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10-08-2009, 08:45 PM
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Supreme Court Justice: I'm a Fucking Moron! I Really Am!
As the Supreme Court weighed a dispute over a religious symbol on public land Wednesday, Justice Antonin Scalia was having difficulty understanding how some people might feel excluded by a cross that was put up as a memorial to soldiers killed in World War I.
“It’s erected as a war memorial. I assume it is erected in honor of all of the war dead,” Scalia said of the cross that the Veterans of Foreign Wars built 75 years ago atop an outcropping in the Mojave National Preserve. “What would you have them erect?…Some conglomerate of a cross, a Star of David, and you know, a Muslim half moon and star?”
Peter Eliasberg, the American Civil Liberties Union lawyer arguing the case, explained that the cross is the predominant symbol of Christianity and commonly used at Christian grave sites, not that the devoutly Catholic Scalia needed to be told that.
“I have been in Jewish cemeteries,” Eliasberg continued. “There is never a cross on a tombstone of a Jew.”
There was mild laughter in the packed courtroom, but not from Scalia.
“I don’t think you can leap from that to the conclusion that the only war dead that that cross honors are the Christian war dead. I think that’s an outrageous conclusion,” Scalia said, clearly irritated by the exchange.
What a fucking moron! And this guy sits on the highest court in the land? He needs to be impeached for being a moron and an asshole. |
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10-08-2009, 08:48 PM
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If the judiciary could be impeached for being idiots, there'd be a lot fewer judges on both sides of the Atlantic.
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10-08-2009, 08:51 PM
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yeah...tear down that fucking cross...we're not nor have ever been a Christian nation and never will be thank God
no more fucking crosses at Christmas either
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10-08-2009, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Powertone
yeah...tear down that fucking cross...we're not nor have ever been a Christian nation and never will be thank God
no more fucking crosses at Christmas either
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10-08-2009, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Powertone
yeah...tear down that fucking cross...we're not nor have ever been a Christian nation and never will be thank God
no more fucking crosses at Christmas either
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Don't know if you've ever come across this little piece:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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10-08-2009, 08:54 PM
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You totally missed the point, didn't you.
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10-08-2009, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Drixxx
As the Supreme Court weighed a dispute over a religious symbol on public land Wednesday, Justice Antonin Scalia was having difficulty understanding how some people might feel excluded by a cross that was put up as a memorial to soldiers killed in World War I.
“It’s erected as a war memorial. I assume it is erected in honor of all of the war dead,” Scalia said of the cross that the Veterans of Foreign Wars built 75 years ago atop an outcropping in the Mojave National Preserve. “What would you have them erect?…Some conglomerate of a cross, a Star of David, and you know, a Muslim half moon and star?”
Peter Eliasberg, the American Civil Liberties Union lawyer arguing the case, explained that the cross is the predominant symbol of Christianity and commonly used at Christian grave sites, not that the devoutly Catholic Scalia needed to be told that.
“I have been in Jewish cemeteries,” Eliasberg continued. “There is never a cross on a tombstone of a Jew.”
There was mild laughter in the packed courtroom, but not from Scalia.
“I don’t think you can leap from that to the conclusion that the only war dead that that cross honors are the Christian war dead. I think that’s an outrageous conclusion,” Scalia said, clearly irritated by the exchange.
What a fucking moron! And this guy sits on the highest court in the land? He needs to be impeached for being a moron and an asshole.
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You are the fucking moron Drixxx, there isn't liberal on that court with his intellect, you big dummy. The ACLU and friends tried the same case here with our local cross and lost.
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10-08-2009, 09:02 PM
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We have long known he is an idiot. This is not unexpected.
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10-08-2009, 09:08 PM
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Bite me, Alex
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“I don’t think you can leap from that to the conclusion that the only war dead that that cross honors are the Christian war dead. I think that’s an outrageous conclusion,” Scalia said, clearly irritated by the exchange.
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You miss the point, which is that a cross can honor any Veterans of any religion.
Case in point:
This cross commemorates the Free French Forces in WWII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_French_Forces
The Free French Forces were over 65% West Africans. Not Christians.
But that memorial certainly is also dedicated to them. No?
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10-08-2009, 09:15 PM
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Intergalactic Badass
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Originally Posted by vetteman
You are the fucking moron Drixxx, there isn't liberal on that court with his intellect, you big dummy. The ACLU and friends tried the same case here with our local cross and lost.
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10-08-2009, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TurdFergeson
You miss the point, which is that a cross can honor any Veterans of any religion.
Case in point:
This cross commemorates the Free French Forces in WWII:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_French_Forces
The Free French Forces were over 65% West Africans. Not Christians.
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yeah, that's not really the same thing.
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10-08-2009, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Powertone
yeah...tear down that fucking cross...we're not nor have ever been a Christian nation and never will be thank God
no more fucking crosses at Christmas either
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At least you got something right. |
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10-08-2009, 09:28 PM
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You can disagree with Scalia's constitutional ideology, and I do, but no reasonable person can say he's an idiot. Of course, those with sub-average I.Q.'s can - Drixx.
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10-08-2009, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Drixxx
As the Supreme Court weighed a dispute over a religious symbol on public land Wednesday, Justice Antonin Scalia was having difficulty understanding how some people might feel excluded by a cross that was put up as a memorial to soldiers killed in World War I.
“It’s erected as a war memorial. I assume it is erected in honor of all of the war dead,” Scalia said of the cross that the Veterans of Foreign Wars built 75 years ago atop an outcropping in the Mojave National Preserve. “What would you have them erect?…Some conglomerate of a cross, a Star of David, and you know, a Muslim half moon and star?”
Peter Eliasberg, the American Civil Liberties Union lawyer arguing the case, explained that the cross is the predominant symbol of Christianity and commonly used at Christian grave sites, not that the devoutly Catholic Scalia needed to be told that.
“I have been in Jewish cemeteries,” Eliasberg continued. “There is never a cross on a tombstone of a Jew.”
There was mild laughter in the packed courtroom, but not from Scalia.
“I don’t think you can leap from that to the conclusion that the only war dead that that cross honors are the Christian war dead. I think that’s an outrageous conclusion,” Scalia said, clearly irritated by the exchange.
What a fucking moron! And this guy sits on the highest court in the land? He needs to be impeached for being a moron and an asshole.
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So we are to remove all religious symbols from any war memorial, even if that symbol is there to honor all war dead? Are we going to go through Arlington National Cemetery and pull up all the crosses? No? Really? Why not? It's pubic property after all.
We should tear down a memorial that was placed there 75 years ago, 60 years before the Mojave Preserve even existed? I believe if you check, at the time the memorial was erected, those who did it, and those they were honoring were Christian.
So we should also tear down the Washington state replica of Stonehenge that was erected to honor WWI war dead of Klickitat County, since it is definitely a symbol of a long ago religion and probably entailed human sacrifice to boot?
I believe the cross should be left to do what it was intended to do, honor those who died for their country. There was no malice, or thoughts of trying to smother another religion by the people who put it up. And it damn sure wasn't on public property when it was erected. So why spend such energy and produce so much ill will, over something that should be viewed as a historical site?
I think there needs to be a bit of common sense used here. And it doesn't seem like there's a lot of that connected with this case.
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10-08-2009, 09:33 PM
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You can disagree with Scalia's constitutional ideology, and I do, but no reasonable person can say he's an idiot. Of course, those with sub-average I.Q.'s can - Drixx.
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You aren't Jewish either I bet. |
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10-08-2009, 09:33 PM
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yeah, that's not really the same thing.
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Why not?
It's a cross dedicated as a memorial to war dead from many religions.
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10-08-2009, 09:34 PM
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Safe bet. You aren't Jewish are you.
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It's a safe bet the answer is irrelevant. 
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10-08-2009, 09:36 PM
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You aren't Jewish either I bet.
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No, but I spend a lot of time in Arlington (Federal property) and see an awful lot of Star's of David there. Lots of Crosses, and a few Crescents. None of which are Federal endorsement of any particular religion. The only reason the Court took this case was to slap down the lower court.
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10-08-2009, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Comshaw
So we are to remove all religious symbols from any war memorial, even if that symbol is there to honor all war dead? Are we going to go through Arlington National Cemetery and pull up all the crosses? No? Really? Why not? It's pubic property after all.
We should tear down a memorial that was placed there 75 years ago, 60 years before the Mojave Preserve even existed? I believe if you check, at the time the memorial was erected, those who did it, and those they were honoring were Christian.
So we should also tear down the Washington state replica of Stonehenge that was erected to honor WWI war dead of Klickitat County, since it is definitely a symbol of a long ago religion and probably entailed human sacrifice to boot?
I believe the cross should be left to do what it was intended to do, honor those who died for their country. There was no malice, or thoughts of trying to smother another religion by the people who put it up. And it damn sure wasn't on public property when it was erected. So why spend such energy and produce so much ill will, over something that should be viewed as a historical site?
I think there needs to be a bit of common sense used here. And it doesn't seem like there's a lot of that connected with this case.
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Scalia's words seemed quite ridiculous. But I'll say I read your words and they certainly shifted my views on this situation as a whole. Neither you nor I can say that he meant what you have written here, but if he did, I don't have a problem with it. |
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10-08-2009, 09:36 PM
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If it were a Star of David, set up to memorialize innocent civilians who died in WWII, and it were on public land, who would complain about it?
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10-08-2009, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnySavage
No, but I spend a lot of time in Arlington (Federal property) and see an awful lot of Star's of David there. Lots of Crosses, and a few Crescents. None of which are Federal endorsement of any particular religion. The only reason the Court took this case was to slap down the lower court.
Come see me next year when the lower court is reversed by at least 7-2.
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Still missing the point entirely. |
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10-08-2009, 09:39 PM
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Still missing the point entirely.
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Your point is to try and belittle Scalia's intellect; which is REALLY funny coming from you. |
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10-08-2009, 09:40 PM
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If saying something others considered to be stupid made one a moron, then, Drixxx, you would be the perfect ideal of moronhood.
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10-08-2009, 09:40 PM
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Nobody on the court is stupid and all of them are smarter than Drixxx.
Scalias point is clear enough. He's not being dumb, he's playing devils advocate while also including some common sense in regards to the meaning of the that particular cross.
The cross is a Christian symbol but it can also be something more general as in this case.
Personally I think it violates the idea of seperation of church and state but I also think it should be left alone. It's not hurting anyone except the ACLU and nobody really cares what they think.
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10-08-2009, 09:40 PM
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Why not?
It's a cross dedicated as a memorial to war dead from many religions.
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go read the wiki article and figure it out for yourself. it's kind of obvious. |
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