organ donation

[Kybele]

no... not that kind of organ!

should people have the right to sell their vital organs or should it be a system of opting out of organ donation rather than opting into it?

[NoJo]

Originally Posted by Kybele

no... not that kind of organ!

should people have the right to sell their vital organs or should it be a system of opting out of organ donation rather than opting into it?

Suddenly she's David Dimbleby

[JohnnySavage]

Originally Posted by Kybele

no... not that kind of organ!

should people have the right to sell their vital organs or should it be a system of opting out of organ donation rather than opting into it?

Yes/no

[blunt_trauma]

i like the opt out idea.
i could give reasons but i don't feel like it.
maybe i need some porn...

[NoJo]

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

i like the opt out idea.
i could give reasons but i don't feel like it.
maybe i need some porn...

You get that when you opt in to the sperm donation program

[Kybele]

Originally Posted by Sub Joe

Suddenly she's David Dimbleby

you wank over him too?

Originally Posted by JohnnySavage

Yes/no

what?

Originally Posted by blunt_trauma

i like the opt out idea.
i could give reasons but i don't feel like it.
maybe i need some porn...

I like opting out as well. and it would remove incentive for people to sell organs

as to porn, google mark davis

[blunt_trauma]

Originally Posted by Sub Joe

You get that when you opt in to the sperm donation program

are you coming on to me?

[torchthebitch]

Opt in.

A persons body is theirs not a source for harvest. Only fascists think they have rights over another persons body.

Them, and rapists.

BTW. I'm a registered organ donor.

[Shadowann2]

Originally Posted by Kybele

no... not that kind of organ!

should people have the right to sell their vital organs or should it be a system of opting out of organ donation rather than opting into it?

Define "vital organ." Do I think people should be able to sell a kidney? Yes. You can sell it, provide extra money for your family, and still live. You can donate part of your liver and still live. I think it should be regulated, and laws should be in place, like surrogate pregnancy, but still legal. I think if the monetary incentive was there for it, more lives could be saved. I do not think a desperate person should not be able to sell their heart, or other "vital" organs, in a last ditch effort to get their family out of debt. (You know there would be people desperate enough to do it if they could!)

As for an "opting out" system of organ donation: I don't have a problem with it. I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to be an organ donor. You're dead; what do you need with your organs anymore? I think a person should be able to opt out for religious reasons, and perhaps a few others, but on the whole, I think a great many people would benefit from putting a system like that into place.

[John Doe]

No and no.

[Kybele]

Originally Posted by torchthebitch

Opt in.

A persons body is theirs not a source for harvest. Only fascists think they have rights over another persons body.

Them, and rapists.

BTW. I'm a registered organ donor.

interesting view. but if the body is dead, why not? Also, as a registered organ donor your wishes can be over-ruled by your family in the instance of your death.

I don't think donation should be compulsory, but I do think it should be an opt out rather than opt in scenario.

Originally Posted by Shadowann2

Define "vital organ." Do I think people should be able to sell a kidney? Yes. You can sell it, provide extra money for your family, and still live. You can donate part of your liver and still live. I think it should be regulated, and laws should be in place, like surrogate pregnancy, but still legal. I think if the monetary incentive was there for it, more lives could be saved. I do not think a desperate person should not be able to sell their heart, or other "vital" organs, in a last ditch effort to get their family out of debt. (You know there would be people desperate enough to do it if they could!)

As for an "opting out" system of organ donation: I don't have a problem with it. I really don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to be an organ donor. You're dead; what do you need with your organs anymore? I think a person should be able to opt out for religious reasons, and perhaps a few others, but on the whole, I think a great many people would benefit from putting a system like that into place.

yeah... you can live with only one kidney, but what happens if your one remaining kidney goes wrong? I'd do a live donation of kidney, marrow or liver in a heartbeat to a loved one but I don't think I'd risk selling one to a stranger. I am on a bone marrow register though.

Originally Posted by John Doe

No and no.

no to what, opting in or opting out?

[HB1965]

Yes people should have a right to sell their organs, and they should opt be able to opt in not out.

[Kybele]

Originally Posted by HB1965

Yes people should have a right to sell their organs, and they should opt be able to opt in not out.

typo?

[torchthebitch]

Originally Posted by Kybele

interesting view. but if the body is dead, why not? Also, as a registered organ donor your wishes can be over-ruled by your family in the instance of your death.

I don't think donation should be compulsory, but I do think it should be an opt out rather than opt in scenario.

Because:

If the body is nearly dead why not make it dead? It will be dead soon so it'll save money and get the operation done sooner.

That's a poor person, their life isn't as valuable as the rich sick person who might become a doctor or lawyer. So why not? They aren't going to achieve anything.

They have an opt out? They are the only one compatible with (insert more important person). Take them anyway.

Thin end of the wedge

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

The Law of unintended consequences.

[TurdFergeson]

Better idea: everyone gets their organs cloned at birth, and kept in a "spare parts" freezer, just in case.

[Kybele]

Originally Posted by torchthebitch

Because:

If the body is nearly dead why not make it dead? It will be dead soon so it'll save money and get the operation done sooner.

That's a poor person, their life isn't as valuable as the rich sick person who might become a doctor or lawyer. So why not? They aren't going to achieve anything.

They have an opt out? They are the only one compatible with (insert more important person). Take them anyway.

Thin end of the wedge

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

The Law of unintended consequences.

all those arguments would hold if your were a registered organ donor. plus if doctors made value judgments on the the worth of a person's life to the extent they would let one person die so another could live than people like George Best would never have got a liver transplant.

[AbiNormyl]

I do like the cloned suggestion; but as we can't get past using embroyonic tissue to help millions of people i don't think cloning will come into play for a very long time.

I would say the system should still be an option but in or out is relative as long as the person has the right to choose.

I think there should be more education about organ donation and at least in the state i live it is a question you have to answer before they give you your driver's license so at least you are asked which is better than it used to be.

One last thing; if i put that i am an organ donor on my dl then i don't believe anyone should be able to reverse that decision except me.

abi

[JohnnySavage]

Originally Posted by AbiNormyl

I do like the cloned suggestion; but as we can't get past using embroyonic tissue to help millions of people i don't think cloning will come into play for a very long time.

I would say the system should still be an option but in or out is relative as long as the person has the right to choose.

I think there should be more education about organ donation and at least in the state i live it is a question you have to answer before they give you your driver's license so at least you are asked which is better than it used to be.

One last thing; if i put that i am an organ donor on my dl then i don't believe anyone should be able to reverse that decision except me.

abi

Since when???

[Kybele]

Originally Posted by AbiNormyl

I do like the cloned suggestion; but as we can't get past using embroyonic tissue to help millions of people i don't think cloning will come into play for a very long time.

I would say the system should still be an option but in or out is relative as long as the person has the right to choose.

I think there should be more education about organ donation and at least in the state i live it is a question you have to answer before they give you your driver's license so at least you are asked which is better than it used to be.

One last thing; if i put that i am an organ donor on my dl then i don't believe anyone should be able to reverse that decision except me.

abi

in the UK being on the donation register is totally meaningless as the decision is actually down to the next of kin. an opt out system would then allow next of kin to be bypassed or at least put the onus on them to specifically say no.

[Angeline]

Now this sounds like death panels to me. I'm a registered organ donor who doesn't think money should be exchanged for human parts. I'd maybe agree to something like a nonprofit clearinghouse through which grants or charitable donations could flow to help people in need of money or organs. But to make it a private, unregulated business? No. When there's money to be earned, scruples often go out the window. And I would not want my kidneys to go along with them so some company can increase its bottom line.

[TikkaT3]

Sure sell away, it's your body.

Opt in.

[clutch1]

So the rich are the only ones to get organs when they need them.

I say a first need, first get, system would be better.

[great lover]

Originally Posted by Kybele

no... not that kind of organ!

should people have the right to sell their vital organs or should it be a system of opting out of organ donation rather than opting into it?

Over my dead body!

[chipbutty]

vital organs are called that for a reason. No, I don't think people ought to be allowed to profit from selling parts of their bodies. And opt out works for me. If people hold strong views then opt out. I'd suspect far more don't hold that kind of conviction against organ donating at death but can't be arsed to make it known they'd kinda like to be a donor. Bring money into the equation, and you have the recipe for abuse of the system.

[koalabear]

I get mine from China.