Mackenzie Phillips says she had sex with her dad

[JackLuis]

WTF, real incest?

"Mackenzie Phillips writes in her new book, "High on Arrival," that she had sex with her father on the night before she was to get married in 1979 at age 19, according to People magazine."

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I thought the man had better taste.

[3113]

"Someone has to put a face on consensual incest..."

[Carnevil9]

She's a Lit Story come to life!

[Xelebes]

We are inspired.

[TE999]

Is this a ploy to sell books and get attention? What happened to calling the police or leaving the house if this in fact happened?

[voluptuary_manque]

Originally Posted by TE999

Is this a ploy to sell books and get attention? What happened to calling the police or leaving the house if this in fact happened?

It was years ago and I think he's dead, now.

[3113]

Originally Posted by TE999

What happened to calling the police or leaving the house if this in fact happened?

Sex started happening between her and her dad when she was 9, and a child that age is hardly going to leave the house. And this was in the 70's. I'm afraid that prior to the 80's, child abuse was often ignored, police not called and children not warned to tell adults if someone was doing something "bad" to them.

But even if she had such options, at age 9, the child can be told by the father not to tell anyone, that this is normal, that this is love, etc. She might even think that her life is good; she's not beaten or starved or anything like that. See, that's the problem, TE999. Kids tend to think that their lives, in their homes, are normal. They don't always see or realize that this isn't what all dads do to their daughters, or how all families live. Or that they're in such trouble, that they should run away or call the police.

It certainly doesn't help if the father has money, fame and drugs. Including, if she's being honest, ones that are addictive and will keep her coming back--or would get her arrested if she called the police. As she got older, it would have come down to her word against not only his, but the rest of the family if the rest of the family insisted she was lying.

So I'm not surprised that there was no leaving the house or calling the police. If this were happening now, she might have done either, but back in the 70's?

The problem is, she was a big drug addict. Can we trust her memories? I find it believable, but I don't know that I find her a credible witness either.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I have a different theory based on my experiences with little girls. I think I was 5 when a neighbor girl introduced me to the wonders of the female species, and almost every girl I ever knew was game for a little action when no one was looking. Girls arent naturally attracted to bad boys, they like guys who put out.

I cant figure out why any man would want MacKenzie Philips. Makes no sense.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

First off, there are no such animals as memories. Memories dont exist. No one has ever found memory in the human skull. There are plenty of places that affect recall, but no memory place exists.

The best analogy for memory is human beauty. Its transient, and what you see today likely wont be there in 6 months. Beauty isnt static, and neither are recollections.

For example: My old man was stationed at Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station from 1949-1952. I was born at Cherry Point. I distinctly remember seeing PETER PAN at the base theater, but PETER PAN wasnt released by Disney until late 1952, and we were moved to Albany, Georgia. So I could not have seen this movie at Cherry Point.

My son has distinct recollections of the year we didnt celebrate Christmas. We never missed celebratring Christmas. His sisters and mom confirm it! Yet he's certain Christmas never happened one year.

[vrosej10]

Originally Posted by JackLuis

WTF, real incest?

"Mackenzie Phillips writes in her new book, "High on Arrival," that she had sex with her father on the night before she was to get married in 1979 at age 19, according to People magazine."

This is by far the most nauseating and creep out inducing thing I have heard this week. Goddess damn, there's a good reason our species has a natural tendency for outbreeding...

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Why do you credit the report? What makes Mackenzie Philips creditable?

[vrosej10]

Originally Posted by JAMESBJOHNSON

Why do you credit the report? What makes Mackenzie Philips creditable?

It's sick shit if she made it up, it's sick shit if she didn't. Either option makes me want to puke.

[DesertPirate]

Originally Posted by vrosej10

It's sick shit if she made it up, it's sick shit if she didn't. Either option makes me want to puke.

That pretty much covers the whole issue.

[OhMissScarlett]

Originally Posted by vrosej10

It's sick shit if she made it up, it's sick shit if she didn't. Either option makes me want to puke.

Exactly. Also, I don't think anyone disputes that she had a pretty fucked up childhood either way. It wouldn't surprise me if it is true, it's not uncommon that victims of sex abuse become drug addicts.

[champagne1982]

Originally Posted by OhMissScarlett

Exactly. Also, I don't think anyone disputes that she had a pretty fucked up childhood either way. It wouldn't surprise me if it is true, it's not uncommon that victims of sex abuse become drug addicts.

She also reports that her parent injected her with cocaine at age eleven. If all be told truthfully, Mackenzie won't own her addiction either. It was all her father's fault. She seemed very upset during the interview when she recalled the needle in her arm to Oprah and was very frank appearing as she admitted that the sex became consentual later in her teens.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SCARLETT

The flip-side is plenty of people are fucked by false allegations.

I recall a woman who came to my office for guilt. She had sex with a cop, got caught by her husband, and screamed rape. This is what she told me. The cop went to prison, and she felt guilty about it but wouldnt correct the problem cuz her hubby would leave her. And I couldnt disclose it becus of confidentiality laws.

[Jenny_Jackson]

Well... I looked Mackenzie Phillips us on the web. She had a bit part in a movie in 2005 and a walk on in ER in 2007. So she's prolly starving and punching to sell her crappy book at any cost because her unemployment has run out.

[sr71plt]

It's only her word and she has a book to sell. Not affected by it, so I don't have to give it much thought, but I don't rush to "he did it" under these circumstances.

[elfin_odalisque]

Originally Posted by Jenny_Jackson

Well... I looked Mackenzie Phillips us on the web. She had a bit part in a movie in 2005 and a walk on in ER in 2007. So she's prolly starving and punching to sell her crappy book at any cost because her unemployment has run out.

My thoughts when I read it first, but I think Vrose summed it up. It's sick shit whether it happened or not.

[DeeZire]

I'm reading a self-published memoir by a local gal who was raped by her grand dad at the age of 3. It took her till her mid thirties to gain control over the self-destructive tendencies that were the result of that abuse.

It may be more comfortable for some people to discount tales of incest, but it happens every day. That doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it fantasy either.

[sr71plt]

Originally Posted by DeeZire

I'm reading a self-published memoir by a local gal who was raped by her grand dad at the age of 3. It took her till her mid thirties to gain control over the self-destructive tendencies that were the result of that abuse.

It may be more comfortable for some people to discount tales of incest, but it happens every day. That doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it fantasy either.

That's true, but it doesn't make any single person accused automatically guilty either, does it?

I've seen/heard several statements today that an accusal alone is proof positive--just because we all know it happens. Unfortunately that ain't so. "Victims" make it up some of the time--and/or substitutes who is the perpetrator for one reason or another--and the one who has now become their victim deserves justice too.

[DeeZire]

Obviously, the he-said she-said scenario is open to conjecture. However, the tactic of discrediting the victim is the standard defense used by a rapist. "She was dressed provacatively" (at age nine?)

The only victim I see here is Mackenzie. Is her dad even still alive? Does it matter? This is her story. To piss on her for telling it seems a bit judgmental to me.

In my life, I have come across several victims of incest. I know of a woman who bore two of her father's children at age 12 and 14. He eventually got locked up. One of her children is relatively okay, the other had a cleft pallet and serious food allergies, and upon adulthood spent time in and out of mental institutions. The fact that Mackenzie never bore any of her father's children doesn't mean she didn't endure the incest.

I just think it's really sad to see a woman ridiculed when she tells her story. Don't we have better things to do than brand her with a scarlet letter? (In this case, the letter "L" for liar.)

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When I was a kid my sister used to lie her ass off to get out of trouble or to get her way. Most of her problems involved my mom, who kept my sister on a short leash. So my sister told all kinds of tales to her friends parents to get them and the cops involved. It was all bullshit.

And after my parents died she disclosed how my dad sexually abused her for years; how he went into her bedroom at night, etc. I was there, it never happened. He got his nookie out of town. That I do know cuz my old lady caught his ass every time.

[vrosej10]

Originally Posted by sr71plt

That's true, but it doesn't make any single person accused automatically guilty either, does it?

I've seen/heard several statements today that an accusal alone is proof positive--just because we all know it happens. Unfortunately that ain't so. "Victims" make it up some of the time--and/or substitutes who is the perpetrator for one reason or another--and the one who has now become their victim deserves justice too.

Originally Posted by DeeZire

Obviously, the he-said she-said scenario is open to conjecture. However, the tactic of discrediting the victim is the standard defense used by a rapist. "She was dressed provacatively" (at age nine?)

The only victim I see here is Mackenzie. Is her dad even still alive? Does it matter? This is her story. To piss on her for telling it seems a bit judgmental to me.

In my life, I have come across several victims of incest. I know of a woman who bore two of her father's children at age 12 and 14. He eventually got locked up. One of her children is relatively okay, the other had a cleft pallet and serious food allergies, and upon adulthood spent time in and out of mental institutions. The fact that Mackenzie never bore any of her father's children doesn't mean she didn't endure the incest.

I just think it's really sad to see a woman ridiculed when she tells her story. Don't we have better things to do than brand her with a scarlet letter? (In this case, the letter "L" for liar.)

It is a difficult situation. Don't believe the victim and you are further victimising the abusee further. Do believe them and you maybe convict an innocent man. It's tricky.

I personally know someone who was pressured by another relative to accuse someone who had died of sexual molestation. It was due to family politics and the victim was reduced to doing it in order to get medical treatment. It's not always clear cut.