Watch him be labeled a racist

[SeaCat]

Grand Papa had a gun and defended himself. That's fine as far as it goes. Now watch him get called to task for his final comments.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ion.html?imw=Y

Cat

[voluptuary_manque]

Originally Posted by SeaCat

Grand Papa had a gun and defended himself. That's fine as far as it goes. Now watch him get called to task for his final comments.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ion.html?imw=Y

Cat

Nah, he was misquoted. "Those guys" means burglars, that's all.

[Safe_Bet]

Originally Posted by voluptuary_manque

Nah, he was misquoted. "Those guys" means burglars, that's all.

"I don't tolerate them."

Yup. no doubt he was referring to "them" burglers... as long as "them" are Hispanics!

P.S. Do you think SeaCat that maybe him being called a racist might just have a tiny little basis in fact???

[voluptuary_manque]

Originally Posted by Safe_Bet

Yup. no doubt he was referring to "them" burglers... as long as "them" are Hispanics!

P.S. Do you think SeaCat that maybe him being called a racist might just have a tiny little basis in fact???

Even in Florida punks come in all colors and backgrounds. You ought to look at where I am. Angels and Devils of all sorts abound. Of course, back in SD Co, you had the same situation.

[Boxlicker101]

He definitely will be called a racist by some, apparently including Safe Bet. But not by me. I must admit, he may have been referring to Hispanics, but there were no racial slurs used. (I'm assuming he was correctly quoted) As far as I can see, he was referring to burglars as "these guys." I believe in innocent until proven guilty, or the benefit of the doubt.

[3113]

Originally Posted by SeaCat

Grand Papa had a gun and defended himself. That's fine as far as it goes. Now watch him get called to task for his final comments.

So what if he is? I actually find it more interesting, SeaCat that you are angry over the "possibility" that this man "might" be called a racist for that comment. It hasn't happened yet, has it? It wasn't part of the news. And, again, so what it if does?

Remember the other article you posted on the unquestionably racist girl at school who shouted at that other for not standing for the pledge? There are people who can rightfully be called racist. But we here also know (or should know) that there are also those who call someone a racist when they are not being racist. Welcome to the human race, where name calling exists from childhood till the old folks home. Sometimes justified, sometimes not. "Commie!" "Racist!" "Fag!" we have so many names to call someone--and for the slightest reason. Your boy won't play football? He's a fag. A friend was arrested by the police? The cops are racist. The President wants healthcare? He's a commie. This is the way it was and likely will always be.

So your comment tells me nothing new about people, but it does reveal something about you: That being called a racist is a hot-button issue with you, one you always take very personally. You don't post articles on little boys who get called fags, or presidents who get called communists. You primarily post stories about someone (always white) protecting themselves with a gun from an always non-white robber who gets called racist or who you're sure will get called racist.

Why are these the only stories you take so much to heart? And if they get you so hot under the collar, why not write a story yourself about it and try to stop banging your head against a wall over the issue? Because I have an awful truth to tell you--it's not going to stop. Not ever. If they're not calling the old man racist, they'll call him a communist, a fag or unpatriotic. And if you give us a thousand examples of this, a thousand little old men shooting big bad robbers and then get called a racist...what will it prove? To us, or to you? Do you just need to rant every time it happens, or is there a more important point to you sanity and well being in posting such things?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

3113 is a geldering harridan.

[TE999]

Originally Posted by SeaCat

Grand Papa had a gun and defended himself. That's fine as far as it goes. Now watch him get called to task for his final comments.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localne...ion.html?imw=Y

Cat

Given the course of past incidents such as this one, it wouldn't come as a shock.

[Stella_Omega]

Okay, he defended his home against a Hispanic burglar. That makes him righteous.

Then he (according to you, Cat,) characterized all Hispanics as burglars.

That makes him racist.

His racism doesn't make him a bad person -- unless of course he has a gun in his hand you are walking past his house with brown skin on.

But I know how often YOU get called racist in your job because you won't do, or will do, that job-- I can certainly see where your anger is coming from

[R. Richard]

Perhaps someone of great insight cold explain something to me.

The man who defended his home is either racist or not. If he's racist, what race is he against? The burglar was of the Caucasian race. It's not really clear of what race the home defender was. If the home defender was of a different race, then he might be racist. There are three widely recognized races: Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negro. I also recognize two additional races: Amerind and Bushman. If the home defender was Mongoloid, Negro, Amerind or Bushman, or a mixture including at least some/one of the race(s) listed and Caucasian, how did you determine the racial fact from the story? O'm a bit confused here. TIA.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Stella_Omega

Okay, he defended his home against a Hispanic burglar. That makes him righteous.

Then he (according to you, Cat,) characterized all Hispanics as burglars.

That makes him racist.

His racism doesn't make him a bad person -- unless of course he has a gun in his hand you are walking past his house with brown skin on.

But I know how often YOU get called racist in your job because you won't do, or will do, that job-- I can certainly see where your anger is coming from

But, he didn't characterize all Hispanics as burglars. He referred to "these guys," assuming he was properly quoted. Does that mean burglars or does it mean Hispanics? In his defense, the burglar will probably try to characterize Grandpa as a racist, although that shouldn't make any difference.

Consider also: What is the ethnicity of Grandpa? It doesn't say, but if he is Hispanic, the claim of racism would be silly.

[sweetsubsarahh]

He called the police first, fired a warning shot, did not injure the burglar, maintained the situation until the cops arrived. No one has anything to complain about.

So what if he actually may be racist? Honestly. Who cares?

You go, gramps.

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by sweetsubsarahh

He called the police first, fired a warning shot, did not injure the burglar, maintained the situation until the cops arrived. No one has anything to complain about.

So what if he actually may be racist? Honestly. Who cares?

You go, gramps.

Nobody should care, because it has nothing to do with anything. However, that is a defense sometimes attempted by Hispanic or Black defendents - that the victim was a racist.

[sweetsubsarahh]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

Nobody should care, because it has nothing to do with anything. However, that is a defense sometimes attempted by Hispanic or Black defendents - that the victim was a racist.

Oh, Box.

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Nobody should care, because it has nothing to do with anything. However, that is a defense sometimes attempted by Hispanic or Black defendents - that the victim was a racist.

Originally Posted by sweetsubsarahh

Oh, Box.

"Oh, Box" what? Even you should bre willing to admit that sometimes that is attempted as a defense.

ETA: It's called obfuscation or confusing the issue or blaming the victim.

[sweetsubsarahh]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Nobody should care, because it has nothing to do with anything. However, that is a defense sometimes attempted by Hispanic or Black defendents - that the victim was a racist.

"Oh, Box" what? Even you should bre willing to admit that sometimes that is attempted as a defense.

ETA: It's called obfuscation or confusing the issue or blaming the victim.

I know what it's called.

I just felt that you missed the point, is all.

[JamesSD]

My skin crawls when I read about dogs like that. I hope it never goes out in public, for fear it will maul and kill a child

[SeaCat]

Originally Posted by 3113

So what if he is? I actually find it more interesting, SeaCat that you are angry over the "possibility" that this man "might" be called a racist for that comment. It hasn't happened yet, has it? It wasn't part of the news. And, again, so what it if does?

Remember the other article you posted on the unquestionably racist girl at school who shouted at that other for not standing for the pledge? There are people who can rightfully be called racist. But we here also know (or should know) that there are also those who call someone a racist when they are not being racist. Welcome to the human race, where name calling exists from childhood till the old folks home. Sometimes justified, sometimes not. "Commie!" "Racist!" "Fag!" we have so many names to call someone--and for the slightest reason. Your boy won't play football? He's a fag. A friend was arrested by the police? The cops are racist. The President wants healthcare? He's a commie. This is the way it was and likely will always be.

So your comment tells me nothing new about people, but it does reveal something about you: That being called a racist is a hot-button issue with you, one you always take very personally. You don't post articles on little boys who get called fags, or presidents who get called communists. You primarily post stories about someone (always white) protecting themselves with a gun from an always non-white robber who gets called racist or who you're sure will get called racist.

Why are these the only stories you take so much to heart? And if they get you so hot under the collar, why not write a story yourself about it and try to stop banging your head against a wall over the issue? Because I have an awful truth to tell you--it's not going to stop. Not ever. If they're not calling the old man racist, they'll call him a communist, a fag or unpatriotic. And if you give us a thousand examples of this, a thousand little old men shooting big bad robbers and then get called a racist...what will it prove? To us, or to you? Do you just need to rant every time it happens, or is there a more important point to you sanity and well being in posting such things?

Do you remember the follow up articles I posted about the same young woman, the ones that pointed out she was doing this to further her own goals? Her own hatreds?

Do you remember the article I posted about another home owner who shot and killed an armed intruder in his house and was instantly labeled a racist because the kid was black? Then it turned out the homeowner was black as well?

Yes Racism is a bit of a hot button issue with me but probably not for the reasons you happen to think. I deplore the usage of the name or phrase as an excuse or defense of someones actions.

As for someone calling me a racist I just laugh and feel sorry for the person trying to label me as a racist.

I also have other Hot Button Topics. They too are often used as an excuse for someones actions. (And yes I have been castigated on this board for my stands on some of them.)

You see I have also posted threads here about such things as "The Dunbar Rape". (Which was national news about a year ago.)

I have posted threads here about drunk driving. Homelessness. Motorcycles and Motorcycle Accidents. Gender Bias. Health Care and it's abuses. Marriage. Death. In other words I'll post about anything I feel strongly about.

Cat

[AngeloMichael]

Originally Posted by SeaCat

I have posted threads here about drunk driving. Homelessness. Motorcycles and Motorcycle Accidents. Gender Bias. Health Care and it's abuses. Marriage. Death. In other words I'll post about anything I feel strongly about.

Cat

I just hope you have saved all your posts or can retrieve them through Lit, I always love reading them.

I was telling a friend of mine about the one where you put your DVD out with a sign that said "free" and no one took it, then when you decided to put a price on it, it disappeared. He laughed non stop for about 5 minutes.

Your anecdotes remind me a lot of a book I read about 15 years ago, "All I Needed To Know I Learned In Kindergarten". It was a huge bestseller. I really think you've got a hit on your hands too, Cat and it's all ready written! Just compile your posts into a manuscript and submit it to a publisher, I really think you would be set for life.