok to salute in those cases. There is no prohibition spelled out anywhere, to my knowledge, that says the President is not allowed to salute as a courtesy to soldiers under his leadership or those who have fallen. If you can find it, please do point it out.
I won't hold my breath.
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10-29-2009, 11:23 AM
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One and the same verbal attacks and pretty name calling all over.....
Isn't it obvious that you will never convince each other of your point.
You better quit now and go plant a few trees in your newly created spare time.
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10-29-2009, 11:25 AM
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One and the same verbal attacks and pretty name calling all over.....
Isn't it onvious that you will never convince each other of your point.
You better quit now and go plant a few trees in your newly created spare time.
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My yard work for the day is done. I've been productive, now I get to make Vetteman look a fool, as if he needed help.
It's my lunch time entertainment.
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Reagan and Bush took liberties as well, but both Reagan and Bush are veterans; at least it was Bush who did sign the new law into effect. You noted that Eisenhower didn't render the hand salute, which is true to my knowledge, and at the time it was not proper to do so.
Obama wouldn't take any abuse if he simply put his hand over his heart, which is the proper form of salute for him.
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I don't know if Obama should be saluting or not, but I do know that if you're going to salute, you fucking do it properly.
Contrast with this:
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10-29-2009, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by vetteman
You missed my point, who "properly" renders a hand salute is written into our law. You may be ignorant of this, but it's a fact nonetheless. Congress just changed this law not too long ago to make it officially proper for Veterans and servicemen out of uniform to render a hand salute to the flag. The President is not a veteran.
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The President is not a flag, either.
He is, however, the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, despite what you and your buddies at Fox News think.
Deal with it.
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10-29-2009, 11:37 AM
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Without having looked up the law Vette cites, it strikes me as highly unlikely that a law prohibiting someone from saluting would be Constitutional - or conversely, stating who MAY salute.
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